Economy 12 Years and $34 Billion Later, Canada's Trans Mountain Pipeline Expansion Is Set To Complete.

[Arkain2K]

Not all the First Nations are on board with the project and have vowed to to stop it even if it means another Oka.

It's now clear to me why Trudeau the Lesser made the highly unusual move to publically call out our justice system after Boushie verdict. He is that Balrog to the first Nation Gandalf.

The 41 First Nation communities along the pipeline route in B.C are on board and have already signed revenue-sharing agreements with KMI to reap the mutual benefits from the expansion project, that's all that matters.

Looks like the loudest opposing BC provincial groups are the ones not getting a piece of the pie, yet they are being propped up by the oppositions (and members of the media) as representatives of "THE First Nations community".

Here's their incredible insight on how the signed contracts by all the First Nations along and near the route "are not consent", because according to them, Kinder Morgan have to somehow get "100% support" from every single tribe in BC or some shit.
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"Deals are not consent on pipeline", says opposing First Nations amid split community
by LASIA KRETZEL AND KURTIS DOERING | Apr 16, 2018​

BC First Nations opposed to the Trans Mountain pipeline say even communities that have signed agreements with Kinder Morgan may not want the project to go forward.

Several First Nations, along with local and national representatives of Vancouver and Burnaby joined together to redouble their opposition to the expansion of the pipeline Monday, following a meeting between Premier John Horgan, Alberta Premier Rachel Notley and Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.

According to Kinder Morgan, 51 First Nation communities, including 41 agreements in B.C. have signed comprehensive mutual benefit agreements with the company. The number represents every First Nation along the pipeline route and 80 per cent of communities in proximity to the pipeline’s right-of-way.

“There are a number of First Nations that may have made whatever agreements that they had to make on their own behalf,” Squamish Nation Coun. Khelsilem Dustin Rivers said. “But that does not necessarily mean that these First Nations are in favour of the pipeline. It means that they have had to consult and be consulted by the government to ensure that there are some protections for their communities, but that does not translate into consent.”

Opposition to Trans Mountain project not universal across First Nations in BC



Some First Nation leaders have voiced their concern with provincial groups seemingly speaking for every community. Cheam Chief Ernie Crey said the public must be careful of “environmental groups who want to red wash their agendas under an Indigenous flag.”



"Let me be perfectly clear, no provincial Aboriginal organization speaks for the Cheam First Nation when it comes to the Kinder Morgan pipeline,” Crey said on social media. “My advice to some folks is be careful not to be too presumptuous.”

Crey supports the pipeline, saying it could benefit First Nation communities. He is also a co-chair of the indigenous advisory and monitoring committee, a 13-member group created by the federal government and funded by $64 million in tax dollars to monitor the pipeline’s construction.

Crey says many people don’t seem to realize that diluted bitumin is already making it to the coast — it’s just moving along rail lines, like the one near his community. He tells NEWS 1130he’s hearing from elders who fear that a derailment would dump that product right into the Fraser River.

“We want to see this pipeline constructed. And I don’t think it serves anyone’s interests to try to represent a single organization or a few spokesmen as the individuals who speak for all the Indigenous people in British Columbia.”

He notes no environmental group should speak for all First Nations, either. “A number of these environmental groups, to advance their own particular agenda, will take their agenda and fly it under an Indigenous or Aboriginal flag.”

It’s a practice he calls “red-washing.”

He adds that sometimes, the actions of environmental groups have been to the detriment of First Nations economies, like opposition to commerical trapping.

“All I’m saying is often our agendas do not match one another’s. So, it’s really important who you choose as your friends.”

Trans Mountain says it engaged with more than 130 First Nations and other indigenous groups as part of its application to the National Energy Board, which was approved. However, Union of B.C. Indian Chief’s Grand Chief Stewart Phillip says only 33 engaged in non-binding exploratory discussions with Kinder Morgan.

“You have to have 100 per cent support. That’s just the nature of our land rights, our jurisdiction and this whole issue,” Phillip said.

