Civil War Museum Closes Doors After Politician Demands Confederate Flags Be Eliminated

[Cake4Breakfast]

 

[luckyshot]

Why couldn't you Northerners just let us secede the first time. You guys forced us to fight for our freedom. Just leave us the fuck alone and stop meddling with our lifestyle.

Wasn't my idea. I think it was one of the dumbest decisions history. But in retrospect, who knows how the twentieth century would have panned out if America wasn't united.

 

[Teppodama]

Wasn't my idea. I think it was one of the dumbest decisions history. But in retrospect, who knows how the twentieth century would have panned out if America wasn't united.

America has only ever been truly united when it comes to war, and even then it depended on the war and how long it went on.

 

[Ice That Jaw]

Pat Buchanon just wrote an engaging piece on this issue.

http://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/patrick-j-buchanan/after-confederates-whos-next

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On Sept. 1, 1864, Union forces under Gen. William Tecumseh Sherman, victorious at Jonesborough, burned Atlanta and began the March to the Sea where Sherman's troops looted and pillaged farms and towns all along the 300-mile road to Savannah.


Captured in the Confederate defeat at Jonesborough was William Martin Buchanan of Okolona, Mississippi, who was transferred by rail to the Union POW stockade at Camp Douglas, Illinois.

By the standards of modernity, my great-grandfather, fighting to prevent the torching of Georgia's capital, was engaged in a criminal and immoral cause. And "Uncle Billy" Sherman was a liberator.

Under President Grant, Sherman took command of the Union army and ordered Gen. Philip Sheridan, who had burned the Shenandoah Valley to starve Virginia into submission, to corral the Plains Indians on reservations.

It is in dispute as to whether Sheridan said, "The only good Indian is a dead Indian." There is no dispute as to the contempt Sheridan had for the Indians, killing their buffalo to deprive them of food.

Today, great statues stand in the nation's capital, along with a Sherman and a Sheridan circle, to honor these most ruthless of generals in that bloodiest of wars that cost 620,000 American lives.

Yet, across the South and even in border states like Kentucky, Maryland and Missouri, one may find statues of Confederate soldiers in town squares to honor the valor and sacrifices of the Southern men and boys who fought and fell in the Lost Cause.

When the Spanish-American War broke out, President McKinley, who as a teenage soldier had fought against "Stonewall" Jackson in the Shenandoah and been at Antietam, bloodiest single-day battle of the Civil War, removed his hat and stood for the singing of "Dixie," as Southern volunteers and former Confederate soldiers paraded through Atlanta to fight for their united country. My grandfather was in that army.

For a century, Americans lived comfortably with the honoring, North and South, of the men who fought on both sides. But today's America is not the magnanimous country we grew up in.







Since the '60s, there has arisen an ideology that holds that the Confederacy was the moral equivalent of Nazi Germany and those who fought under its battle flag should be regarded as traitors or worse.

Thus, in New Orleans, statues of Jefferson Davis, president of the Confederate States of America, and General Robert E. Lee were just pulled down. And a drive is underway to take down the statue of Andrew Jackson, hero of the Battle of New Orleans and president of the United States, which stands in Jackson Square.

Why? Old Hickory was a slave owner and Indian fighter who used his presidential power to transfer the Indians of Georgia out to the Oklahoma Territory in a tragedy known as the Trail of Tears.

But if Jackson, and James K. Polk, who added the Southwest and California to the United States after the Mexican-American War, were slave owners, so, too, were four of our first five presidents.

The list includes the father of our country, George Washington, the author of the Declaration of Independence, Thomas Jefferson, and the author of our Constitution, James Madison.

Not only are the likenesses of Washington and Jefferson carved on Mount Rushmore, the two Virginians are honored with two of the most magnificent monuments and memorials in Washington, D.C.

Behind this remorseless drive to blast the greatest names from America's past off public buildings, and to tear down their statues and monuments, is an egalitarian extremism rooted in envy and hate.

Among its core convictions is that spreading Christianity was a cover story for rapacious Europeans who, after discovering America, came in masses to dispossess and exterminate native peoples. "The white race," wrote Susan Sontag, "is the cancer of human history."

Today, the men we were taught to revere as the great captains, explorers, missionaries and nation-builders are seen by many as part of a racist, imperialist, genocidal enterprise, wicked men who betrayed and eradicated the peace-loving natives who had welcomed them.

What they blindly refuse to see is that while its sins are scarlet, as are those of all civilizations, it is the achievements of the West that are unrivaled. The West ended slavery. Christianity and the West gave birth to the idea of inalienable human rights.

As scholar Charles Murray has written, 97 percent of the world's most significant figures and 97 percent of the world's greatest achievements in the arts, architecture, literature, astronomy, biology, earth sciences, physics, medicine, mathematics and technology came from the West.

What is disheartening is not that there are haters of our civilization out there, but that there seem to be fewer defenders.

Of these icon-smashers it may be said: Like ISIS and Boko Haram, they can tear down statues, but these people could never build a country.

