Discussion in 'UFC Discussion' started by Bubba32, Feb 13, 2018.
Meh... He only fought the tough guys when there was nothing to lose and everything to gain, which is why he refuses to defend or give guys a proper rematch.
k im done
Are you that stupid?
I didn't call him a coward, but he is obviously not a hero either.
he picked those fights because if he didn't fight, he didn't get paid. Simple as that.
So he picked an opponent he thought would offer less risk (since there was no reward... which is untrue since they gave him a paper belt in the case of Mendes).
But it is fairly obvious he didn't go for the hard matches like Frankie or Cowboy & Khabib, both guys who openly called him out and amazingly a guy with so many words... he stfu and picked Diaz instead.
I don't hate him for that. It made perfect business sense. But you lauding him a hero? I mean how can you be so naive?
Wtf are you on about? How was Cerrone a more dangerous opponent? A guy known to have a weakness for precise boxers? Also I never called him a hero, thats on you.
He's not obliged to take the toughest possible match-up at two weeks notice. Nobody is giving shit to Tony Ferguson for not fighting MJ on short notice, yet Conor is expected to pick the most dangerous guy possible in two weeks notice. Pleaseeee.
Why doesn't he go flip burgers at McDonalds while he's at it?
Hey look another Conor thread
IF he comes back and makes several quality title defenses ... MAYBE. If he continues to sit on his belt while occasionally tossing out Twitter insults, then no. He will be remembered as an anomaly. A strange blip on the radar that popped up one day, did something odd, and then disappeared. Like many of the PRIDE era freakshow fights, he'll be remembered as a curiosity. The memory of his actual talent will be lost in his fear of losing a belt. He currently has more in common with Donald Trump than he does with a professional fighter.
He beat Aldo pretty impressively. He also had a series of favorable matchups on his way to that fight. Those matchups aren't his fault. As someone else said, it was the UFC protecting him, but it doesn't change the fact that he got several very favorable matchups to get there in the first place. The way he beat Aldo, a lot of fans (myself included) would be 100% willing to look past the weak match-ups - but then he log jammed the division. He followed that up by log jamming a second division and then left the sport entirely when there were no more favorable match ups. Conor isn't calling out weaker fighters because he doesn;t have to. As soon as one is available, the UFC will give it to him. Assuming he does actually fight again. Which he probably won't. I can't blame him, but at the same time, he's nowhere near GOAT status.
Cutting weight is half the battle of a weight cut. The other half is rehydrating to a point where you have enough energy back to be efficient and to make the cut worthwhile. He coudln't do that
without an IV, so 'moved up'. Oh, and dodging the IV test for the Aldo fight was merely a case of changing the material the IV is made of. It wasn't hard back then. Bringing in 'a new team' helps.
5 foot 9 is average for FW? Maybe the newest crop are starting to get taller, but the Mendes, Edgar, Aldo, Swanson generation were all 5'7" and under when Conor was fighting in that division.
Ironic then that you talk about revisionist history. WIth regards to Alvarez, most 'educated' fans knew Alvarez wasn't the hype train he was being built up tp be. Deconstructing Alvarez' skill set
showed that he was a good all rounder, with no exceptional skills, unlike most long term champs. Alvarez was only blown into something he wasn't by Conor haters and nuthuggers, basically the uneducated at the outside of the spectrum.
TS comparison on Tyrone and Conor becomes irrelevant when his title is "Conor never asked for easy fights'. That's what I deconstructed.
He didn't have to ask, they were gifted to him
Since Tyron doesn't get money fights without risk, he avoids risk with his gameplan. I am pretty sure if he had fought Bisping for mw belt or nate Diaz, it would be pretty exciting
that was a response to you, theres no need to cry
Only weak ass fight Conor accepted was Dennis Siver. That was his fight to get Aldo. That fight was fucking Bullox. How can you get a not even get a top 10 or THE number 10 ranked fighter just to fight for the title. Bullshit
You can say the same about taking on everyone in, Jon Jones. Jones took every fight BUT Chael on short notice to replace Hendo. He later went on to finish Chael in the first round
He needed to fight Mendes and Aldo to become a champion in the first place idiot.
If he didn't become champion his entire schick goes right out the window lol
Hold on. What was the state of the FW division like before Conor fought in it? It was okay. You could've done a rematch with Mendes and Edgar, but outside of that, there wasn't really any fresh opponents. Conor had fought mainly at 145 before getting in to the UFC, so I would imagine their thinking was to bring him in, see what happened and if they felt there was someone to be a foil to Aldo, he was it.
I know he brought in Lockhart. He started working with him 3 weeks out from the fight. Lockhart is very good at what he does, but he didn't bring in a team, he brought in Lockhart who has various people who work with other fighters on weight cutting and other dietary related things.
I just asked how you knew he was using an IV before every fight and your response was that he brought in a team/Lockhart for the Mendes fight. I think fighting at 145 for Conor is more of a hindrance on his performance, so if he's dealing with injuries and starving himself to make weight, if it happened again before the Aldo fight it makes sense to bring a specialist in.
When the IV ban came into effect, there was conflicting comments by the 'experts' some who said it was better to take fluids on orally, while others said the opposite. I don't think it was quite the code red situation you made it out to be - it looked like Conor had trouble getting the weight off because of his knee - and if Lockhart and Kavanagh are telling the truth; Lockhart was hired 3 weeks from the fight, it was over text messaging as Conor did most of his training in Ireland and Kavanagh talked about how he was essentially Googling how to cut weight at one point.
I'm pretty sure the IV has nothing to do with that. It's the water on a fighter's brain being sucked out of them and the IV puts the fluid back in quicker - but that's the debate the folk were having - in that the IV getting fluid to the brain quicker doesn't mean it's better and that rehydrating orally is slower but safer.
He asked for Nate who is a gatekeeper though....
As a “fan of fighting” you seem pretty content with him not fighting and how exciting he is outside the cage. Shouldn’t a fight fan want to see him fight?
Yeah he’s exciting as a fighter, when he’s actually fighting.
We already know that
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