He says the $7.4-billion pipeline does not have the support of First Nations and Trudeau has violated his own commitments when it comes to consent for the project.

http://www.news1130.com/2018/04/16/pipeline-first-nations-split-community/

 

[3825 968]

Lets get it out of the ground and use it up as quickly as possible. That way there wont be anything to argue over! Haha

 

[Arkain2K]

 

[Arkain2K]

Summer forecast for B.C.: Dry service stations, gas prices of $2 per litre
'Half of the gas stations would be going through rolling blackouts ... with stations having no fuel at all'

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British Columbia should prepare for a tumultuous summer as Alberta plans to retaliate against pipeline roadblocks by turning off the taps, says a petroleum industry analyst.

The sudden loss of oil export from Alberta to the west coast would wreak havoc on the B.C. economy, said Dan McTeague, a senior analyst with the website GasBuddy.com.

Already high gas prices would surge beyond $2 per litre and limited supplies would quickly run dry, McTeague said.

"Beyond just the price shock, you would also have some trouble servicing all your gas stations," McTeague said.

"At least half of the stations would be going through rolling blackouts, or at least shutdowns, with stations having no fuel at all for several days."

The Alberta government says it intends to limit exports if B.C. continues to block Kinder Morgan's Trans Mountain pipeline expansion.

Bill 12, introduced by Alberta's NDP government on Monday, gives Energy Minister Marg McCuaig-Boyd wide discretionary power to limit shipments of oil, gas and refined products to B.C.

'This would be pervasive'

The impact of fuel shortages would spill over into the national economy, McTeague said. It would undercut the value of the Canadian dollar, and send markets into a downturn.

"This would be pervasive," McTeague said. "Your marine system would be affected, the airlines would be impacted.

"Your mining, your forestry, your agriculture industries — all of which rely on fossil fuels like diesel — would be hit hard to the point where there would be significant economic consequences."

If Alberta does retaliate, there would be little recourse for B.C. which is acutely dependent on Alberta oil and lacks the infrastructure to source it from other markets, McTeague said.

"There is no one else out there that is going sell gasoline into this market," he said.

"You just don't have the logistics or the infrastructure to handle that and storage capacity would also be a challenge.

"This can't be done overnight. It would take several months, if not years of planning, and that's clearly not what would happen in this scenario."

'They are not bluffing'

B.C. Attorney General David Eby told reporters at the B.C. legislature Tuesday that Bill 12 is unconstitutional. He described it as a political bluff and suggested that Alberta has no intention of ever delivering on its threat.

But McTeague said the B.C. government should be taking the threats more seriously. Alberta has no choice but to defend itself, he said.

"I suspect that Alberta is going to have to make it abundantly clear that they are not bluffing as the attorney general seems to indicate in his press releases," he said.

"I find that disturbing. I'm not sure if they live in an another world, in that part of the political spectrum, but the reality is that this could very well happen and if it does, we all lose."

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.4624840

 

[Orgasmo]

BC's economy is heavily dependent on fishing and tourism, both of which requires pristine environment to be sustainable. The expansion of current pipeline would increase the amount of crude oil delivered to ports in Vancouver by threefold, and increase oil tanker traffic 7 times. With the increase in crude oil volume, so does the risk of a major spill. It would absolutely ruin the economy of BC, especially Vancouver since the route goes through the heart of the city. We're talking about tens of billions of dollars, enough to bring the province into economic depression and bankruptcy.

Unless Alberta is willing to finance the total cost of any cleanup and economic fallout from spills, BC should continue fighting this project. Alberta's lifeline may be oil, but BC's lifeline is its environment. BC shouldn't take all the risks while Alberta gets all the profits.

 

[gatchaman]

Her province, she said, will consider buying into the project if that's what it takes to get it done. She warned of the economic damage being done by the delay — not just to her province but to British Columbia, where fellow NDP Premier John Horgan remains adamant that the project poses a threat to both coastline and climate.

Climate change is more real to Notley and Trudeau when it comes to individual unconnected Canadians paying carbon taxes. Horgan is also looking to get paid.

 

[uppercutbus]

When your custom character is in a cutscene.

 

[Deleted member 263856]

BC's economy is heavily dependent on fishing and tourism, both of which requires pristine environment to be sustainable. The expansion of current pipeline would increase the amount of crude oil delivered to ports in Vancouver by threefold, and increase oil tanker traffic 7 times. With the increase in crude oil volume, so does the risk of a major spill. It would absolutely ruin the economy of BC, especially Vancouver since the route goes through the heart of the city. We're talking about tens of billions of dollars, enough to bring the province into economic depression and bankruptcy.