What happens, one wonders, when these Philistines discover that the seated figure in the statue, right in front of D.C.'s Union Station, is the High Admiral of the Ocean Sea, Christopher Columbus?

Happy Memorial Day!

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of a new book, "Nixon's White House Wars: The Battles That Made and Broke a President and Divided America Forever."

 

[Captain Davis]

Pat Buchanon just wrote an engaging piece on this issue.

http://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/patrick-j-buchanan/after-confederates-whos-next

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On Sept. 1, 1864, Union forces under Gen. William Tecumseh Sherman, victorious at Jonesborough, burned Atlanta and began the March to the Sea where Sherman's troops looted and pillaged farms and towns all along the 300-mile road to Savannah.


Captured in the Confederate defeat at Jonesborough was William Martin Buchanan of Okolona, Mississippi, who was transferred by rail to the Union POW stockade at Camp Douglas, Illinois.

By the standards of modernity, my great-grandfather, fighting to prevent the torching of Georgia's capital, was engaged in a criminal and immoral cause. And "Uncle Billy" Sherman was a liberator.

Under President Grant, Sherman took command of the Union army and ordered Gen. Philip Sheridan, who had burned the Shenandoah Valley to starve Virginia into submission, to corral the Plains Indians on reservations.

It is in dispute as to whether Sheridan said, "The only good Indian is a dead Indian." There is no dispute as to the contempt Sheridan had for the Indians, killing their buffalo to deprive them of food.

Today, great statues stand in the nation's capital, along with a Sherman and a Sheridan circle, to honor these most ruthless of generals in that bloodiest of wars that cost 620,000 American lives.

Yet, across the South and even in border states like Kentucky, Maryland and Missouri, one may find statues of Confederate soldiers in town squares to honor the valor and sacrifices of the Southern men and boys who fought and fell in the Lost Cause.

When the Spanish-American War broke out, President McKinley, who as a teenage soldier had fought against "Stonewall" Jackson in the Shenandoah and been at Antietam, bloodiest single-day battle of the Civil War, removed his hat and stood for the singing of "Dixie," as Southern volunteers and former Confederate soldiers paraded through Atlanta to fight for their united country. My grandfather was in that army.

For a century, Americans lived comfortably with the honoring, North and South, of the men who fought on both sides. But today's America is not the magnanimous country we grew up in.







Since the '60s, there has arisen an ideology that holds that the Confederacy was the moral equivalent of Nazi Germany and those who fought under its battle flag should be regarded as traitors or worse.

Thus, in New Orleans, statues of Jefferson Davis, president of the Confederate States of America, and General Robert E. Lee were just pulled down. And a drive is underway to take down the statue of Andrew Jackson, hero of the Battle of New Orleans and president of the United States, which stands in Jackson Square.

Why? Old Hickory was a slave owner and Indian fighter who used his presidential power to transfer the Indians of Georgia out to the Oklahoma Territory in a tragedy known as the Trail of Tears.

But if Jackson, and James K. Polk, who added the Southwest and California to the United States after the Mexican-American War, were slave owners, so, too, were four of our first five presidents.

The list includes the father of our country, George Washington, the author of the Declaration of Independence, Thomas Jefferson, and the author of our Constitution, James Madison.

Not only are the likenesses of Washington and Jefferson carved on Mount Rushmore, the two Virginians are honored with two of the most magnificent monuments and memorials in Washington, D.C.

Behind this remorseless drive to blast the greatest names from America's past off public buildings, and to tear down their statues and monuments, is an egalitarian extremism rooted in envy and hate.

Among its core convictions is that spreading Christianity was a cover story for rapacious Europeans who, after discovering America, came in masses to dispossess and exterminate native peoples. "The white race," wrote Susan Sontag, "is the cancer of human history."

Today, the men we were taught to revere as the great captains, explorers, missionaries and nation-builders are seen by many as part of a racist, imperialist, genocidal enterprise, wicked men who betrayed and eradicated the peace-loving natives who had welcomed them.

What they blindly refuse to see is that while its sins are scarlet, as are those of all civilizations, it is the achievements of the West that are unrivaled. The West ended slavery. Christianity and the West gave birth to the idea of inalienable human rights.

As scholar Charles Murray has written, 97 percent of the world's most significant figures and 97 percent of the world's greatest achievements in the arts, architecture, literature, astronomy, biology, earth sciences, physics, medicine, mathematics and technology came from the West.

What is disheartening is not that there are haters of our civilization out there, but that there seem to be fewer defenders.

Of these icon-smashers it may be said: Like ISIS and Boko Haram, they can tear down statues, but these people could never build a country.

What happens, one wonders, when these Philistines discover that the seated figure in the statue, right in front of D.C.'s Union Station, is the High Admiral of the Ocean Sea, Christopher Columbus?

Happy Memorial Day!

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of a new book, "Nixon's White House Wars: The Battles That Made and Broke a President and Divided America Forever."

