International The U.K wants to ban Donald Trump for saying they're trying to disguise their massive Muslim problem

[barehanded]

But ban Trump!

Western Europeans gonna reap what they sow.

 

[Arkain2K]

British parliament debates banning Trump from UK​

LONDON — Donald Trump and Great Britain go back a long way, but their relationship will be tested to the limit Monday, when Parliament debates whether to ban the Republican presidential front-runner from the country.

The businessman turned politician faced a backlash after he called for Muslims to be temporarily barred from entering the United States and said that parts of London are "so radicalized the police are afraid for their lives.”

His comments spawned a petition to block him from entering the U.K. signed by more than 570,000 people, prompting Monday's debate.

Suzanne Kelly, the woman behind the petition drive, told USA TODAY she is “delighted” that the petition has resonated with so many people.

A contributing writer to the Aberdeen Voice news website, Kelly, 54, said that “long before” Trump’s remarks about Muslims, he was “insulting people of different religions and nationalities,” as well as singling out women.

Kelly said if people who peddle hate speech have been banned from Britain, then Trump should be barred, too. She said some people were not aware that "free speech is not the same as hate speech."

“Free speech doesn’t count for me running into a theater and yelling ‘fire,’” she said. “Any speech has responsibility. We cannot have this man be president.”

Trump's mother, Mary Anne, was born on the remote Scottish island of Lewis, and the business mogul is a sometime visitor to the United Kingdom’s shores.

He owns two golf resorts in Scotland — the Trump International Golf Links, near Aberdeen in the northeast, and the Turnberry Resort in the west.

Trump was dropped as a business ambassador for Scotland and stripped of an honorary degree by a Scottish university last month following his remarks. In an unrelated blow, Britain’s Supreme Court rejected his attempt to stop an offshore wind farm from being built near his golf resort in Aberdeenshire.

Nevertheless, Trump does have some supporters in Britain. Another petition calling for him not to be barred from the U.K. has garnered more than 42,000 signatures and will also be debated in parliament on Monday.

That petition, created by David Gladwin, said blocking the business mogul from the country is “completely illogical.”

“For starters we shouldn't be banning people for their opinions on domestic actions in a U.S. political race that doesn't concern us,” it says.

"But more importantly, if he does actually win the nomination, and then goes on to win the presidency, we then have to work with a man who we banned from our country in the first place — which totally offsets and upsets relations between two closely bonded countries," the petition states. “Leave the decision on making appropriate responses to the Americans. Let’s mind our own business.”

A file photo taken on May 27, 2010, shows Donald Trump posing with Scottish pipers during a visit to the construction site of his golf course on the Menie Estate near Aberdeen, Scotland.​

The home secretary can ban non-European Union nationals from Britain if their presence is considered “non-conducive to the public good.”

However, there is no requirement for the results of Monday's debate to be implemented.

Trump threatened to pull $1 billion of investments in his golf courses in Scotland “and all future investments we are currently contemplating in the United Kingdom” if he is banned from the country.

“Westminster would create a dangerous precedent and send a terrible message to the world that the United Kingdom opposes free speech and has no interest in attracting inward investment,” the Trump Organization said in a statement.

"This would also alienate the many millions of United States citizens who wholeheartedly support Mr Trump and have made him the forerunner by far in the 2016 presidential election.”

Prime Minister David Cameron has said he ”completely disagrees” with Trump’s comments, describing them as “divisive, unhelpful and quite simply wrong" but said he did not want to ban Trump from the country.

A government response to both petitions says: “The Government recognizes the strength of feeling against the remarks and will continue to speak out against comments which have the potential to divide our communities, regardless of who makes them. We reject any attempts to create division and marginalization amongst those we endeavour to protect.”


http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...h-parliament-debate-trump-petitions/78781614/

 

[Bald1]

Donald Trump could be BANNED from the UK after claiming Britain has a 'massive Muslim problem' and sparking a petition signed by 565,000 people




Donald Trump could be banned from entering the UK if he is deemed by ministers to be 'non-conducive to the public good', the Government has declared in response to the biggest ever petition on the Government website.

The petition to the government was created after the Republican presidential candidate made a series of outbursts about Britain's 'massive Muslim problem'.

Prime Minister David Cameron said Mr Trump's call to ban all Muslims from entering America was 'divisive, stupid and wrong' and ministers had steered clear of backing a ban on the controversial politician.

But in today's response to the petition, the Government made clear it acknowledged 'strength of feeling' behind the more than 565,000 signatures.
The Government used its response to outline its 'very serious' banning powers, warning they are not 'used lightly'.