Unless Alberta is willing to finance the total cost of any cleanup and economic fallout from spills, BC should continue fighting this project. Alberta's lifeline may be oil, but BC's lifeline is its environment. BC shouldn't take all the risks while Alberta gets all the profits.

The risk increases but it is in no way likely or certain. There's already a 1,5 billion ocean protection plan in place and no an unlikely spill wouldn't destroy the economy of BC. BC's main export is coal, not the environment or fishing or tourism you silly goose.

 

[Bald1]

BC's economy is heavily dependent on fishing and tourism, both of which requires pristine environment to be sustainable. The expansion of current pipeline would increase the amount of crude oil delivered to ports in Vancouver by threefold, and increase oil tanker traffic 7 times. With the increase in crude oil volume, so does the risk of a major spill. It would absolutely ruin the economy of BC, especially Vancouver since the route goes through the heart of the city. We're talking about tens of billions of dollars, enough to bring the province into economic depression and bankruptcy.

Unless Alberta is willing to finance the total cost of any cleanup and economic fallout from spills, BC should continue fighting this project. Alberta's lifeline may be oil, but BC's lifeline is its environment. BC shouldn't take all the risks while Alberta gets all the profits.

BCs economy is heavily dependant on Alberta oil.

Now write a post keeping that truth in mind.


And, go...

 

[Orgasmo]

The risk increases but it is in no way likely or certain. There's already a 1,5 billion ocean protection plan in place and no an unlikely spill wouldn't destroy the economy of BC. BC's main export is coal, not the environment or fishing or tourism you silly goose.

Why do you think foreigners come to BC for investment and residence? It ain't for the oil or the coal. The province has one of the best environments in the world, and Vancouver is consistently top 3 most livable cities in the world. Mining, oil and gas sector in BC only accounts for 1% of the employed workforce, and none of those make the top 5 sectors.

We're not committing potential economic suicide for a few thousand jobs. That $1.5 billion protection plan is a drop in the bucket if a major spill occurs near Vancouver, which will instantly sink the BC economy. Maybe you should educate yourself before posting.

BCs economy is heavily dependant on Alberta oil.

Now write a post keeping that truth in mind.


And, go...

You can stop being an idiot anytime now. We're not "dependent" on Alberta oil, as the industry chart clearly indicate. No need to thank me for dropping facts. Oil and mining are shrinking industries in BC with grim future prospect, just like Alberta.

 

[3825 968]

Where is tourism in your chart?

 

[Orgasmo]

Where is tourism in your chart?

You're welcome.

https://www.bcstats.gov.bc.ca/Files...b8375cd48f_37844/TourismGDPandEmployment.xlsx
http://credbc.ca/role-energy-sector-bcs-economy/

Instead, the biggest employers in the province are:

• Construction – 205,000 jobs
• Manufacturing – 164,000 jobs
• Tourism – 127,000 jobs
• Real estate and property development – 121,000 jobs

The film sector adds an additional 36,000 jobs and the technology sector employs 84,000 people – more than oil, mining, gas and forestry combined.

 

[Bald1]

Why do you think foreigners come to BC for investment and residence? It ain't for the oil or the coal. The province has one of the best environments in the world, and Vancouver is consistently top 3 most livable cities in the world. Mining, oil and gas sector in BC only accounts for 1% of the employed workforce, and none of those make the top 5 sectors.

We're not committing potential economic suicide for a few thousand jobs. That $1.5 billion protection plan is a drop in the bucket if a major spill occurs near Vancouver, which will instantly sink the BC economy. Maybe you should educate yourself before posting.


You can stop being an idiot anytime now. We're not "dependent" on Alberta oil, as the industry chart clearly indicate. No need to thank me for dropping facts.

I haven't even started being an idiot yet. I'm saving that for my visit to the Okanagan this summer. Gonna put a slip tank in my truck and laugh my ass off at gas being well over $1.60/L. Yes Skippy, higher fuel costs absolutely do have negative effects on the economy. Especially ones dependant on movement of people and goods.

Now, do you want to acknowledge that there's more to this situation than the environment, or do you want to act the cunt and look more foolish with each exchange? BC is the not an independent entity.

