Conor's PPV success is not a result of his "hard work", he shouldn't be praised for it like he is

It's more than that. It's the market of hype. It should so happened Conor could capitalize on the hype. All hype trains come to an end. All of them. Then the only thing left is talent to back up the hype.

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Hi-Tech said:
Dominick Cruz made a very important point about Conor:

"You got to play the cards the way they are given and I wasn't given the same cards as him, so I have to use what I've been given to grow with that. You shouldn't model yourself after him, you should be yourself and just understand that you can't choose who goes viral or who becomes a superstar--that's out of our control,"

http://www.flocombat.com/article/47...onor-mcgregor-at-featherweight-or-lightweight

Conor selling that many PPVs is a product of his work or whatever. He is just lucky that his personality got viral.

It's like those YouTube videos that suddenly get millions of views or some music videos that go viral like that Korean thing Gangnam Style years ago. There is no scientific formula or any special talent behind it, you can never know for certain what will be popular and how people will react to it. Popularity is in most cases mostly due to luck and circumstances you can't control, especially this day and age with the internet and complete cretinization of society.

If you look at it objectively:

Is Conor the best MMA fighter? No. Is Conor the most exciting MMA fighter? No. Is Conor the most intelligent, the most good looking fighter or whatever? No.

So why exactly is he the biggest draw? Because of combination of lucky circumstances, being at the right place at the right time and most importantly the random unpredictable stupidity of the masses that buy these PPVs and are on his hypetrain, the vast majority of them being casual MMA fans without sufficient knowledge about the sport or aren't even MMA fans at all. It's nothing to be particularly proud of and it's shouldn't count as some sort of MMA-related achievement.

It's ridiculous how Conor fans always insult MMA or boxing legends and other decent fighters by saying they're "bums" and inferior to Conor because they don't sell as much as Conor as if Conor's "achievement" of selling a lot of PPVs outweighs the real hard work and great performances in the ring/octagon that those fighters had. And those people claim to be fans of the sport?

There is no special achievement in Conor selling that many PPVs. It's about as great of an achievement as posting a random stupid video on YouTube that somehow gets millions of views. There isn't any "hard work" behind it. It's not like Conor went in MMA working hard on some scientific plan how to sell the PPVs, he was just being the obnoxious loudmouth that he is with his accent and hipster tattoos and for whatever reason the retarded stupid public liked that.

On the other hand you have great fighters (including fighters who are better and more established than Conor) who sell around 300k PPVs or even less because for whatever reason that is beyond their control they didn't get viral. People are stupid like Mousasi said. The PPV sales are obviously not reflecting the actual abilities of a fighter so why do some people constantly bring them up here?


tldr: Conor going viral and selling PPVs is not an achievement that is product of any "hard work", it's about as much of an achievement as posting a stupid YouTube video that somehow gets millions of views. People are stupid and unpredictable and whether a fighter gets viral or not is out of his control. Some get lucky and some don't. Conor is lucky because the stupid retarded public happens to like his personality. It's has nothing to do with MMA
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Dominick Cruz Happy to Face Conor McGregor at Featherweight or ..... Lightweight ???
 
It's not "nothing", it's mostly the fact that he's Irish. Irish have always been fight fans and Conor is the only MMA guy for them to root for.
 
What a crock of fucking shit.

He came into the UFC with a little bit of hype, proceeded to beat everyone who got put in front of him and do so in exciting fashion and also used his mouth and personality to make him into the biggest star in mma.

There's literally nothing lucky about it, he's just obviously got a lot more between the ears than the majority of the retards on this forum.
 
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KORMAN said:
I'd say it's his willingness to say the things he says, and putting himself in, "egg all over your face" situations, which is why he commnads the biggest dollars.

Also, for example, look at him during those big press conferences, hes not scares to piss off all the other fighters, and he says things with a certain conviction that all other athletes won't.

It's the fact that he's not scared to alienate himself to all the fans, and fighters that people get a sense of, and really receive him well for that.

