Common defense of Jon Jones "Performance Enhancing drugs don't affect performance"

NorrisB said:
"Performance Enhancing drugs don't affect performance"

Is the template, usually masked in some varient, lets take at some examples:



This person is basically arguing that Jon's head kick performance isn't affected by performance enhancing drugs. Which is retarded because:

1. Jon's leg has muscles in it and use them to deliver a kick, steroids make people stronger.

2. PEDs allow people to train more and harder, which allows for more leg kicks

Lets take a look at a more obvious case



"PED's don't make you have skill" "PEDs didn't help Jon land that kick" etc. Are basically reworded versions of "Performance Enhancing Drugs don't affect performance" which is the most retarded idiotic comment that is posted over and over in different forms. This post is even more idiotic than the kick one, skill definition is "an ability to do something well", how does Performance Enhancing drugs not help someones ability to do well? It means exactly what "Performance Enhancing drugs don't affect performance" means.
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20falarVerdades said:
No, he cuts that much weight weight to have an advantage. Jones is usually 215 lbs during fight week, DC is 20lbs heavier than him in cage.

BJM said himself that weight cutting is a bigger problem and more dangerous than PEDs

https://mmajunkie.com/2017/04/big-john-mccarthy-says-weight-cutting-more-dangerous-than-peds-in-mma

Even DC acknowledges that Jon Jones beat him fair square. These are all facts
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Fight week weight is always much lower than actual fight weight you moron.
 
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paynebringer said:
Peds allow you to work on technique? That's quite a stretch a fighter works on his technique not a ped in the world gonna give you better technique...
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Training (aka developping your techniques, learning new shits, doing more repetition of the the same move) for 6 hours a day instead of 4 hours a day does give you better technique. PEDs allows you to put more time in training. Get it now, or you need a picture?
 
ThunderStruck said:
Training (aka developping your techniques, learning new shits, doing more repetition of the the same move) for 6 hours a day instead of 4 hours a day does give you better technique. PEDs allows you to put more time in training. Get it now, or you need a picture?
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Why don't you go hit your crayon box and go work on a picture for me....
 
ThatGuy7698 said:
<Huh2>

PEDs allow you to recover faster, which allows you to train harder, which allows you to work on technique more than the other guy.

It's not difficult to understand, at all.
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Exactly this, Thank you. It really should be easy to understand
 
steny said:
This sums it up.
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arod signed a for 300 million and when he was suspended he lost 25 million but still kept 275 that why people do it.

dee Gordon signed a contract for 50 miion than popped for peds but he still keeps the 50 million.

in mlb itshows it worth ti to take peds.
 
Yeah Jones and Anderson are out of goat talks. I'm a big Jones fan too, it sucks.
 
NorrisB said:
"Performance Enhancing drugs don't affect performance"

Is the template, usually masked in some varient, lets take at some examples:



This person is basically arguing that Jon's head kick performance isn't affected by performance enhancing drugs. Which is retarded because:

1. Jon's leg has muscles in it and use them to deliver a kick, steroids make people stronger.

2. PEDs allow people to train more and harder, which allows for more leg kicks

Lets take a look at a more obvious case



"PED's don't make you have skill" "PEDs didn't help Jon land that kick" etc. Are basically reworded versions of "Performance Enhancing Drugs don't affect performance" which is the most retarded idiotic comment that is posted over and over in different forms. This post is even more idiotic than the kick one, skill definition is "an ability to do something well", how does Performance Enhancing drugs not help someones ability to do well? It means exactly what "Performance Enhancing drugs don't affect performance" means.
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Facts. Norris. Don't try to argue with haters. They are hypocrites who will consider the truth you advocate as hate because they actually hate the truth.

Jon Jones is a PED using cheat. This is a fact. Aside from the obvious recovery and training unfair advantages that PEDs provide to an athlete, using PEDs in professional MMA however has the significant effect of allowing a trained MMA fighter to reach near super human levels when it comes to combat. Each strike by a PED using professionally trained MMA fighter is akin to that of a weapon being used against an unarmed opponent. Jon PED Jones is a criminal inside the sport. He is rightfully outed and will be banned from MMA, thanks to USADA.