It said: 'For good reasons the Government does not routinely comment on individual immigration and exclusion decisions.

'The Home Secretary may exclude a non-European Economic Area national from the UK if she considers their presence in the UK to be non-conducive to the public good.

'The Home Secretary has said that coming to the UK is a privilege and not a right and she will continue to use the powers available to prevent from entering the UK those who seek to harm our society and who do not share our basic values.

'Exclusion powers are very serious and are not used lightly. The Home Secretary will use these powers when justified and based on all available evidence.

'The Prime Minister has made clear that he completely disagrees with Donald Trump's remarks. The Home Secretary has said that Donald Trump's remarks in relation to Muslims are divisive, unhelpful and wrong.

'The Government recognises the strength of feeling against the remarks and will continue to speak out against comments which have the potential to divide our communities, regardless of who makes them.

'We reject any attempts to create division and marginalisation amongst those we endeavour to protect.'

MPs will decide whether to debate the petition in the new year.

The petition to the Government read: 'The signatories believe Donald J Trump should be banned from UK entry.

'The UK has banned entry to many individuals for hate speech. The same principles should apply to everyone who wishes to enter the UK.

'If they United Kingdom is to continue applying the 'unacceptable behaviour' criteria to those who wish to enter its borders, it must be fairly applied to the rich as well as the poor, and the weak as well as the powerful.'

Speaking to the Home Affairs committee of MP earlier this month, Home Secretary Theresa May said she would not comment on an individual case.

She said: 'I think we all agree that the comments Donald Trump made in relation to Muslims were divisive, unhelpful and wrong.

'In relation to the question of banning individuals from the UK, given the role I play in making those decisions, I don't comment on individual cases.

The decision on whether to ban anyone from the UK is made by the home secretary on the basis of the evidence at the time.'

Mr Trump has become an unlikely front runner in the race for the Republican presidential nomination, ahead of the contest to replace Barack Obama in the White House next year.

Despite sparking outrage with his remarks, Mr Trump's poll rating has appeared to move ever higher with each controversy.

The tycoon has remained defiant, accusing Britons of 'trying hard to disguise their massive Muslim problem' and said his critics are just 'pandering to political correctness'.

One of his most inflammatory Twitter messages about Britain has been retweeted more than 6,000 times.

In a series of outbursts he said 'UK politicians should be thanking me' for his claim that some of the country's Muslim communities are no-go areas because of extremism.

He also attacked 'out of touch' MPs who abused him over his demand for an end to Muslim immigration to America, tweeting: 'Everybody is wise to what is happening, very sad! Be honest!'

And he hit back at the hundreds of thousands signing the official petition demanding Mr Trump he be banned from Britain, writing on Twitter: 'They don't know what they're getting into'.

Mr Trump caused worldwide consternation after a string of incendiary remarks about Muslims in the United States.

He said he was 'calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on'.

Justifying his comments later, he claimed that in Britain 'we have places in London and other places that are so radicalised that police are afraid for their own lives'.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...strength-feeling-biggest-online-petition.html

So 565 000 UK muslims know how to use the Internet. Sweet!

 

[Arkain2K]

Cologne exposes a crisis in our continent, yet parliament is debating Donald Trump

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Europe is going through a period of radical change, but it is facing this with a process of radical self-distraction. Unwilling to face up to our problems we obsess over the responses to those problems. There have been some startling recent examples.

As the whole world now knows, on New Year’s Eve in Cologne, dozens of German women were sexually assaulted, apparently by some of that country’s more recent arrivals. For days the media across Europe declined to even report the story. It was only because of new media that the story began to get out at all. Then when the media did get around to reporting the story they covered it in that now-familiar way which suggests their job is not so much to report the facts as to negotiate between the facts and their fear over how the general public might react to those facts. Perhaps we should be grateful that there is any coverage a week after the attacks. After all, it took more than a decade for 1500 rapes in the north of England to make much news.

Yesterday the Guardian (where any male doing anything is usually a demonstration of ‘rape culture’) finally ran a piece suggesting that perhaps we shouldn’t cover up actual, real rape-culture such as that in Cologne, conceding that it hadn’t helped much with Rotherham. The piece was predictably hailed as brave and controversial because today it has indeed become brave and controversial to report the facts. Thinking aloud about any of the repercussions of those facts, however, remains the pursuit only of a madman.

