Cain is not even on top 3 of HW of all times

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  1. DaviVasco

    DaviVasco Blue Belt

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    I don't get it why Cain is so overrated.

    Fedor, werdum and now Miocic have way more impressive resumes.

    Werdum was a champion when he was as old as 39, he is 40 and still fighting at high level. Has fought the best, including Fedor and destroyed Cain.

    Stipe is fucking awesome, beat the record of most hw title defenses and is very active champion

    Fedor, I don't even need to talk about him

    So what about Cain ? His most notable wins are against JDS, who has no ground game. So you consider wins against WWE Lesnar and old minotauro as great wins ? Cain last win was against the gate keeper Ronda Browne

    Stipe, Fedor, werdum,l >>>>>>>>> cain
     
  2. Moretti

    Moretti Layla & Sadie

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    1. Fedor
    2. Nog
    3. Stipe
     
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  3. BigMuffler

    BigMuffler Loli is love loli is life!

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    Cain is like borderline top 5. Fedor, Werdum, Stipe, Nog should be ahead of him and guys like Overeem, JDS and Barnett can be argued against him.
     
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  4. Davey Crockett

    Davey Crockett Mane, Firmino, Salah

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    DC was nearly in tears because he knows his good friend has been denied his rightful place as champ due to injuries. Cain would still be undefeated from his first title victory if he remained healthy. That Werdum loss wasn’t right, and it’s a valid victory for Fabricio but you can’t tell me that looked anything like Cain. Sure Werdums striking has improved but no where near the level required to sap the cardio of Velasquez

    Fedor and Cain are the heavyweight goats
     
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  5. MuyThaiElbows

    MuyThaiElbows Silver Belt

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    When talking about the best HW's of all time the top three is Fedor, Big Nog & Mirko.

    Cain had the potential to be the best HW of all time in the UFC, but was plagued with injuries. Hopefully he can come back and stay healthy and possibly get back to becoming dominant, but we won't know until he comes back.
     
  6. Taric

    Taric Gold Belt

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    Fedor, Nogueira, and Werdum are so much more accomplished than every other HW that it's absolutely disrespectful when anyone puts another fighter above them. It blows my mind. It's not even close.


    Fedor - #1 HW of all time


    #1 fighters defeated (1):
    Nogueira 1
    Top 5 fighters defeated (5):
    Nogueira 3
    Cro Cop
    Arlovski
    Sylvia
    Herring
    Top 10 fighters defeated (6):
    Coleman 1
    Hunt
    Randleman
    Schilt
    Rogers
    Fujita


    Nogueira - #2 HW of all time

    #1 fighters defeated (1):
    Coleman
    Top 5 fighters defeated (5):
    Cro Cop
    Sylvia
    Herring 1
    Barnett 2
    Rodriguez
    Top 10 fighters defeated (7):
    Couture
    Werdum
    Herring 2
    Kharitonov
    Schaub
    Schilt
    Overeem


    Werdum - #3 HW of all time

    #1 fighters defeated (2):
    Fedor
    Velasquez
    Top 5 fighters defeated (2):
    Hunt
    Browne
    Top 10 fighters defeated (6):
    Overeem
    Gonzaga
    Nelson
    Alexander Emelianenko
    Russow
    Erikson


    Stipe - #6 HW of all time

    #1 fighters defeated (1):
    Werdum
    Top 5 fighters defeated (3):
    Overeem
    JDS
    Ngnannou
    Top 10 fighters defeated (2):
    Arlovski
    Hunt

    JDS #4 and Overeem #5.
     
  7. infamousXX87XX

    infamousXX87XX Purple Belt

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    Fedor
    Nog
    Cro Cop
    Werdum

    You got guys like Mirko who have been fighting over 20 years at a very high level and of course in the fight game you will have ups and downs especially over 20 years. Not many people have CC's unique resume while Cain can barely even fight once every 2 years. Blows my mind how people forget
     
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    Electrifyin1 Purple Belt

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    Chael Sonnen is the greatest HW of all time
     
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  9. Fight Professor

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    His resume is obviously not there but he is based on his skills and potential.
     
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    Yeah isn't even top 5. He's just more Rogan hyperbole.
     
  11. Snuc3315

    Snuc3315 avoiding the grave for a while

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    I still think Cain could have defended more if the injury bug didnt get to him. He was as dominant as Fedor, or Miocic but couldnt put together as many nice wins. Werdum overall is someone only a dominant fighter really has the chance to beat.
     
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    Cain's prime years were wasted due to his injuries. It's a shame we never got to see if he could in fact beat Honda.

    Guess we will have to speculate
     
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    He only fought a handful of guys. Which is weird considering how long he’s been top 5.
     
  14. Snuc3315

    Snuc3315 avoiding the grave for a while

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    Sure in overall hall of fame like rankings, Cain isnt as high. Nor obviously was Brock, but they were very dangerous at a given time. Miocic is also up there with Mirko, with this string of huge wins. Hes just mid career so its harder to compare.
     
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    Now THIS ^ is a list that makes sense!
     
  16. MonkeyPickAss

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    Did you really just bring up brock?!?! Brock isnt even top 30.....
     
  17. Readybodisready

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    It didn't look like Cain because Werdum is a poisonous style matchup for him.

    Cain's weaknesses are Werdum's strengths, and even Cain's strengths are Werdum's strengths. He can't do the clinch mauling because Werdum Thai plums him and wrecks him with knees, hell he can pull guard from there and have the advantage back. He can't outstrike him on the outside because Werdum's taller limbs and height will pick him apart. He can't take him to the ground and GnP him because Fabricio will just submit him.

    Werdum>Cain
     
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  18. Voltron

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    The thing about Cain is that we saw him only a few times at 100% and those few times the guy was a fucking nightmare for any heavyweight in the world.
    Is a shame that injuries and above sea level didn’t let him accomplish more.
    He could have been the GOAT but shit happens.
    Still to this day an 80% Cain can become the champ and that’s is pretty impressive
     
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    Cain is a fighter that shows how MMA fans cannot decide if the word “greatest” refers to peak skill level or overall accomplishments
     
  20. daruckus

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    Sure, he may not be top 3 LATELY. But rest assured he will be back to whooping ass and you’ll be back to posting nonsense regardless. He can 100% smash Werdum. He had ring rust at altitude when he fought him. And he would give Stipe a real challenge. M******ckers like to forget what the man is capable of. It’s called hating. He a great fighter. Not as great as champ due to injuries. Khabib about to be champ and he’s also been plagued with injuries but you’d probably faint if he touched you.
     

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