Think about how many times we've said, if Jones embraced the heel role, hed have way more fans. Conor embraces whatever it is hes trying to portray, and fans love that. Hes one of those, wears his emotions on his sleeves type of fighters which is what people love about him. Same with the Diaz bros.
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So you're saying he's popular because he has no issues acting like an idiot and stupid people live vicariously through him and his antics derived from said idiocy? Okay. I would also say him being white helps a lot. If a black athlete acted like him, he'd be hated forever. I do find it funny a lot of white people started to suddenly become 'irish' once Connie got popular, lol.
 
well dear ts you seem to be a much bigger hater of irish jabroni than me... i salute that.

now, according to your post, he is a very popular guy mostly because of his antics and shittalk that most opponents can't counter because they are not prepared for that, excepting nate of course. the core issue here is how a guy who has limitations in his skillset has so much success in a niche sport like mma??

Simple: he played the classical shittalk card like uncle shale did and he started to koing people obviously playing with his opponent mind helps too (look at aldo). that and with some good publicity, a favorable matchmaking can make anyone a god. his ppv sucess is a product od the ufc promoting him a the next mma god bigger than andy silva, gsp, bj penn and others.

the key in a ppv draw is giving the fans a reason to buy that: mcG's nuthuggers to see him win and his haters to see him lose, unfortunately the ufc has a tendency to favor the current cash cow tha give them money. it happen to ronda and the same with irish jabroni but it's more blatant biased for him.
 
Substance Abuse said:
Conor appeals to the casual blowhards who don't know their MMA ass from an MMA hole in the ground. They eat this generic, copy and paste bullshit up that is regurgitated over and over and over again despite the prior result, further aided by selective amnesia and derp level catch phrases. They only like KOs and still think grappling is boring; even 'gay' sometimes. Some of them wear jean shorts; some have neck beards; some still live at home; some still live in basements.

That's about 90% of Connie's fan base.

Then there are people who just like to watch him fight because he brings excitement. That's about 5% of them.

The other 5%... Just hanger-ons.
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Substance Abuse said:
So you're saying he's popular because he has no issues acting like an idiot and stupid people live vicariously through him and his antics derived from said idiocy? Okay. I would also say him being white helps a lot. If a black athlete acted like him, he'd be hated forever. I do find it funny a lot of white people started to suddenly become 'irish' once Connie got popular, lol.
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Yes, and yes. We'd be lying if we said a black fighter could do the same thing, and be as beloved as him. Maybe, they'd make similar waves, and similar numbers, but nowhere near as beloved as Conor. Conors fans don't just like him, they love him on a religious level. It's pretty creepy.

They're far worse than Flomos, Pactards, or Kobetards.
 
nostradumbass said:
It's not "nothing", it's mostly the fact that he's Irish. Irish have always been fight fans and Conor is the only MMA guy for them to root for.
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Alright, it's definitely also because he's Irish, no doubt. But that's part of the point I'm making, he didn't choose to be Irish, it's one of the things that were beyond his control.

The thing is that Conor and his fans act like all other MMA fighters are somehow "stupid" because they "can't sell fights", ignoring the fact that "selling fights" is mostly about things that aren't in your control. You can do everything right as a fighter, you could theoretically even hire some specialists to help you create some sort of popular persona but there is no certain path to success, you can't just become viral. There has to be a lot of luck and circumstances that are beyond your control. If it was so easy to create some viral popular product the UFC would instruct their fighters how to do it long ago.
 
Substance Abuse said:
Conor appeals to the casual blowhards who don't know their MMA ass from an MMA hole in the ground. They eat this generic, copy and paste bullshit up that is regurgitated over and over and over again despite the prior result, further aided by selective amnesia and derp level catch phrases. They only like KOs and still think grappling is boring; even 'gay' sometimes. Some of them wear jean shorts; some have neck beards; some still live at home; some still live in basements.

That's about 90% of Connie's fan base.

