Chris Weidman: Talented, yet still overrated.

[The Natural Born Runner]

I'm not changing my tune here, I always said that Chris Weidman was overrated and I honestly believe the whole story will be put to bed this weekend when he loses to Gegard Mousasi.

Premature title shot

In what universe does defeating Tom Lawlor, Alessio Sakara, Mark Munoz and Demian Maia, get you a title shot when you only have 9 fights? I'll tell you when, when you're an All-American Great White Hope. The clean-cut, college wrestler from New York - the perfect guy to market, right? What cracks me up is how the whole "Weidman train" didn't really leave the station for the UFC, people just didn't gravitate to him the way that Dana and co. thought he would.

Winning the title and title run

Chris' run to 11-0 had people sold on his elite status - I saw through that shit.

Anderson Silva wins that first fight if he had just toned the goofing down a few notches. Chris cuts a lot of weight, was in his first title fight and in the second round he couldn't get it to the ground any more. I think Chris was winded, and I think Anderson was coming on strong - until the stupidest mistake in MMA history.

Defense 1.) Take nothing away for the second Anderson fight, I think Anderson was mentally broken and Chris would have won without the leg-break - but still, that win was a fluke, like it or not, you cannot be doing a victory lap like you KO'd Anderson when a freak accident happened and he's writhing in pain. Classless!

Defense 2.) Probably Chris' best performance if I'm to be honest, but Weidman fans act like he didn't have his ass handed to him in the 4th Round - I saw cracks in Chris at that point, he curls up when he gets hit and his cardio was letting him down after the third round.

Defense 3.) The guy with the black belt in BJJ leaves his half-guard wide open and gets mounted easier than Chanel Preston. Before that, Belfort had Chris in all sorts of trouble and hurt Chris really bad - not a great performance from Chris in my opinion, curled up again and on another day might have been finished.

Side Note: All the talk about Belfort's T levels, yet Chris' levels were WAY BELOW the average - hmmm!

The decline

I told everyone that Rockhold would get the finish and everyone laughed at me. The minute the fight went to the ground it looked like a man against a boy. Rockhold outclassed the "elite grappler" and put one of the worst beatings on Chris that I've seen in any fight in MMA.

Romero. Yeah, yeah, it was 1-1 going into the third round, blah, blah. Yoel almost killed Weidman, and even before the knee, the tide had completely turned and yet again Chris' elite grappling was shown to be inferior to another elite fighter.

Side note: What a coinkydink! The minute USADA turns up, Mr. Low T levels starts losing - badly!

This weekend

This is Chris' last chance. If he loses to Gegard he might be done forever, his confidence, his mentality, the whole 3 losses in a row - that stuff is tough to overcome.

This is a must win for Chris - but I think MMA karma came around to bite him.

EDIT UPDATE: WHAT DID I TELL YOU!?

FEAR THE MOOSE!

 

[MMACroatia]

I didn't have a clue who Weidman is,thanks.

 

[Tamriel Terror]

Weidman is a great fighter, but yes, he was overrated by his fans. They said he was gonna be the goat, mw goat, etc etc. Unfortunately a lot of people see Weidman as a fighter of great circumstance (fought silva when he silva was on the decline +plus the injury in the rematch, meh performance against lyoto, beat non trt belfort, etc.)

People acted like he was an unstable machine.

 

[MysticGOD]

O lawd
Never change NBR

 

[Forever Young]

Everyone is overrated except Bones and Aldo

 

[ArtemV]

So you're a salty Anderson Silva fan, hello

 

[Unsurprised Diaz]

He's barely been holding his head above water lately, but he's still my buoy

 

[Verace]

I'm not changing my tune here, I always said that Chris Weidman was overrated and I honestly believe the whole story will be put to bed this weekend when he loses to Gegard Mousasi.

Premature title shot

In what universe does defeating Tom Lawlor, Alessio Sakara, Mark Munoz and Demian Maia, get you a title shot when you only have 9 fights? I'll tell you when, when you're an All-American Great White Hope. The clean-cut, college wrestler from New York - the perfect guy to market, right? What cracks me up is how the whole "Weidman train" didn't really leave the station for the UFC, people just didn't gravitate to him the way that Dana and co. thought he would.

Winning the title and title run

Chris' run to 11-0 had people sold on his elite status - I saw through that shit.

Anderson Silva wins that first fight if he had just toned the goofing down a few notches. Chris cuts a lot of weight, was in his first title fight and in the second round he couldn't get it to the ground any more. I think Chris was winded, and I think Anderson was coming on strong - until the stupidest mistake in MMA history.

Defense 1.) Take nothing away for the second Anderson fight, I think Anderson was mentally broken and Chris would have won without the leg-break - but still, that win was a fluke, like it or not, you cannot be doing a victory lap like you KO'd Anderson when a freak accident happened and he's writhing in pain. Classless!

Defense 2.) Probably Chris' best performance if I'm to be honest, but Weidman fans act like he didn't have his ass handed to him in the 4th Round - I saw cracks in Chris at that point, he curls up when he gets hit and his cardio was letting him down after the third round.

