Economy 12 Years and $34 Billion Later, Canada's Trans Mountain Pipeline Expansion Is Nearing The Finish Line.

I just don't understand being against safe pipes. The oil will be shipped. Either it gets piped out safely, or it gets shipped by more expensive rail which puts the environment and human lives in danger.

This is such a simple matter. I don't understand those on the Left who can't see simple truths.
 
No suitors emerge for pipeline stake as Kinder Morgan deadline looms
Dan Healing | May 23, 2018

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CALGARY - With just over a week remaining until the May 31 deadline set for abandoning its Trans Mountain pipeline expansion, no suitors have publicly emerged to step into builder Kinder Morgan Canada Ltd.'s shoes.

Analysts and observers say they remain perplexed by Finance Minister Bill Morneau's comment last week that “plenty of investors would be interested in taking on this project,” after the federal government said it would offer an “indemnity” or insurance to guarantee it is built.

Kinder Morgan said Monday it has nothing to add to last week's statement from CEO Steve Kean in which he repeated the May 31 deadline and said that discussions are ongoing but “we are not yet in alignment.”

It's difficult to guess who might take Kinder Morgan's place without knowing what guarantees or deals are being offered by the federal government and possibly the province of Alberta, said Samir Kayande, a director with RS Energy Group in Calgary.

He pointed out that the richer the deal, the longer the list of potential replacements for Kinder Morgan, which could include pension or private equity funds.

“There is still time to get something done around a guarantee of some sort that will satisfy Kinder Morgan,” he said in an interview on Monday.

“It really depends on the scope of the federal and provincial guarantees that are going to be offered. The governments are in kind of a tough spot here because if anyone does step in, it's going to take them months or longer, potentially, to ramp up the whole effort.”

The federal government has said its indemnity and suggestion of the entry of a third party gives it an advantage as it negotiates with Kinder Morgan but Dennis McConaghy, a former TransCanada Corp. executive and industry analyst, said he disagrees.

He said it would be a “political disaster” for both Morneau and Alberta Premier Rachel Notley if the pipeline in-service date is delayed beyond 2020 because both governments have staked their reputations on it being built.

“I've been very skeptical about the advent of third parties,” said McConaghy. “This deal has to get done with Kinder if the focus is to get the pipeline in service by 2020.

“This project is essentially an expansion and a debottlenecking of an existing pipeline so it's very difficult to build the project without selling the original Trans Mountain asset, which is of course a very complicated prospect.”

He said the cost and delays involved in bringing in a third party makes it clear that the federal government's best bet is to reach an agreement with Kinder Morgan.

Meanwhile, finance officials had no new details to report in an email received Monday.

Trans Mountain has been operating since the 1950s, carrying as much as 300,000 barrels a day of oil and refined fuels from Edmonton to the Vancouver area, where it connects with a line carrying crude to refineries in Washington state.

The planned tripling to 890,000 barrels a day could give Canada access to alternative markets as booming production from U.S. shale plays reduces Canada's biggest customer's need to import northern oil.

B.C. is fighting the pipeline in the federal Court of Appeal and in B.C. Supreme Court. It has also referred to the B.C. Court of Appeal its own proposed legislation to cap oil shipments across the province.

Enbridge Inc., North America's biggest crude pipelines operator, has denied it is negotiating to take over the Trans Mountain expansion project. Rival pipeline company TransCanada Corp. didn't respond to a request for comment on Monday.

Oilsands producer Cenovus Energy Inc., a company hit hard by oil price discounts in the first quarter and a committed shipper on the project, refused comment when asked if it is interested in buying a stake in the project.

Kinder Morgan says it has already spent $1.1 billion of estimated $7.4 billion price of the project.

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/no-suitors-emerge-for-pipeline-stake-as-kinder-morgan-deadline-looms-1.3941580
 
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I wouldn't mind if Enbridge or TransCanada took over the pipeline as long as construction is not delayed.

They both already publicly balked at that idea, as the cancellation of the Northern Gateway and Energy East project still leave bitter taste in everyone's mouth, and there's absolutely nothing so far that ensure Trans Mountain can proceed as plan. Nobody want to throw billions down the drain while this project is tied up in court.

If Kinder Morgan walks away, the only one left holding the basket would be the Canadian government itself.


EDITORIAL: Trudeau, Notley will wear some blame if Trans Mountain vanishes
Edmonton Sun | May 26, 2018

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By Thursday, the fate of Kinder Morgan’s Trans Mountain Expansion project should be much clearer. That’s the deadline (May 31) the company set to make a firm decision whether to keep going with the pipeline or not.

Since the one thing that has bothered the company most all along has been the obstructionism of the B.C., and since B.C.’s opposition hasn’t changed, there is no reason to believe Kinder Morgan will go ahead.