This is a shame, because some free thought and discussion about what is going on could have been useful at an earlier stage. Last year, when Angela Merkel flung open Germany’s borders anyone who said, ‘Are you sure you know what you’re doing?’ was shouted down with cries of ‘racist’. Then, after about a million more people had come into the country even Chancellor Merkel started to wonder who they all were and whether they had all the right Germanic ideas. One minister finally said that they weren’t keen on letting many more anti-Semites into Germany. And now in the wake of the New Year’s Eve attack some politicians are saying they don’t really want people who aren’t even up to speed with even last millennia’s views on women. Perhaps it is too late and German women will indeed have to follow the advice of the Mayor of Cologne and take more care when out on the streets (‘No skirts. No trousers. Have you considered this lovely burka madam?’) Or perhaps an intensive period of workshops with new arrivals will settle it all amicably and swiftly. I suppose we will just have to hope so. In the meantime it turns out that the German police have been caught mis-representing the facts about who was doing the New Year’s Eve raping., and so we are now in the far more dangerous place where lies become the preserve not only of the fourth estate, but of the state itself.

This week saw the first anniversary of the Charlie Hebdo shootings, and one year after the day itself a man was shot dead while trying to storm a police station in Paris. Bad news stories like this from across the continent come in thick-and-fast these days. But what are people to do? Well one option would be to deal with the problem. Another is to partake in the sort of distraction offered by the folks of Twitter. In the wake of the latest Paris death they decided to amuse themselves by pretending that Donald Trump is so dumb that he thinks Paris is in Germany. Immediately after the latest Paris attack Trump sent out a tweet saying: ‘Man shot inside Paris police station. Just announced that terror threat is at highest level. Germany is a total mess – big crime. GET SMART!’

This was clearly referring to two separate problems. But the hashtag ‘#Paris Is In Germany’ trended all day. How hilarious! We don’t have to worry about all the troubles our continent because we have an American politician to laugh at.

Later this month the House of Commons will discuss the urgent issue of Mr Trump. This is because last month Trump said that he wanted to stop Muslim immigration into the US and added that Britain and Europe have a serious Muslim extremism problem. Because of this more than half a million people signed a petition calling for Trump to be barred from Britain. This now has to be debated in Parliament and doubtless all those MPs who rarely do much about problems they could deal with will grandstand their opposition to a foreign politician who doesn’t care what they think. In the last week we have been reminded that the British government not only doesn’t know who is coming into our country, but doesn’t even know who is leaving either. Still, it’s all fine so long as we divert ourselves by talking Trump.


http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/0...nent-yet-parliament-is-debating-donald-trump/

 

[Arkain2K]

The quote you posted of Trump's is nothing but factual. What else has he said?

What else do you need? The truth is enough to send the British parliament into a scramble.

Nothing wrong with that tweet. And the woman and her friends that were thrown out of Trumps rally were wearing yellow stars as if they were holocaust jews. Go with the intent of protesting and causing a scene, expect to get kicked out.

You're in the wrong thread.

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/muslim-woman-kicked-out-of-donald-trump-event.3147313/

Head on out over there instead of going off-topic here.

 

[Rex Kwon Do]

Pathetic. But not surprising. Liberals pay lip service to liberty, but really they only want liberty when it suits their own political aims. Say something that offends them? Clearly their ability to speak freely should be curbed. An alarmingly large majority of young Germans support curbing free speech.

Absolutely pathetic move by the Britons and Germans who support this nonsense. Donald Trump can't enter but I wonder how many politicians from various Middle Eastern, African, or Asian countries they've entertained over the years who have not only said worse but done worse? How many mass murderers have they clinked champagne glasses with?

Once again, fucking pathetic.

 

[Arkain2K]

British Parliament will have a three-hour debate on Donald Trump ban
Debate will take place on Monday 18 January at 4.30pm ​

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MPs will debate a motion on whether to ban Donald Trump from the UK for three hours on Monday, the House of Commons has confirmed.

More than 570,000 people have signed a petition demanding a debate in Parliament, easily passing the 100,000 threshold for motions to be considered for discussion in the Commons, but three hours is longer than is usually given to debates triggered by e-petitions.

The petition was started following the Republican candidate's controversial comments calling for a ban on all Muslims entering the United States until US authorities "can figure out" Muslim attitudes and claiming that London had become “so radicalised” the city’s police force are “afraid for their own lives”.

Labour MP Paul Flynn will lead the debate, which will also include a less popular petition urging politicians not to ban Mr Trump to ensure balance.

Mr Trump responded to the news of the petition's success by saying the signatories were ungrateful, claiming he had "done so much" for the UK and adding: "They don't know what they're getting into."