Defense 3.) The guy with the black belt in BJJ leaves his half-guard wide open and gets mounted easier than Chanel Preston. Before that, Belfort had Chris in all sorts of trouble and hurt Chris really bad - not a great performance from Chris in my opinion, curled up again and on another day might have been finished.

Side Note: All the talk about Belfort's T levels, yet Chris' levels were WAY BELOW the average - hmmm!

The decline

I told everyone that Rockhold would get the finish and everyone laughed at me. The minute the fight went to the ground it looked like a man against a boy. Rockhold outclassed the "elite grappler" and put one of the worst beatings on Chris that I've seen in any fight in MMA.

Romero. Yeah, yeah, it was 1-1 going into the third round, blah, blah. Yoel almost killed Weidman, and even before the knee, the tide had completely turned and yet again Chris' elite grappling was shown to be inferior to another elite fighter.

Side note: What a coinkydink! The minute USADA turns up, Mr. Low T levels starts losing - badly!

This weekend

This is Chris' last chance. If he loses to Gegard he might be done forever, his confidence, his mentality, the whole 3 losses in a row - that stuff is tough to overcome.

This is a must win for Chris - but I think MMA karma came around to bite him.

fully agree.

perfectly put

expecting this to some people... going to be fun

 

[tenniswhiz]

He is virtually unbeatable in the first round of a fight.
He has won every single first round he has ever fought in.

We can talk about mistakes he made that led to his losses (spinning kick, no bottom game, sloppy TD shot), but it was his poor cardio that created those situations more than anything else.

My prediction for the Moos fight:
As usual, Weidman gets a TD and wins round 1.
R2 will be the deciding round and it will be close. Moos will start to get the upper hand as Weidman fades, but Weidman will still be dangerous enough to keep Moos from pulling the trigger.
Moos schools Weidman in the 3rd. Completely outstrikes him and bloodies him, but fails to finish him.

It ends with Sherdog arguing on who won the 2nd round.
Similar to all the Tito/Forrest fight or a typical Gleison fight.
Of course one could get a freebies if the other commits a catastrophe mistake.

 

[The Natural Born Runner]

Weidman is a great fighter, but yes, he was overrated by his fans. They said he was gonna be the goat, mw goat, etc etc. Unfortunately a lot of people see Weidman as a fighter of great circumstance (fought silva when he silva was on the decline +plus the injury in the rematch, meh performance against lyoto, beat non trt belfort, etc.)

People acted like he was an unstable machine.

Greatly put sir, like always.

Remember the "Middleweight GOAT" talk lol. I'm not going to lie, I was shitting myself for the Rockhold fight because I was thinking "damn, if Luke fucks this up I'm never going to hear the end of this".

 

[Claude]

Premature title shot - Wrong

Chris Weidman was arguably the most deserving contender Anderson Silva ever fought. Take a look at what Anderson's previous opponents did to earn their shot:

*Lutter had no top wins
*Cote had no top wins
*Marquardt had no top wins
*Vitor had no top wins at 185. Defeated Franklin at CW, however he was coming off an injury and layoff of a year and a half when he fought Silva.
*Leites earned his shot after a win by deducted points
*Maia came 1-1 in his last 2, with a recent loss by KO in under a minute
*Henderson, despite his accomplishments he was coming off a loss to Rampage at LHW. He also lost his last MW fight to Misaki.
*Franklin was in a 2 win streak over unranked fighters
*Okami had 2 top wins (Marquardt and Munoz) and was in a 3 win streak
*Sonnen had 2 top wins (Marquardt and Okami) and was in a 3 win streak

Chris Weidman was in a 9 win streak, with 2 top wins and was undefeated.

It doesn't matter he had only 9 fights because he was showing good enough skills to be a champion and he proved it by destroying Anderson twice and defending his belt 2 more times. The timing was right. He lost because he made mistakes againt elite fighters.

Cain had only 8 fights when he fought for the title.

Anderson wins that first fight if he had just toned the goofing down a few notches - Unlikely

Anderson didn't come out goofing in the 1st round and this happened:

Anderson's clowning was a result of frustration because he was losing the fight. Chris was fighting smart, picking his shots and not leaving any openings. As a result Anderson baited him until he made a mistake which Weidman capitalized on. Silva himself admitted he lost control and his temper. Credit goes to Chris for pushing Anderson to that point.

That win (Silva rematch) was a fluke, like it or not - Wrong

Chris especifically trained leg checks for the rematch. When you train something and then you succeed at it in a fight then it's no fluke.

You might say fighters rarely get their legs broken when leg checked, but if they kicked without any setup, as hard as Silva did and right to their opponents shin then you would see them getting their legs broken all the time. Anderson got his leg broken because he threw a hard and predictable leg kick without any type of setup and Weidman timed it and checked it perfectly. Not an accident, not a fluke.

You might say Chris didn't have the intention to break Anderson's leg and thus it was a fluke, however not everthing a fighter does has the intention to finish the fight. A jab can result in a KO, even when a lot of times they are intented to keep your opponent at distance. A leg kick can end a fight, even when most of the times they are intended to wear down your opponents foot work. Chris had the intention to hurt Anderson with that leg check and he did. He couldn't have the intention to break Silva's leg.

