California's Fight For Single-Payer Healthcare Fails

I'm hoping all the Californians who moved to Nevada will move their asses back to that shithole.
 
That would literally bankrupt the country for decades. Even suspending all constitutional concerns of search and seizure and due process, which would alone generate tens of billions of dollars in legal fees, you have to accommodate for the huge public expenditure towards expanding the state, the economic displacement and reemployment of agents thereafter, the huge administrative costs, and replacing the displaced economic and tax contributions of tens of millions of persons whose age demographics skew young relative to the rest of the population.

I'm afraid you don't understand the scope, even of your own hypothetical, friend.



Deporting illegals will bankrupt us but not spending billions to trillions on their welfare?
 
Free Shit and Open Borders doesn't work whether USA or California, as long as you want a open border with Mexico and the 3rd world, it will never work.

There is no open border with Mexico, stop being retarded for just once and have a mature conversation.
 
Deporting illegals will bankrupt us but not spending billions to trillions on their welfare?

If we continue to see net losses in migration, the point is moot. If not, the clear and obvious answer is naturalization. Don't shoot the messenger just because you advocate costly policies that you do not understand.
 
That would literally bankrupt the country for decades. Even suspending all constitutional concerns of search and seizure and due process, which would alone generate tens of billions of dollars in legal fees, you have to accommodate for the huge public expenditure towards expanding the state, the economic displacement and reemployment of agents thereafter, the huge administrative costs, and replacing the displaced economic and tax contributions of tens of millions of persons whose age demographics skew young relative to the rest of the population.

I'm afraid you don't understand the scope, even of your own hypothetical, friend.
If you think I was doing anything but playing devil's advocate for conversation sake, then you're mistake.

And I'm not your friend, buddy.
 
If California made Hollywood and Silicon Valley foot the bill for this, those limousine liberals would leave California before sunrise.
Kentucky would be the new technological powerhouse of the world.
 
If you think I was doing anything but playing devil's advocate for conversation sake, then you're mistake.

And I'm not your friend, buddy.

Well, you shouldn't assume the role of devil's advocate if you're not willing to advocate, friend.
 
Well, you shouldn't assume the role of devil's advocate if you're not willing to advocate, friend.
I already advocated. Had you pissed at me, right?

And I'm not your friend, guy.
 
Yes, they do. They're just the capitalists who aren't fucking morons. Hell, my former law school professor who is one of the nation's leading experts in law and economics (particularly capitalist *markets*) just gave a speech about how there is no capitalist defense to the industry. But, please, give us insights into your capitalist rationale for the economic propriety of private healthcare.


What's you former law professor name, im interested in his argument for single payer as a capitalist

There is no open border with Mexico, stop being retarded for just once and have a mature conversation.


Free healthcare for illegals in a state that opposes in form of border security, yeah the floodgates of non citizens would pour in.
 
california is simultaneously the GOAT state (weather, hotness of females, standard of living) and the most absurd place in the whole US
 
It can be done but it must be well thought out.

CaliCare certainly looks like Vermont v2.0 at this point.

I think the biggest obstacle that prevents all these awesome socialistic programs from becoming reality is that in 100% of the time, their authors try to sell it on nothing but dreams and hopes.

It sounds all good in slogans and on placards, until the truth bomb inevitably drop about their annual cost far exceeding the entire State's budget.
 
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What's you former law professor name, im interested in his argument for single payer as a capitalist




Free healthcare for illegals in a state that opposes in form of border security, yeah the floodgates of non citizens would pour in.
Is there any room in the spectrum of reality for a socio-capitalist? I mean that's where we are and it's where we're headed for awhile now. Neither one side or the other is realistic, from a geo-political move or a domestic policy.

I do agree that if you're technically an illegal citizen, you shouldn't get rights given to legal citizens.
 
california is simultaneously the GOAT state (weather, hotness of females, standard of living) and the most absurd place in the whole US


If Florida and California ever were to fuck each other it would produce the most insanely delopitated malformed baby the world has ever seen.
 
Free healthcare for illegals in a state that opposes in form of border security, yeah the floodgates of non citizens would pour in.

But until they do, the discussion point is moot.
 
If Florida and California ever were to fuck each other it would produce the most insanely delopitated malformed baby the world has ever seen.
ya, but if you combined the hotness of chicks from San Diego and Miami....

good lawd, by their powers combined....
 
Is there any room in the spectrum of reality for a socio-capitalist? I mean that's where we are and it's where we're headed for awhile now. Neither one side or the other is realistic, from a geo-political move or a domestic policy.

I do agree that if you're technically an illegal citizen, you shouldn't get rights given to legal citizens.


That's why i want to hear his views to see if selling socio-captialism or dl socialism
 
CaliCare certainly looks like Vermont v2.0 at this point.

I think the biggest obstacle that prevents all these awesome socialistic programs from becoming reality is that in 100% of the time, their authors try to sell it on nothing but dreams and hopes.

It sounds all good in slogans and on placards, until the truth bomb inevitably drop about their annual cost far exceed the entire State's budget.

Pretty much.

Reading about the Vermont, experience, i guess its impossible to do at State level, specially not with a republican federal government that will try to torpedo it instead of working it out.
 
Y'all realize that Trotsky is a previously banned troll, right?
 
This state is run by idiots.
What could go wrong?

The democratic leadership in California took their state's finances from a massive deficit into a surplus. This deficit was made when the state was almost entirely Republican led.
 
Pretty much.

Reading about the Vermont, experience, i guess its impossible to do at State level, specially not with a republican federal government that will try to torpedo it instead of working it out.

This is why I'm wary of everything that tries to promote itself as a free lunch, instead of breaking down the costs/benefits right from the start so people can make an informed choice.

I predict that even with the best-case scenario, even if it's offset by the amount that employers and employees currently pay for private healthcare, even with all the exemptions approved by the Federal government, this initiative would die a fiery death at the voting booth all by itself when people came to the shocking realization that the new taxes to fund "free healthcare" would be AT LEAST $50 Billion a year.

A proposed single-payer health system in California would cost about $400 billion annually, with up to half of that money coming from a new payroll tax on workers and employers, according to a state analysis.

To put that in perspective, about $367 billion was spent on health care last year statewide, including public and private spending by employers and consumers, according to the UCLA Center for Health Policy Research.

Legislative analysts said federal, state and local taxpayer funding of about $200 billion a year for existing programs could be available to offset the overall tab of $400 billion for universal coverage. But additional tax revenue would be needed to foot the other half of the cost, according to the report, which raised the possibility of a 15 percent payroll tax on earned income.

Of course, the shift to a single-payer system should reduce current spending on health insurance by employers and workers, so those savings could offset some of the new taxes, the analysts said. The report estimated that employers and employees in California spend $100 billion to $150 billion a year now on health insurance and medical care.

“Total new spending required under the bill would be between $50 billion and $100 billion per year,” the report said.
 
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