Cleto vs Winning Sparring 16oz Gloves

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  1. Tommyisda1 White Belt

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    Hey guys, I was wonder which pair should I buy. I don't want to spend too much money on a 16oz glove for sparring. I can afford both but any advice on the differences?
    -The Fit of the glove
    -Grip bar
    -Thumb
    -Padding

    BTW I am only getting velcros (i usually train alone).
     
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  2. William Huggins Blue Belt

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    If you usually train alone, who are you sparing with?
     
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  3. j-boxing Human, all too human

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    I've never used Ceto Reyes gloves for sparring or anything else. But I would say it's generally acknowledged that Winning makes the best gloves for sparring.

    Matters become more complicated with bag and mitt training, though, as many seem to find Winning overly soft ("pillow-like") for those purposes and prefer the feedback of Cleto Reyes.
     
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    You don't want to spend too much money but you picked 2 of the most expensive gloves and you can afford both........;)
     
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  5. Tommyisda1 White Belt

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    lol i don't know what i am talking about ;/ I am considering the Loma Rival 16oz gloves.
     
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  6. Kick_@ss_Seabass Blue Belt

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    While the Rival Loma 16oz gloves looks awesome, I doubt they will last as long as Winning or Reyes.
     
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    Get Winning.

    Reyes are over-Reyes-ted.

    Really, though.
     
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    Isn't it good to have a pillow effect on the heavy bag so you don't wear and tear?That's why I prefer Everlast.
     
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    A Friend of mine just gave me his winning 14oz to try them.....I just discovered what true love is lol

    Don't find them to be that pillowy to be honest
     
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    They’re not that pillowy. I don’t know why everyone keeps saying that.
     
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    Hangulmalmotayo or Kick_@ss, how firm are the padding on the Winning boxing gloves?
     
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    Not firm and not soft. Just right. But, my friend only uses then on the bag and pads so the padding probably compressed a bit and this could explain it. He only have them since last Christmas tho.
     
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  13. deh707 Orange Belt

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    The people that still refer to them as pillows are probably just going by when those "pillow" statements were made back in 2005 when HBO talked about Morales and Mayweather's usage of them.

    And/or people that have yet to try them out.

    Or it's just an alternate term to describe how well cushioned they are.

    I don't know. When I think of the words "pillow" and "boxing gloves" being used together, I would just think of a very protective boxing glove.

    People are probably describing the softness of them as being like pillows; which I guess can be true if you just judged the outer layer, which is pretty thick and soft. It's the inner layers that are quite dense.

    And if you compare the pre-2007 model of Winning pro fight gloves (before the knuckle padding was reduced) to your typical mexican "puncher's" pro fight gloves (Reyes/EverlastMX): They are definitely pillowly in comparison.

    The real pillows are Winning's AM series, amateur competition gloves.

    My god, I had a pair of AM in 10oz, and they seem to be bulkier on the knuckles than a 14oz MS standard Winning glove. I did not like them, very boring upon impact and just felt unbalanced. Extremely protective though. It's like a thicker but softer IMF type of glove.

    Fit2Box's review of the 14oz PS (Soft Type) series is spot on to my experience of the 10oz AM series, which look very identical to each other. I'm assuming that they the same but just in different sizes:

     
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    Many people enjoy the "snappier" or "crisper" feedback of harder gloves on the heavy bag and mitts.

    Whether or not Winning gloves sufficiently provide that feedback is, of course, a matter of personal judgement.

    I personally think Winning are great for everything. Most people, I think, would agree they're best for sparring. But it seems many don't think they're best for badwork and mitts. The most common reason for that judgement, as far as I can determine, is that Winning are too "pillow-like".
     
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    I have 12oz and 14oz Velcro Cletos - they call them training gloves . The 14oz pocket is very large which is good if you have knuckle padding or so . They take a while to break in ( like 4 months ) quality is very very good and will perform perfect . The 12oz are much smaller and kind of tight but still very good . I never weighted them but the 12oz feels as heavy as a 16oz . I have about 8 pairs of gloves different brands

    You can’t go wrong with Cletos , Winning overall is a step above in quality but also about $100 more per pair.

    Cleto fight gloves / lace ups are totally different and not meant for sparring due lower weight and heavy bag will wear them out fast so can’t compare to the training gloves
     
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  16. deh707 Orange Belt

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    I had a pair of 12oz velcro Reyes, and it weighed ~17oz!

    I hear that the laceup models are much more accurate in the actual weight department.

    Personally I'd go with lace ups and the Lace N Loop converter, best of both worlds.
     
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    I think it’s less their purported pillow-like quality and more the fact that the heavy bag wears down on the padding. For an expensive glove like Winning, it seems a waste to put the several layers of padding—designed to absorb shots during sparring—to use on an inanimate bag. The actual feel of Winning training gloves on the bag is not significantly different from any other multi-layered glove, in my opinion.

    Comparing Winning MS600 to Reyes training gloves, I feel the latter actually has thicker padding.
     
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