Ministers have rejected calls for Mr Trump to be blocked from entering the UK, saying we should instead invite him over to show the success of multiculturalism.

David Cameron described his comments as "divisive, stupid and wrong" and said Mr Trump should come to the UK because it would "unite us all against him".

The debate will take place from 4.30pm - 7.30pm in Westminster Hall, the overflow chamber for the parliamentary debate.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ump-from-the-uk-for-three-hours-a6812061.html

 

[Stoic1]

In a whacky bizarro not-to-distant future Trump is President and WWIII begins as Europe grasps at survival from the Muslim jihad. Trump tweets, "srry guys you're on your own. we've saved your asses in the last 2 big ones. you guys still denying the Muslim problem".

I could see it. Then again I have had a few drinks tonight.

 

[Stoic1]

Hey look, dupe post@!

 

[Arkain2K]

The U.K Paliament's Trump debate has begun, and it sounds like the ostricts still have their heads firmly burried in the sand.



I mean, you can't make this shit up!!!

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Here are the latest updates from the debate at the Palace of Westminster. All times are Eastern:

In nearly a millennium of history, the Palace of Westminster has played host to kings and queens, endured Nazi bombing raids and showed the world how a people could govern themselves through representative democracy.

But it has never seen a day quite like the one expected Monday, when the building’s cold stone walls will echo with a parliamentary debate over whether to ban from Britain the leading Republican contender for president of the United States.

It will be a strange moment for politics on both sides of the Atlantic. Normally, British officials avoid getting involved in U.S. politics — and vice versa. The Anglo-American alliance, a bedrock of Western security, is supposed to transcend politics.

More than a dozen MPs are due to speak in today’s debate.

They have been given 6 minutes each.

They include Labour’s shadow Home Affairs minister Jack Dromey, who told the Mirror Trump should not come within “1,000 miles of our shores”.

Also on the list is Tory Philip Davies, famous for his lengthy speeches and no fan of idealistic motions.

Other MPs due to speak include Home Affairs select committee chief Keith Vaz and Tories Tom Tugendhat, Steve Double and Kwasi Kwarteng.


11:30 a.m.: Labour's Paul Flynn opens debate

Westminster Hall, the Commons’ second-biggest debating chamber, is packed for the unusual debate.

Often it’s mostly empty. But these are no ordinary petitions.

The petition in favour of banning Donald Trump was the most popular in the history of Parliament’s system.

MPs are also debating a rival petition to NOT ban Donald Trump.

The debate begins with Flynn reading two petitions — one calling for Trump to be banned, and the other saying Britain should “mind our own business.” The petition favoring a ban attracted more than 570,000 signatures. The one opposing a ban received about 40,000. The debate is being held outside the main chamber of the House of Commons, with members gathered in a semi-circle. Several dozen members appear to be present.

11:34 a.m.: Flynn cites other cases when the United Kingdom enacted bans. Many of those, he says, involved “an immediate threat of violence,” which he stresses is different than this case.

11:39 a.m.: Flynn pays tribute to the Unites States as the land of “Abraham Lincoln, Martin Luther King and Barack Obama.” The debate, he says, isn’t about disrespecting the United States; it’s about the comments of one man.

11:42 a.m.: Flynn says as much as he disagrees with Trump, he worries that banning him would give him a “halo of martyrdom.”

11:44 a.m.: Flynn has been interrupted several times by other members, one of whom calls Trump “a ridiculous figure.” No one has expressed a word of support for Trump, and some have suggested Flynn may be going easy on him.

11:50 a.m. – Labour lawmaker Paul Flynn concludes with a turn-the-other-cheek message, saying Britain should respond to Trump’s “words of prejudice” with “a hand of friendship.” Flynn wants to invite Trump to Britain, and show him around. And with that, Flynn yields the floor. Looks like a lot of others are ready to speak.


11:53 a.m. – Tory MP Paul Scully blasts Trump’s favourite columnist Katie Hopkins for asking why MPs weren’t debating other things like immigration.

She blamed political correctness but he says: “It was nothing of that sort. It was because we’d already had an immigration debate which I led on back in October.”

He says it is not for this debate to order a ban on Mr Trump. Instead the decision is for Home Secretary Theresa May - “She will I’m sure be listening.”

Scully emphasizes that it’s not up to Parliament to decide whether Trump is banned. It’s up to the Home Secretary, Theresa May. But, he says: “I’m sure she’ll be listening.”