 

[3825 968]

Too bad the average compensation for tourism jobs is 35k. Paying 2$/l on that wage will make it tough on those folks.

http://www.tiabc.ca/advocacy-policy-development/bctourismmatters/tourism-by-the-numbers/

 

[splendica]

This thread reads like the AB premier Notley subconsciously swallowing her Conservative/right wing red pill. Also known as growing up.

 

[Deleted member 263856]

Why do you think foreigners come to BC for investment and residence? It ain't for the oil or the coal. The province has one of the best environments in the world, and Vancouver is consistently top 3 most livable cities in the world. Mining, oil and gas sector in BC only accounts for 1% of the employed workforce, and none of those make the top 5 sectors.

We're not committing potential economic suicide for a few thousand jobs. That $1.5 billion protection plan is a drop in the bucket if a major spill occurs near Vancouver, which will instantly sink the BC economy. Maybe you should educate yourself before posting.


You can stop being an idiot anytime now. We're not "dependent" on Alberta oil, as the industry chart clearly indicate. No need to thank me for dropping facts. Oil and mining are shrinking industries in BC with grim future prospect, just like Alberta.

You are quoting employment numbers not revenue generated. Real estate/Construction is the biggest revenue generator followed by forestry, energy and mining (they are shrinking thanks to your new government). Now if you could tell me what happens to those industries especially construction if your gas prices hit 2 or 2.50 a litre. Again you're assuming that your whole economy collapses in the event of a very unlikely oil spill (you should really check out all the measures put in place). Your whole province or coast won't be overtaken by oil if a spill happens and the tourists and residents won't escape in droves and construction won't stop. 1,5 billion is more than enough especially since in all likelihood nothing will happen. When the pipeline is built no one will notice any difference. There's so much hypocrisy going on in BC and people like you are falling for Horgan's political games. I'm tired of typing now, it doesn't matter what I say you're not going to change your opinion anyway so why bother.

 

[gatchaman]

This thread reads like the AB premier Notley subconsciously swallowing her Conservative/right wing red pill. Also known as growing up.

Except the Alison Redford Conservatives who preceded her were even worse. Reanimate Ralph Klein!

 

[Arkain2K]

Alberta’s fuel-ban bill ‘a bluff,’ B.C. attorney general says
By Dirk Meissner | April 17, 2018

B.C. Attorney General David Eby shot back at proposed Alberta legislation that would restrict how much oil could be transported to his province, saying it was clearly not intended to be used. ​

VICTORIA—British Columbia’s attorney general says Alberta’s proposed fuel restriction law is a politically motivated “bluff” that will result in an immediate lawsuit from his province and likely lawsuits from oil companies.

David Eby said government legal experts looked at the Alberta legislation tabled Monday and concluded it’s unconstitutional, against the law and designed to not be enacted.

“Clearly the legislation is a bluff,” Eby said Tuesday. “They don’t intend to use it. If they did try to use it we would be in court immediately seeking an injunction to stop them from using it, but we would probably have to get in line behind oil companies that would be concerned about contracts that they have with companies in B.C. to deliver product.”

Eby said he believed the Alberta legislation was intended to never be adopted, but if Alberta Premier Rachel Notley’s government does pass the law, then B.C. will immediately launch court action.

“We think they are very unlikely to use this, given the analysis and we think they know it, and it is a bill for political purposes only,” Eby said in the legislature Tuesday during question period.

Notley said the legislation sends the message that Alberta is prepared to defend its resources.

It would direct pipeline companies, truckers and rail operators on how much oil product they ship and when. Violators would face fines of up to $1 million a day for individuals and $10 million a day for corporations.

Saskatchewan Premier Scott Moe said Tuesday his province will support Alberta in the fight over the Trans Mountain pipeline expansion by introducing its own legislation on oil exports.

He said his government will bring in a bill in the coming days that could result in less oil moving to British Columbia. Moe said he wants the Saskatchewan legislation passed shortly so it can work in tandem with Alberta’s legislation.

The Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers called the Alberta bill a “very strong tool” it hoped was not needed.

B.C. Opposition Liberal jobs critic Jas Johal said the province must end the escalating dispute before gas prices increase sharply in Metro Vancouver.

