Can Atheists explain to me why there is evil and suffering in the world?

[Buck Swope]

How did you get at this?

By watching pixelated porn? That really raunchy, head in the toilet, golden showers porn. Set in Russia, of course.

 

[Cuzcatlan]

I am curious about atheistic perspective on this issue.

I am sure it will make a lot of sense.

Nothing is perfect.

 

[Buck Swope]

Is a lion evil because it terrorizes zebras all day long?

I keep coming back to examples like this. Humans are animals. What is evil? We live, then die. That's it. Trying to make sense of it is of no use.

 

[IDL]

Looking at nature, there is very little tolerance for weakness.

If there was no suffering then a species would quickly become weak and would perish. Or at best, it would stagnate as it would be non-competative.

Suffering serves a purpose in nature and in personal growth.

There is of course, some forms of it that are unnecessary and serve no purpose (like torturing someone for fun) but I think those are outlying scenarios.

 

[Strategery]

You've got a sample size in the billions of a diverse intelligent species. Some evil and suffering is to be expected from a statistical standpoint. Do we have the expected amount? LOL.

 

[Pixelated Porn]

I don't know that he did. But if he didn't, and it does exist, then God is not an all-powerful, all-knowing, creator of everything. If God does exist and is an omnipotent, omniscient, creator of everything, then either evil doesn't really exist, or God is, or at least has some, evil in him.

Why is that? Nothing you are saying is true. I mean I understand that you are saying it but it is not logical just from this.

What did God make that is evil? Fact is that evil cannot exist without good.
A tooth is good. A cavity is an evil (privation of good) but it cannot exist without the tooth.

God makes all good things, but evil can attach to good things.

 

[BearGrounds]

Suffering is an integral part of the mechanism. It is the chief motivator. It forever looms above. Forever threatens to descend upon you should you let up for even a moment. Everything we do, we do to avoid it. This is true whether a God exists or not.

 

[Squarechoke]

Why is that? Nothing you are saying is true. I mean I understand that you are saying it but it is not logical just from this.

What did God make that is evil? Fact is that evil cannot exist without good.
A tooth is good. A cavity is an evil (privation of good) but it cannot exist without the tooth.

God makes all good things, but evil can attach to good things.

So you're saying that good and evil are greater than god?

 

[Pixelated Porn]

So you're saying that good and evil is greater than god?

How did you come to this conclusion? What in my post makes you think this?

 

[Squarechoke]

How did you come to this conclusion? What in my post makes you think this?

Because you say that god creates things that are good, but evil can attach to it. If he's greater than good and evil he decides if evil can attach to the good things he creates. If he can't he's lesser than those things.

 

[rj144]

I don't get it. Why would the opposite, believing in god, explain suffering and evil?

Shit happens... it doesn't need to be explained by anything.

 

[helltoupee]

I'm more interested in a christians explanation to how/why evil and the devil exit. Especially their origins.

I made a thread quite some time ago regarding this exact subject, and the concepts of God and Satan being derived from the Sumerian brothers Enki and Enlil.

The truly mind-bending part of the whole story is that it is Enki (later termed Satan in the OT) is the one in Sumerian mythology who saved mankind from the supposed Great Diluge, attempted to give mankind knowledge of their oppressive overlord (and creator) Enlil (Garden of Eden) and was basically mankind's compassionate caretake, while Enlil (the God of the OT) attempted to destroy mankind with a flood, punished them for all eternity for seeking "knowledge", etc.

I am not religious (Christian or Satanic) by any means, and believe the stories to be allegorical, however it is fascinating that the Bible actually twists one brother into being "good" and the other "bad", I would presume mostly for political purposes/control.

Have a look if you are interested:

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/is-god-really-satan-adversary.3292093/

 

[aitkenmike]

I am curious about atheistic perspective on this issue.

I am sure it will make a lot of sense.

I'm not an atheist, but I assume the answer to this would be simply 'because people'. I don't think that is any less logical than 'because God'.

 

[ncordless]

Why is that? Nothing you are saying is true. I mean I understand that you are saying it but it is not logical just from this.

What did God make that is evil? Fact is that evil cannot exist without good.
A tooth is good. A cavity is an evil (privation of good) but it cannot exist without the tooth.

God makes all good things, but evil can attach to good things.

Putting aside the question of whether privation of good is evil, or whether a cavity is evil, or the result of evil, or whatever . . .

sure, it may be as you say. God creates the good. So who creates the bad? There is something that God does not create?