This is what I am trying to say. If you hate the Confederacy, you must hate America. The Northern cause was never a moral concern. When the southern states declared secession and used "slavery" as a cause, it wasn't a moral issue either. The war was never about slaves, it was about what slavery produced. It was about how it would affect business and opportunity in the newly added territories obtained from Mexico. The North and South had different means of supporting its economy and both wanted their method to be used in the new territories. There was also an equal number of free states and slave states. Any new territory added as either free or slave, would swing the political dynamic.

So don't fool yourself into believing that when you hear slavery as a cause, it had anything to do with slaves. Neither side gave a damn about slaves. It was what slavery produced that was the issue. In other words, it was about money and power.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

Why close the museum rather than just telling the whiny complainers to fuck off?

Because the county owns the museum and it was a district supervisor that said to take them down.

 

[Hans Gercmiov]

I'm glad I live in Texas. That limped-twisted, lefty horseshit doesn't fly around here.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

He felt that the commissioner was speaking in an official capacity and likely that it wasn't cost effective to try and battle the decision given that they were a non-profit group that likely relied on donations to keep the museum running.

The property is owned by the county, the museum is run with donated memorabilia.

In another article it says that she asked that the flag outside be taken down and the curator complied, but that the commissioner came back 2 weeks later and asked that all the flags inside be removed - including from the gift shop.

I'd wager the majority of "donations"/funds collected come from gift shop sales of items with battle flags adorning the item.

 

[KantoTerror]

Why didn't they just introduce Commissioner Dee Clemmons to Based Stickman?

 

[PainIsLIfe]

Oh well did those states all declare their independence for the USA and in all of their declarations slavery was written about as being a primary reason?

because if not, you're completely wrong and need to be quiet

6 states; not every state.

 

[Big Nasty Edison]

The Confederate Flag only belongs in a Civil War Museum, so removing it from there is completely bogus BS.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

It's Breitbart, so I'm not even going to entertain that this is an actual story and not vapid outrage porn. I can't imagine any reasonable politician going after a history museum for having Confederate flags.

It's a real story

 

[RhinoRush]

The flag represents a lot of different things to a lot of different people. Kind of like the American flag.

Oh don't worry, they'll come after the stars and bars soon enough.

 

[RhinoRush]

Can't retcon history.

But liberals do that all the time...

 

[Falsedawn]

But liberals do that all the time...

Full retard.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

The TS done goofed using Breitbart as a source.

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/hen...all-confederate-flags-to-be-removed/526599593

TL/DR: County employee asked for confederate flags to be removed from public eye outside the museum, museum throws hissy fit and just decides to close down.

but museum curator Bill Dodd said something else emerged when Clemmons attended a ceremony at the museum two weeks ago.

"She made the comment that [Confederate] flag needed to come out of the window,” said Dodd. “From inside the museum."

Dodd said Clemmons also asked that a Confederate flag display be removed and Confederate flags not be sold in the museum. Dodd said that prompted the museum's board to close the museum.

 

[AviatorShades]

It's Breitbart, so I'm not even going to entertain that this is an actual story and not vapid outrage porn. I can't imagine any reasonable politician going after a history museum for having Confederate flags.

Breitbart does nothing to conceal their political leanings but they report a far lower frequency of fake stories than the likes of CNN. Typing "It's Breitbart" til you're blue in the face won't really change that. Time and time again this backfires.

Ultimately this issue comes down to political ringleaders leveraging the spite of a few ahistorical fist-shakers in uneducated communities. It's just about symbolically telling rednecks who's in charge now.

 

[RhinoRush]

This like having a declaration of independence saying hey part of the reason we are leaving is we want to keep slaves on paper, then trying to turn around and saying "no no we aren't fighting to keep slaves"



http://www.lsjunction.com/docs/secesson.htm here's texas for starters

You are either a very good troll or very stupid.
States either declared it or talked about it state meetings.
Every
Single
State

They fucking wrote it in legal documents. Tell me you are trolling me and not this stupid.

Like @Captain Davis said, look up the black codes and look up 'apprenticeships' while you're at it. If Lincoln cared so much about ending slavery, he probably wouldn't have made deals with slave owners so they could keep their slaves after the Civil War...

 

[Trotsky]

Breitbart does nothing to conceal their political leanings but they report a far lower frequency of fake stories than the likes of CNN. Typing "It's Breitbart" til you're blue in the face won't really change that. Time and time again this backfires.

Hahaha, are you serious? You can't be serious. I refuse to entertain the idea that you're the least bit serious.

Name one time that CNN or any actual news outlet reported on a story with no bona fide facts, like the fucking Hillary Clinton pizza shop sex dungeon. You can't because, frankly, CNN isn't even a partisan source. Hell, until 2012 I considered them right of the American center. And they actually abide by journalistic processes for obtaining and verifying information.

The only "fake news" example people are ever able to give is the "hands up" narrative that sprouted after the Michael Brown shooting and which had to be reported on given that, with scant documented information, the happening was being widely reported by bystanders and was being used symbolically by activists. That's completely different than Breitbart, which has consistently and intentionally misled readers by selectively altering and withholding facts, and replacing journalism with crackpot conspiracy.

Get a grip.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

Because the county owns the museum...

Source? If so, then how does the museum just close up shop without approval from either the politicians or the voters?