“Without Alberta’s energy, B.C.’s economy would come to a standstill,” he said. “The B.C. premier (John Horgan) created this crisis; will he fix this mess before gas prices hit $2 a litre?”

Gasoline prices in Metro Vancouver are currently hovering near $1.55 a litre.

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada...an-bill-a-bluff-bc-attorney-general-says.html

 

[Arkain2K]

BC's economy is heavily dependent on fishing and tourism, both of which requires pristine environment to be sustainable. The expansion of current pipeline would increase the amount of crude oil delivered to ports in Vancouver by threefold, and increase oil tanker traffic 7 times. With the increase in crude oil volume, so does the risk of a major spill.

Unless Alberta is willing to finance the total cost of any cleanup and economic fallout from spills, BC should continue fighting this project.

I completely agree that pipeline operators needs to have enough cash/insurance to cover for any damages resulting from pipeline leaks (right now Canadian laws pecks that at $1 Billion), but surely you're not suggesting that oil producers should be held liable for the tanker shipping companies, instead of - oh I don't know - the tanker shipping companies?

If a Mitsui OSK, Euronav, or Teekay tanker captain fucks up at sea and spill their load in the Vancouver harbor, why would you hold the drillers/refiners/pipeline operators from an entirely different company all the way back in Alberta responsible?

For the record, I believe the minimum amount of oil transport liability insurance currently set by the Canadian government for transport of oil is woefully inadequate. I believe each foreign oil tanker pulling into port or a domestic oil train leaving the station SHOULD have proof that they're carrying enough liability insurance to clean up the entire cargo in their haul.

But trying to hold Alberta responsible for any future foreign tankers accidents is absolutely ridiculous, when they have absolutely no control over the global shipping companies that are allowed to enter port and takes on cargo ordered by their customers.

Liability Insurance for Transport of Oil

Insurance for Railways

The recent railway disaster in Lac-Mégantic, Quebec, involving a train operated by Montreal, Maine & Atlantic Railway (MM&A), highlighted the problem of insufficient insurance for environmental liability. MM&A had insurance coverage of only $25 million, but the Quebec government estimates the cleanup costs will be closer to $200 million. MM&A’s level of insurance had been deemed acceptable by the Canadian Transportation Agency, which provides a Certificate of Fitness to any federally regulated railway before it can operate. There is currently no requirement for public consultation or notice regarding the level of insurance.

In August 2013, the Canadian Transportation Agency announced that it would undertake a consultation and review of adequacy of third party liability insurance coverage requirements for federally regulated railways, although it emphasized that it is unaware of any federally regulated railway having insufficient insurance to cover incurred claims in the previous10 years. The agency is engaging in public consultation and will likely recommend improvements to the regulatory framework set out in the Railway Third Party Liability Insurance Coverage Regulations at some point in 2014.

Insurance for Pipelines

Development of any new pipeline requires significant investment and is subject to an intensive and public environmental assessment process, as demonstrated by Enbridge’s application for its proposed Northern Gateway Pipeline. The National Energy Board, which is responsible for environmental assessments for pipelines, can, as part of the assessment process investigate the operator’s ability to pay for potential damage. This is a much more public and transparent process than the Canadian Transportation Agency’s process for issuing Certificates of Fitness for railways, which have been able to start shipping oil in tank cars along an existing routes without drawing much attention.

Further, on June 26, 2013, Canada’s Minister of Natural Resources announced that legislation will be introduced requiring oil pipeline operators to demonstrate the financial capacity to pay for any damage caused by spills or incidents. For major pipelines, the government indicates that it will require a minimum financial capability of $1 billion. In addition, the legislation is to require companies to appoint a senior officer responsible for compliance of management systems and programs, and for ensuring that emergency and environmental plans are transparent and available to the public.

http://blog.stpub.com/bid/193255/Canadian-Oil-Industry-Liability-Insurance-for-Rail-vs-Pipeline

 

[splendica]

Except the Alison Redford Conservatives who preceded her were even worse. Reanimate Ralph Klein!

It would be nice if that man would indeed be reanimated. That was a time when developing and operating with a modest multi-billion emergency fund was thought to fend off the wolves of dark times.

It's sad how Deep State has kept Alberta from being the oil power that it should be through lowering oil prices, increased regulation and Soros (and the like) funded zombie activism.