This physical ban is nothing compared to the self-induced destruction of his MMA image and personality that he brought upon himself by being a repeat offending PED using coward. These are facts and cheaters never prosper.
 
the 2 retards in your examples <45><45><45><45><45>
 
I don't believe Jones took PEDs to become a better fighter, he took it for shits and giggles.

#forthelulz
 
dimspace said:
Are you not grasping the concept that ped's allow you to recover quicker and therefore train harder and more frequently.

and what happens if you are able to train harder and more frequently? you will have more time to spend on technique and so then all things being equal your technique will develop and improve quicker than someone who is not able to recover as quickly or train as hard.

its a really fucking simple concept.
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Shertard apologists still active in this thread.
 
ThatGuy7698 said:
<Huh2>

PEDs allow you to recover faster, which allows you to train harder, which allows you to work on technique more than the other guy.

It's not difficult to understand, at all.
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Since you are claiming the PEDs JJ took aid in recovery then they only allow him to train more frequently, not harder. You now also need to show that DC trained less frequently than JJ due to physical recovery and not mental determination issues. JJ taking PEDs doesn’t force DC to go to Popeyes and not train as hard as JJ.
 
paynebringer said:
I'm surprised we don't have a whole slew of killers in the UFC with the amount guys beating the system. I guess it's the man taking the sh!t than the sh!t itself peds aren't magic the work, skill, training, are factors too.
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Agreed. This is getting strange Payne but I actually agree with you. If you are ok, steroids will make you good. If you are good, steroids can make you great.... however, in jon's case, if you are great, what do the PED's do for you? They make you seem otherworldly and this is why I can't stand cheaters. Let's see what a "great" jones can do without the juice. Sadly, as I mentioned to you before the second Cormier fight, even with all of the world watching, the guy does not have the confidence in himself to show up clean.
 
dimspace said:
so are you saying that two people with equal base physiology and natural ability

one trains once a day, five days a week

the other takes ped's allowing him to train twice a day, six days a week

are you seriously suggesting that they will develop at the same rate and their technique will improve at the same rate?





now obviously all is never equal. people do not have the same base physiology or natural ability, there will always be outliers, but you have to be fairly severely handicapped to not accept that more time spent training equals more potential to improve
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What’s stopping both from training equal amounts per day and same number of days per week? How do you know Jones trained more frequently and more days than his opponents or DC?
 
NorrisB said:
"Performance Enhancing drugs don't affect performance"

Is the template, usually masked in some varient, lets take at some examples:


This person is basically arguing that Jon's head kick performance isn't affected by performance enhancing drugs. Which is retarded because:

1. Jon's leg has muscles in it and use them to deliver a kick, steroids make people stronger.

2. PEDs allow people to train more and harder, which allows for more leg kicks

Lets take a look at a more obvious case



"PED's don't make you have skill" "PEDs didn't help Jon land that kick" etc. Are basically reworded versions of "Performance Enhancing Drugs don't affect performance" which is the most retarded idiotic comment that is posted over and over in different forms. This post is even more idiotic than the kick one, skill definition is "an ability to do something well", how does Performance Enhancing drugs not help someones ability to do well? It means exactly what "Performance Enhancing drugs don't affect performance" means.
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His (your quoted person) entire argument relies on that one tbol dose being the only thing he took.

I have taken steroids. They are illegal in America, decently hard to get REAL pharmacy grade shit. Easy as shit to get black market "pharmacy" grade (read, counterfeits). Black market shit could be anything.

The reality is that black market steroids are cut. People sell Teat Enanthate as deca durabolin. They will pretend they are selling anavar, but really they combined dbol and some diuretic. Masteron propinate is expensive, so just cut it with test propinate.


The point is, you have no idea what you are getting without serious lab (LCMS/GCMS) testing of every single sample.

The most likely thing is he probably got tainted halotestin.

At the end of the day he tested positive. We dont need to do these mental gymastics to pretend the outcome was not affected just because he was only caught with a small amount of roids.
 
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