So then what happens?

The company could swallow the $1 billion it has already lost and just walk away. And both the federal and Alberta governments could let it. That would end of any chance of getting Alberta oil to tidewater and to foreign markets, other than the U.S.A.

Since that option would hurt the federal Liberals’ re-election chances and end the Alberta NDP’s, it is unlikely the pipeline will die completely even if Kinder Morgan checks out.

Ottawa and Alberta could “indemnify” Kinder Morgan, as federal Finance Minister Bill Morneau proposed two weeks ago. The federal and provincial governments could use tax dollars to underwrite any losses the company suffers as a result of delays caused by protests, political power plays and court challenge.

But if Kinder Morgan decides to get out completely – indemnity or not – then the only option left is to find another buyer. Since it seems unlikely any private investor will step up, that leaves either the federal or Alberta government, or some combination of both.

And that’s nearly as bad as no pipeline at all.

Kinder Morgan knows Ottawa and Alberta are desperate. The feds and the province need this pipeline far more than the company does. So the asking price will be high – likely higher than market value.

Through their green-obsessed policies, the Trudeau and Notley governments have, in three short years, driven away at least $35 billion in energy sector investment, and very likely much, much more.

They both abandoned the Northern Gateway pipeline. And when the Trudeau government changed the regulatory rules and killed Energy East, Premier Rachel Notley couldn’t even be bothered to hold a news conference. She merely issued a press release expressing mild disappointment.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau also banned most tanker traffic off the West Coast and created a new environmental assessment board that makes future energy megaprojects all but impossible.

In other words, the Trudeau and Notley governments have to have Trans Mountain because they have ruined hope for any alternatives. They’ve put all their oil eggs in one pipeline basket.

So what would it mean to have a government-owned pipeline?

Nothing good.

The line would almost certainly end up costing double. It would take twice as long to complete and never come close to moving the volume of bitumen Kinder Morgan could have shipped with its eyes closed.

An Ottawa-Alberta pipeline might well not even generate enough revenue to cover the tax dollars it would cost.

Let’s hope it doesn’t come to that. But if it does, make no mistake, the fault will be Ottawa’s and Alberta’s every bit as much as B.C.’s.

http://edmontonsun.com/opinion/edit...ll-wear-some-blame-if-trans-mountain-vanishes
 
They both already publicly balked at that idea, as the cancellation of the Northern Gateway and Energy East project still leave bitter taste in everyone's mouth, and there's absolutely nothing so far that ensure Trans Mountain can proceed as plan. Nobody want to throw billions down the drain while this project is tied up in court.

If Kinder Morgan walks away, the only one left holding the basket would be the Canadian government itself.


EDITORIAL: Trudeau, Notley will wear some blame if Trans Mountain vanishes
Edmonton Sun | May 26, 2018

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By Thursday, the fate of Kinder Morgan’s Trans Mountain Expansion project should be much clearer. That’s the deadline (May 31) the company set to make a firm decision whether to keep going with the pipeline or not.

Since the one thing that has bothered the company most all along has been the obstructionism of the B.C., and since B.C.’s opposition hasn’t changed, there is no reason to believe Kinder Morgan will go ahead.

So then what happens?

The company could swallow the $1 billion it has already lost and just walk away. And both the federal and Alberta governments could let it. That would end of any chance of getting Alberta oil to tidewater and to foreign markets, other than the U.S.A.

Since that option would hurt the federal Liberals’ re-election chances and end the Alberta NDP’s, it is unlikely the pipeline will die completely even if Kinder Morgan checks out.

Ottawa and Alberta could “indemnify” Kinder Morgan, as federal Finance Minister Bill Morneau proposed two weeks ago. The federal and provincial governments could use tax dollars to underwrite any losses the company suffers as a result of delays caused by protests, political power plays and court challenge.

But if Kinder Morgan decides to get out completely – indemnity or not – then the only option left is to find another buyer. Since it seems unlikely any private investor will step up, that leaves either the federal or Alberta government, or some combination of both.

And that’s nearly as bad as no pipeline at all.

Kinder Morgan knows Ottawa and Alberta are desperate. The feds and the province need this pipeline far more than the company does. So the asking price will be high – likely higher than market value.

Through their green-obsessed policies, the Trudeau and Notley governments have, in three short years, driven away at least $35 billion in energy sector investment, and very likely much, much more.

They both abandoned the Northern Gateway pipeline. And when the Trudeau government changed the regulatory rules and killed Energy East, Premier Rachel Notley couldn’t even be bothered to hold a news conference. She merely issued a press release expressing mild disappointment.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau also banned most tanker traffic off the West Coast and created a new environmental assessment board that makes future energy megaprojects all but impossible.