 

[Pixelated Porn]

So who creates the bad?

What evil is created?

Because you say that god creates things that are good, but evil can attach to it. If he's greater than good and evil he decides if evil can attach to the good things he creates. If he can't he's lesser than those things.

God permits evil to be just like God permits his creation to be.

" If he's greater than good and evil he decides if evil can attach to the good things he creates."
- He did decide what can and cannot attach as he made the rules that govern the universe.

Not really sure of your point here

 

[ncordless]

What evil is created?

I don't know. Does evil not exist? If so, then it wasn't created. If it does exist, then it was created it would seem. Or maybe it preexists God?

 

[Cuzcatlan]

Why is that? Nothing you are saying is true. I mean I understand that you are saying it but it is not logical just from this.

What did God make that is evil? Fact is that evil cannot exist without good.
A tooth is good. A cavity is an evil (privation of good) but it cannot exist without the tooth.

God makes all good things, but evil can attach to good things.

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This is not evil in the context of moral evil or ontological evil, but it is in the context of natural phenomena. You have to actually read the whole chapter and perhaps more to get the meaning of the passages.




Second, the context of the verse is speaking of natural phenomena.

"I am the Lord, and there is no other; Besides Me there is no God. I will gird you, though you have not known Me; 6That men may know from the rising to the setting of the sun That there is no one besides Me. I am the Lord, and there is no other, 7The One forming light and creating darkness, Causing well-being and creating calamity; I am the Lord who does all these," (Isaiah 45:5-7).

Notice that the context of the verse is dealing with who God is, that it is God who speaks of natural phenomena (sun, light, dark), and it is God who is able to cause "well-being" as well as "calamity." Contextually, this verse is dealing with natural disasters and human comfort issues. It is not speaking of moral evil; rather, it is dealing with calamity, distress, etc. This is consistent with other scriptures. For example,

• "And the Lord said to him, "Who has made man’s mouth? Or who makes him dumb or deaf, or seeing or blind? Is it not I, the Lord?" (Exodus 4:11).
• "Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?" (Amos 3:6).

Also, take note that Isaiah is presenting contrasts. He speaks of "light" and "darkness," "well being" and "calamity." The word "well-being" in the Hebrew is the word for 'peace,' "Shalome." So, in the context, we are seeing two sets of opposites: Light and dark, peace and non-peace, or well being and calamity. The "evil" that is spoken of is not ontological evil, but the evil experienced by people in the form of calamity."

https://carm.org/does-god-create-evil

I don't know. Does evil not exist? If so, then it wasn't created. If it does exist, then it was created it would seem. Or maybe it preexists God?

Evil is not created it is a perversion or lack of good.

 

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Because we developed a brain more capable of choice then other animals.

 

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This is not evil in the context of moral evil or ontological evil, but it is in the context of natural phenomena. You have to actually read the whole chapter and perhaps more to get the meaning of the passages.




Second, the context of the verse is speaking of natural phenomena.

"I am the Lord, and there is no other; Besides Me there is no God. I will gird you, though you have not known Me; 6That men may know from the rising to the setting of the sun That there is no one besides Me. I am the Lord, and there is no other, 7The One forming light and creating darkness, Causing well-being and creating calamity; I am the Lord who does all these," (Isaiah 45:5-7).

Notice that the context of the verse is dealing with who God is, that it is God who speaks of natural phenomena (sun, light, dark), and it is God who is able to cause "well-being" as well as "calamity." Contextually, this verse is dealing with natural disasters and human comfort issues. It is not speaking of moral evil; rather, it is dealing with calamity, distress, etc. This is consistent with other scriptures. For example,

• "And the Lord said to him, "Who has made man’s mouth? Or who makes him dumb or deaf, or seeing or blind? Is it not I, the Lord?" (Exodus 4:11).
• "Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?" (Amos 3:6).

Also, take note that Isaiah is presenting contrasts. He speaks of "light" and "darkness," "well being" and "calamity." The word "well-being" in the Hebrew is the word for 'peace,' "Shalome." So, in the context, we are seeing two sets of opposites: Light and dark, peace and non-peace, or well being and calamity. The "evil" that is spoken of is not ontological evil, but the evil experienced by people in the form of calamity."

https://carm.org/does-god-create-evil



Evil is not created it is a perversion or lack of good.

If God brings forth "Calamity" then in essence he is evil. For Calamity brings suffering. He is the source of the suffering. He brings misery to even good people. He is all controlling power of light and darkness. He allows darkness into our existence.