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    I think the word 'united' for these threads is not entirely accurate.
     
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    Maybe a silly question, but when would you guys say usa folkstyle wrestling and catch became separate sports?
     
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    Who will they claim this time! Stay tuned to find out.
     
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    Yes, I that's what happened
     
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    Late 1920's. Iowa coach and usa wrestling coach hugo otopalik wrote the following in 1930 regarding rule changes made by the AAU and NCAA.

    "Six Years ago catch-as-catch-can wrestling was an entirely different sort of affair. The men would mix a choke hold with a hook-scissors [Back Body Triangle - KJ] around the body that would put one of them out for a matter of hours or even days ... the sport was too brutal and we needed a transition. All strangle holds were barred and such bone breaking holds as the full nelson, toe-holds, and twisting arm locks met their doom. The AAU soon took a hand in seeing that more rules were set up. The National Collegiate Athletic Association stepped up and revised and modernized the rules of the game to such an extent that there is now practically no danger to the growing boy in wrestling".

    - from "Modern Wrestling For High School And College".
     
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    Dennis Hallman finally receives his BJJ Black Belt from World Champion Fabiano Scherner!!
     
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    Why was catch so dangerous? Did people like, just not tap at all?
     
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    Most holds were used to wear down or coax a pin, which was the object in the amateurs. Standing or turtled holds done in a way to force tge opponent to their back to alleviate pressure / pain.
     
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    damn, what happened this time?
     
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    Hahah... fat chance of that.
     
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    Eh?
     
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    Ok so people in those positions didn't want to tap, and didn't want to go to their backs, and thus got injured? Was conceding defeat via tap considered a worse way to lose than via pin?
     
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    Repost.

    Fun video of Brian Ebersole, you can see him demo'ing some leg attacks at the begining and toward the end that I'm sure he picked up from Frank Shamrock.

     
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    Thanks. What about catch in Britian? Did the sport more or less die off?
     
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    Eh?


    Just noticing,once again, this thread is reset to zero,page 1.
     
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    Legitimate public pro matches generally stopped happening not long after world war 2 had ended. Wrestling ceased in schools around the same time or earlier.

    Legit Pro Wrestling has held a couple of successful events in the North, the most recent happening this past weekend. The 'world' heavyweight title match ended in a draw after 3 x 12 minute rounds.
     
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    Threads with over a thousand posts in them are locked as they put strain on the servers.

    The old versions of the threads still exist, you'll find them linked in the opening post.
     
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    I am a fan of what Legit Pro Wrestling is doing. Hopefully, more organizations will pop up in a similar fashion in the future.
     
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    pretty cool!

     
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    I imagine part of it is because when you wrestle, its not just for yourself, everyone else is relying on you too. So if your opponent scores a fall, thatle cost your team more than 'merely' losing by points.

    From that perspective, tweaking techniques to cause more pain is not simply a question of good strategy, but infact is a sort of kindness; to encourrage your opponent to concede without having to go all the way and cripple him.
     
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    Damn, wish they were in the US!

    Are there any similar organizations to your knowledge, besides FICW and Snake Pit USA (who as far as I know, don't host official tournaments but maybe I'm wrong)?
     
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    Hammer Locks are often available and completely neglected. One of the main UFC fights for example last night guy was turned with his right arm behind him stuck on the ground, and top man's rt hand was right next to it there for the grabbing. Ain't No Thing But a Chicken Wing!


    Thought....while Frank Mir is a bit too comfortable going to his back, his seeing a limb and going to rip him, Hook It, in devastating fashion has always made him seem more Catch to me then BJJ and he started as a wrestler.

    While Josh could win punching on the feet, or GnP punches, I think Mir could possibly Hook Josh...........

    Can one consider Frank Mir a modern Catch Wrestler? While I believe their should be wanting to be on top with gravity and grinding people, his approach to the sub game has always seemed Catch to me............................
     
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    There are some smaller tournaments scattered throughout the midwest and east coast, that will pop up time to time. Josh Barnett has also hosted a couple CACC tournaments in California. In comparison to 5 years ago, tournaments are becoming more and more readily available. But compared to other grappling tournaments in the states, CACC still has some growing to do. I do think that there will be brighter days ahead though.
     
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    well he did recently claim to be more Catch than Josh B.
     
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    The mma gym I just started training at just banned leglocks, and this is during my trial period. They banned leglocks cause one of their guys got his leg destroyed in an mma fight by a leglock (dont know which specific one) and the head instructor thinks their cheap..... I tried to be more open minded and make my no-gi experience as close to CACC as I can, but that rule just took a blow to it. Ugh, why cant there be more wrestling and catch in my area!!!!!!
     
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    Martin's a good guy. He went to the last couple of camps Billy Robinson did before he passed, and the 2 Wade Scales camps hosting the most recent uk one.

    He's also the MC for the Legit Pro Wrestling promotion.

    He's not the most experienced catch coach but wouldn't admit to, and his main focus is on his family than coaching or competing. I won't reveal any more than that since it's a personal matter down to him to reveal more if he wants to.
     
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    You cannot seriously consider yourself a cacc guy if you like beeing on your back, it's a non-sense.

    Catch wrestling = wrestling + sub, and wrestler dont go on their back.

    So, my short answer is NO.
     
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    Does anybody think 2-time D1 ncaa heavy weight champ Tony Nelson would do really good at a Grappling tournament?He has been training with Josh Barnett some.
     
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    So he thinks the way to avoid leglock injuries is to make his students worse at leglocks (which they surely will be without training them)? That's asinine.

    Change school.
     
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    No idea. But I'd watch if there was video of him submission grappling.
     
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    Most of the time, trying to escape without knowing what's going on lead to injuries.

    So, like you said, if they know nothing about leg lock...
     
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    I see. I actually know about him from sword fighting activities . His marketing is also unorthodox for a wrestler.

    I where is the place eto learn catch in the uk? Still snake pit? ?
     
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    If you want to REALLY Know leglocks Pick up Gokor's 5 DVD Set....not just saying that because I am currently a Gokor guy, but they are great!

    Any1 Watch my biggest support Dennis Hallman's fight tonight vs Hornbuckle?
    He went for the Crucifix armbar I did briefly in this vid (and had he gone for the roll to elbows to Nasty neck crank I show on seminar dvd would have been even sweeter), in guard did the seatbelt to punches which can turn into Hammer lock if you break the guard like I was talking etc. and could have done a 2nd time by posturing up and in when Hornbuckle went for the Double wrist lock again. Cool to see these positions only two days after filming, and from one of my big supporters that loves my stuff.

    Congrats to Hallman, true vet and great grappler!
     
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    Snake Pit or one of their affiliate clubs depending on where you are at.
     
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