Then there are people who just like to watch him fight because he brings excitement. That's about 5% of them.

The other 5%... Just hanger-ons.
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unfortunately, that's the demographic uncle dana and ari wants to milk money. and if irish jabroni keeps talking they will have a big draw.
 
You haters try tho. I'll give you that.
 
Hi-Tech said:
Alright, it's definitely also because he's Irish, no doubt. But that's part of the point I'm making, he didn't choose to be Irish, it's one of the things that were beyond his control.

The thing is that Conor and his fans act like all other MMA fighters are somehow "stupid" because they "can't sell fights", ignoring the fact that "selling fights" is mostly about things that aren't in your control. You can do everything right as a fighter, you could theoretically even hire some specialists to help you create some sort of popular persona but there is no certain path to success, you can't just become viral. There has to be a lot of luck and circumstances that are beyond your control. If it was so easy to create some viral popular product the UFC would instruct their fighters how to do it long ago.
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yeah pretty much.

andy silva and gsp (specially gsp in canada) were big draws, the thing is they didn't play demagogy and shit talk to sell ppvs.
 
ColombianFist said:
unfortunately, that's the demographic uncle dana and ari wants to milk money. and if irish jabroni keeps talking they will have a big draw.
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And Uncle Dana and Ari Gold know that the casuals have money and are easily swept up in hype trains and galvanized by what the 'hot' thing is. They're not stupid. They know what they're doing. They're prop Conor up on a stick and let him dance his dance without pulling any strings while people lop this shit up like crack cocaine.

Hey, I don't like Conor, but he's fun to watch fight and definitely entertaining. He's incredibly popular. And despite my friends who do watch MMA, when we need more money to have bigger PPV nights, it's always easier to find someone when Connie is fighting, lol.
 
MEATAXE** said:
What a crock of fucking shit.

He came into the UFC with a little bit of hype, proceeded to beat everyone who got put in front of and do so in exciting fashion and also used his mouth and personality to make him into the biggest star in mma.

There's literally nothing lucky about it.
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Jon Jones beat people in even more impressive fashion, was younger when he did it and actually became a consensus MMA ATG.

Yet his personality simply wasn't liked due to circumstances he couldn't control - I mean in during the time before his problems and his bad side was revealed. Then when his problems outside the cage came out he didn't become popular or a draw either while for example Mike Tyson boosted his popularity (drawing power) with all the shit he did. The public that buys the PPVs is unpredictable, you can't possibly know how to become viral.
 
Dominick the Decisionator is saying it.

Case dismissed.
 
ColombianFist said:
yeah pretty much.

andy silva and gsp (specially gsp in canada) were big draws, the thing is they didn't play demagogy and shit talk to sell ppvs.
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Think about it, Andy hit high level PPV buys without talking mad shit. I think Anderson really truly had the IN FIGHT 'IT FACTOR', where everyone knew when Andy fought some crazy shit was going to happen. Some casuals would buy in, but a lot of the time, hardcore fans would pony up to see some amazing shit happen.

I don't care what anyone says about Andy, his run, his competition or those tests, no one will ever finish fighters in spectacular fashion like he did so consistently and at this level. It's still fucking mind boggling. I wish people appreciated Andy more.
 
Substance Abuse said:
And Uncle Dana and Ari Gold know that the casuals have money and are easily swept up in hype trains and galvanized by what the 'hot' thing is. They're not stupid. They know what they're doing. They're prop Conor up on a stick and let him dance his dance without pulling any strings while people lop this shit up like crack cocaine.

Hey, I don't like Conor, but he's fun to watch fight and definitely entertaining. He's incredibly popular. And despite my friends who do watch MMA, when we need more money to have bigger PPV nights, it's always easier to find someone when Connie is fighting, lol.
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i agree.

i don't like him either, but i think he is a great fighter but he had luck in his matches (in FW).

however, this mcG circus he uncle dana and ari are keeping it just makes mma more niche that what it is right now.
 
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