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Chris isn't overrated. Removing steroids cheaters he's still the best MW champion in history.

 

[The Natural Born Runner]

fully agree.

perfectly put

expecting this to some people... going to be fun

 

[UL]

I agree

He's a jok3

 

[TheRassler]

The fluke king is out of luck.


Weidman is the flukiest fighter in the world.

 

[TMAN29]

I think his issue is he's not an explosive elite athlete. Not meaning he doesn't have power, but not the takedowns and movement to blow through guys

 

[MysticGOD]

@Roca
Pretty sure you've got another thread to bump after this fight

 

[ninja boot]

hindsight is 20/20. pretty easy to say what weidman is and isn't when you're basing your entire argument on how they perceived him to be and then the reality of what he ended up being.

 

[The Natural Born Runner]

He is virtually unbeatable in the first round of a fight.
He has won every single first round he has ever fought in.

We can talk about mistakes he made that led to his losses (spinning kick, no bottom game, sloppy TD shot), but it was his poor cardio that created those situations more than anything else.

My prediction for the Moos fight:
As usual, Weidman gets a TD and wins round 1.
R2 will be the deciding round and it will be close. Moos will start to get the upper hand as Weidman fades, but Weidman will still be dangerous enough to keep Moos from pulling the trigger.
Moos schools Weidman in the 3rd. Completely outstrikes him and bloodies him, but fails to finish him.

It ends with Sherdog arguing on who won the 2nd round.
Similar to all the Tito/Forrest fight or a typical Gleison fight.
Of course one could get a freebies if the other commits a catastrophe mistake.

Great analysis.

I agree, his cardio gets a real free pass from analysts and commentators, but he gasses in every fight - and if it isn't full-on gassing, he definitely slows considerably.

I already said this, but I also think he can't really take a shot. He doesn't wear shots well, he doesn't go with the punches, he curls up and hopes for the best. He did this against Machida, Belfort, Rockhold and Romero. Some of the shots he was hit with were enough to hurt and possibly finish anyone, but he doesn't deal well with adversity, he's a front runner (as you alluded to).

I think this fight is interesting because we genuinely don't know what to expect - but I think Chris might be done now, I think this fight has the potential to look very much like Mousasi/Belfort.

 

[Head Movement]

I'm not changing my tune here, I always said that Chris Weidman was overrated and I honestly believe the whole story will be put to bed this weekend when he loses to Gegard Mousasi.

Premature title shot

In what universe does defeating Tom Lawlor, Alessio Sakara, Mark Munoz and Demian Maia, get you a title shot when you only have 9 fights? I'll tell you when, when you're an All-American Great White Hope. The clean-cut, college wrestler from New York - the perfect guy to market, right? What cracks me up is how the whole "Weidman train" didn't really leave the station for the UFC, people just didn't gravitate to him the way that Dana and co. thought he would.

Winning the title and title run

Chris' run to 11-0 had people sold on his elite status - I saw through that shit.

Anderson Silva wins that first fight if he had just toned the goofing down a few notches. Chris cuts a lot of weight, was in his first title fight and in the second round he couldn't get it to the ground any more. I think Chris was winded, and I think Anderson was coming on strong - until the stupidest mistake in MMA history.

Defense 1.) Take nothing away for the second Anderson fight, I think Anderson was mentally broken and Chris would have won without the leg-break - but still, that win was a fluke, like it or not, you cannot be doing a victory lap like you KO'd Anderson when a freak accident happened and he's writhing in pain. Classless!

Defense 2.) Probably Chris' best performance if I'm to be honest, but Weidman fans act like he didn't have his ass handed to him in the 4th Round - I saw cracks in Chris at that point, he curls up when he gets hit and his cardio was letting him down after the third round.

Defense 3.) The guy with the black belt in BJJ leaves his half-guard wide open and gets mounted easier than Chanel Preston. Before that, Belfort had Chris in all sorts of trouble and hurt Chris really bad - not a great performance from Chris in my opinion, curled up again and on another day might have been finished.

Side Note: All the talk about Belfort's T levels, yet Chris' levels were WAY BELOW the average - hmmm!

The decline

I told everyone that Rockhold would get the finish and everyone laughed at me. The minute the fight went to the ground it looked like a man against a boy. Rockhold outclassed the "elite grappler" and put one of the worst beatings on Chris that I've seen in any fight in MMA.

Romero. Yeah, yeah, it was 1-1 going into the third round, blah, blah. Yoel almost killed Weidman, and even before the knee, the tide had completely turned and yet again Chris' elite grappling was shown to be inferior to another elite fighter.

Side note: What a coinkydink! The minute USADA turns up, Mr. Low T levels starts losing - badly!

This weekend

This is Chris' last chance. If he loses to Gegard he might be done forever, his confidence, his mentality, the whole 3 losses in a row - that stuff is tough to overcome.

This is a must win for Chris - but I think MMA karma came around to bite him.

Y'all have no clue who Chris weidman is do u?

 

[Epicman1324]

Chanel Preston.

Who da fuck is dat guy?