Scully says other bans have been enacted for reasons of “incitement or hatred.” Referring to the idea of banning Trump, he says: “I’ve never heard of one for stupidity. I’m not sure we should be starting now.”

Paul Scully says Trump’s comments were born out of “fear.” He says he wants to emphasize the positive contributions that immigrants make to British society.

 

[Winded Walrus]

this is hilarious! Donald Trump the international troll… Makes me like him even more!

 

[Winded Walrus]

they are reading his tweets, ha ha

 

[Corin7hian]

The U.K Paliament's Trump debate has begun, and it sounds like the ostricts still have their heads firmly burried in the sand.

I mean, you can't make this up!


https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...51d87a-ba14-11e5-85cd-5ad59bc19432_story.html

These people are fucking nuts. What the hell is going on In Europe

 

[glennrod]

After seeing the reaction to a muslim woman in a Trump rally today.....I can really see the comparison with Hitler. Before Hitler got in power he did use the exact same language about Jews and created hostile environment for them so people turned on them. Just like Trump said Syrian refugees are affiliated with ISIS.....this kind of language is really unhealthy.

That's not really fair, id say that a lot of muslim men are more like hitler, not the women

 

[goldennirvana]

That's just an admission they have a "massive Muslim problem". lol

 

[ShadowRun]

I bet more people in those country's would sign a petition to keep the Muslim refugees out

 

[3825 968]

keep the pbp coming!

 

[LucasWithLidOff]

After seeing the reaction to a muslim woman in a Trump rally today.....I can really see the comparison with Hitler. Before Hitler got in power he did use the exact same language about Jews and created hostile environment for them so people turned on them. Just like Trump said Syrian refugees are affiliated with ISIS.....this kind of language is really unhealthy.

You use the same language against Jews in many of your posts here, so coming from you, I'll just shake my head.

 

[hitcher]

That is an inaccurate Thread title, no? In case of Germany barely anybody cares about Trump, it is not even a topic that is known to any German sans the ones reading this thread.

 

[Arkain2K]

12:06 p.m. Tulip Siddiq, a Labour member from north London, is the next to rise, and she is angry!

She supports keeping Trump out, saying, “I draw the line at freedom of speech when it imports a violent ideology.” The government’s option to ban people is intended to protect the public. It should be applied to Trump, and he should be banned from visiting “the multicultural country that we are so proud of.”

Furious Labour MP Tulip Siddiq says Trump has insulted 1.6billion people - the world’s biggest religious community.

And she cites the “proud history that we have of welcoming immigrants, welcoming refugees and welcoming asylum seekers”.

Many people in Britain don’t like politics but the 500,000-strong petition shows “when people feel we have to stop a poisonous corrosive man from entering our country they will act in good conscience”.

Siddiq raises the case of a female blogger who was banned from the UK.

“Her crime was that she equated the entire Muslim population with the views of a handful of extremists,” she says. “Donald Trump’s views that Muslims are all the same are strikingly similar. Are we going to be making exceptions for billionaire politicians even when their words are falling short of the Home Office guidance?"

Anti Muslim hate crimes have increased in line with the rhetoric Donald Trump has been using” in the final months of 2015, she adds.

But Tory Philip Davies interrupts her to say: “Lots of my constituents would agree with what Donald Trump has said whether I like that or not”.

Other Tories interrupt to say many things incite violence by irresponsible people - including Parliament’s own rules.


12:10 pm. – Tory Sir Edward Leigh: "this is about shutting down the debate about immigration"

Tory Sir Edward Leigh, a Conservative backbencher, says we should NOT ban Donald Trump - the third to do so against one in favour.

Leigh praises Flynn’s measured opening speech. And he says he is not in favour of banning Trump. Trump could become leader of the US, he says.

And he is firmly in favour of free speech. There is no point only allowing free speech to those you agree with.

And this is about trying to “shut down the debate about immigration”, he says.

He says David Cameron’s article in the Times today made the point that Muslims need to learn from other immigrants about the importance of integrating.

He says petitions like this are a “bit of good fun” but they “play into Trump’s hands” because his entire politics is to thrive on controversy.

“It just gives Donald Trump publicity”, he says. “Why feed this machine?"

“I offend people all the time which is perfectly my right to do.”

He adds “you can’t transfer American politics to UK politics which is completely different.”

Edward Leigh lists a massive parade of people who were not banned from the UK despite controversial views adding: “We must be wary of lowering ourselves to demagoguery - infighting demagogues.”

“If we only allow freedom of speech for those we agree with, is that free speech at all?”