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Mod note excerpted from previous thread:
Update of the thread:
Gates has pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI and conspiracy to defraud the United States. The lying to the FBI charge is because Gates lied to the FBI earlier this month about a 2013 meeting with a congressman. The conspiracy charge is with respect to Gates and Manafort conspiring to the following: tax fraud/money laundering, failing to register as a foreign agent, and lying to the FBI and DOJ. It incorporates 9 charges from the original indictment and a bunch of relevant information, discussed later in the thread. Gates agreed to cooperate fully with the investigation.
Here is the guilty plea agreement - 57 to 71 months
Here is the statement of the offense
Here is the information.
Several hours after Gates pleaded guilty, Mueller released a new superceding indictment against Manafort. It alleged that Manafort:
notes:
Last thread's big items:
Major events so far:
"Now, there is no allegation in this indictment that any American was a knowing participant in this illegal activity. There is no allegation in the indictment that the charged conduct altered the outcome of the 2016 election."
Previous thread
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/b...an-burgers-russia-investigation-v-13.3712727/
Mod note: Please post in here with regards to the subject at hand. Any general chat can go in the WR OT thread.
Just to be clear, going forward, these type of posts also count of derailing:
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Stop doing these. This isn't some game of getting each other reply bans and infractions. Just stay on topic, report when needed. We have the WR OT for posts like the ones above but they have no place in a normal thread.
Just to be clear, going forward, these type of posts also count of derailing:
1. Talking about how the thread is derailed/ how mods should handle a situation (report and continue on topic discussions)
2. Joking about posters who are reply banned from the thread
3. Posts with only flaming that do not have any other information about the topic
4. A reply to any of the above
Stop doing these. This isn't some game of getting each other reply bans and infractions. Just stay on topic, report when needed. We have the WR OT for posts like the ones above but they have no place in a normal thread.
Update of the thread:
Gates has pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI and conspiracy to defraud the United States. The lying to the FBI charge is because Gates lied to the FBI earlier this month about a 2013 meeting with a congressman. The conspiracy charge is with respect to Gates and Manafort conspiring to the following: tax fraud/money laundering, failing to register as a foreign agent, and lying to the FBI and DOJ. It incorporates 9 charges from the original indictment and a bunch of relevant information, discussed later in the thread. Gates agreed to cooperate fully with the investigation.
Here is the guilty plea agreement - 57 to 71 months
Here is the statement of the offense
Here is the information.
Several hours after Gates pleaded guilty, Mueller released a new superceding indictment against Manafort. It alleged that Manafort:
- illegally lobbied on behalf of Yanukovych, the Party of Regions, and the government of Ukraine from 2006 until 2014 without registering under FARA
- contracted with two firms, including the Podesta group, in 2012 to conduct specific lobbying operations and mislead them into believing that they did not have to register under FARA (see pgs 15-17)
- concealed the income received in connection with the lobbying
- contracted Skadden to write reports favorable to Ukraine, and a third lobbying group to assist - specifically with respect to Tymeshenko's imprisonment
- secretly paid former senior European politicians more than 2 million euros to support Ukraine in various ways, including lobbying in the United States. (pages 20-21). One was a former chancellor, not yet identified (guesses are Gusenbauer, Helmut Scmidt, or Gerhard Schroeder
notes:
The indictment and plea do not discuss Russia, (except insofar as the Ukrainian government was closely tied to and supported by the Russian government).
That said, this episode is useful to point out that indictments are not an exclusive statement of all criminal activity, and plea agreements are even less so. That someone has only pleaded to one crime does not establish that only one crime was committed.
That said, this episode is useful to point out that indictments are not an exclusive statement of all criminal activity, and plea agreements are even less so. That someone has only pleaded to one crime does not establish that only one crime was committed.
Last thread's big items:
Robert Mueller indicted 13 Russian nationals on charges of conspiracy to defraud the United States, wire fraud, bank fraud, and identity theft, in connection with their interference in national elections. One of the operations ran to a cost of more than 73 million rubles (1.25 million USD) per month. Full text: https://www.politico.com/story/2018...er-indictment-on-russian-election-case-415670
A US citizen also pleaded guilty to knowingly aiding them.
https://www.justice.gov/file/1035547/download
Mueller filed a superceding indictment alleging new claims v. Gates and Manafort. 23 new claims v. Gates, 13 v. Manafort.
http://thehill.com/policy/national-...-files-new-charges-against-manafort-and-gates
A US citizen also pleaded guilty to knowingly aiding them.
https://www.justice.gov/file/1035547/download
Mueller filed a superceding indictment alleging new claims v. Gates and Manafort. 23 new claims v. Gates, 13 v. Manafort.
http://thehill.com/policy/national-...-files-new-charges-against-manafort-and-gates
Major events so far:
- Manafort, Trump's campaign manager and transition committee member on eleven counts arising from misconduct reaching into 2017 related to payments received through 2014 from the pro-russia faction of Ukraine's pre-war government. He has pleaded not guilty. The indictment has since been expanded by 13 claims. Manafort is currently confined to house arrest due to bank and tax fraud uncovered when he tried to secure his bond.
- Gates has pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI and conspiring (with Manafort) to commiting tax fraud, failing to register as a foreign agent, and lying to the FBI
- George Papadopolous pleaded guilty to lying to federal investigators in 2017 about activities occuring 2016-17. Admits to meeting with various Russian officials regarding setting up meetings and "dirt" on Hillary while acting on behalf of the Trump campaign, something he previously denied.
- Mike Flynn, Trump's National Security Advisor, has also pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI with respect to several meetings that he had with the Russian ambassador. Flynn was allegedly involved in other business involving Turkey, but has not yet been charged with respect to that behavior.
- Steve Bannon was interviewed for roughly 20 hours by Mueller's team. Bannon has refused to answer congressional inquiries
- Sessions was privately interviewed by Mueller's team. Sessions is currently head of the DoJ.
- 13 Russian indictment for activity starting in 2014 and continuing through 2017. US citizen pleaded guilty for agreeing to help them.
- An attorney linked to Manafort, Gates, and a Russian oligarch has pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI
No. He said there was nothing about that in the indictment. There has already been a guilty plea with respect to at least one American outside of the Trump campaign, and at least one trump campaign staffer admitted to meeting with representatives of the russian government in his guilty plea and information, and lying about it.Rosenstein said that it had no effect, and that no american citizens were knowingly involved!
"Now, there is no allegation in this indictment that any American was a knowing participant in this illegal activity. There is no allegation in the indictment that the charged conduct altered the outcome of the 2016 election."
Wrong. Read the indictment.They were just shitposting/trolling lol
The office of special counsel is a separate section. The FBI has literally thousands of employees and lots of different offices and departmentsThe FBI is wasting money on this, but dropping the ball on other things?
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