In other words, the Trudeau and Notley governments have to have Trans Mountain because they have ruined hope for any alternatives. They’ve put all their oil eggs in one pipeline basket.

So what would it mean to have a government-owned pipeline?

Nothing good.

The line would almost certainly end up costing double. It would take twice as long to complete and never come close to moving the volume of bitumen Kinder Morgan could have shipped with its eyes closed.

An Ottawa-Alberta pipeline might well not even generate enough revenue to cover the tax dollars it would cost.

Let’s hope it doesn’t come to that. But if it does, make no mistake, the fault will be Ottawa’s and Alberta’s every bit as much as B.C.’s.

http://edmontonsun.com/opinion/edit...ll-wear-some-blame-if-trans-mountain-vanishes

Edmonton Sun leans right pretty hard but that doesn't mean they're wrong. Interesting times nevertheless. Mourneau is holding a press conference in Calgary on Wednesday (a day before the deadline) we'll know more then.
 
This government is in need of a good lynching.

They're indebting the nation as strategy to fiscally destroy a future conservative government as part of a long term campaign strategy spanning decades.
 
This government is in need of a good lynching.

They're indebting the nation as strategy to fiscally destroy a future conservative government as part of a long term campaign strategy spanning decades.

Instead of lawyers and career politicians who are only interested in staying in power we need solid economists running the country. Our current leaders couldn't care less about Canada's economic health as long as they're sitting on top of the shitpile.
 
Instead of lawyers and career politicians who are only interested in staying in power we need solid economists running the country. Our current leaders couldn't care less about Canada's economic health as long as they're sitting on top of the shitpile.

They're literally bankrupting the country in order to render future conservative governments ineffective and to buy votes. The Ontario and federal governments are Marxist scumbags. Canadians are heavily leveraged, it's time to build the economy not time to hand cuff it.
 
They're literally bankrupting the country in order to render future conservative governments ineffective and to buy votes. The Ontario and federal governments are Marxist scumbags. Canadians are heavily leveraged, it's time to build the economy not time to hand cuff it.

Canada could easily be one of the energy superpowers of the world. Trans Mountain, Energy East and Northern Gateway would already be built if the politicians would care about more than pandering to the left.
 
I guess I'm not able to provide an unbiased opinion.
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I have lived long term and traveled extensively in NS, BC, Ont and Alberta as well as most of Canada. My unbiased opinion is they all have benefits and drawbacks. What do you base your opinion on?
 
Moody's warns Trans Mountain failure would be major blow to Alberta economy
Ottawa's promise to backstop financial losses not enough to calm worried investors, agency says
CBC News · Posted: May 24, 2018

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An influential international credit rating agency says the Trans Mountain pipeline dispute is "credit negative" for Alberta, even taking into account Ottawa's pledge to compensate the project's backers for money lost due to B.C.'s attempts to block the project.

Moody's Investors Service published a report Thursday saying that although the Canadian government's indemnity plan eases some of the credit risks, it's lacking in detail and might not be sufficient to shore up private sector interest.

"Overall, the dispute is credit negative for the Province of Alberta … as the project's cancellation would represent a potentially significant loss in revenue, increase its energy transportation costs and diminish future energy infrastructure investment and oil development at a time when the province is already forecasting a prolonged period of deficits and rapidly rising debt," the report says.

The federal government announced on May 16 that the federal government is willing to compensate Kinder Morgan, or any other backers that might take over the project, for any financial loss due to British Columbia's attempts to obstruct the company's $7.4-billion pipeline expansion.

The B.C. government is proposing to amend its Environmental Protection Act with new regulations mandating that companies seeking to bring more diluted bitumen through B.C. would need a permit from the province.

Kinder Morgan has threatened to abandon the project if a clear path forward isn't reached by May 31.

Finance Minister Bill Morneau has not said how much the government is willing to spend to cover losses accumulated because of B.C.'s efforts to block the project.

'Significant implications'

The Moody's paper argues that Alberta's fiscal situation would be significantly worsened if Trans Mountain is scrapped, given that the province is banking on that project — along with Keystone XL and Enbridge's Line 3 replacement — to add an additional $10.5 billion in royalties over the next five years.

"The project's cancellation would also have significant implications for investor confidence given that it would be the third major pipeline project failure in Alberta following the cancellation of Enbridge's Northern Gateway project in 2016 (following federal objection) and TransCanada's Energy East pipeline project in 2017 (following regulatory hurdles and political pressure)," the report says.

"In our view, a lack of successfully completed cross-border pipeline projects could ultimately impact TransCanada's decision whether to proceed with the Keystone XL project."

University of Calgary economist Trevor Tombe says it's hard to overstate the importance of the Trans Mountain expansion.

"Royalties are based on the industry revenue here. Alberta's oil price is low because of a high differential. That translates directly into lower royalties. There will also be fewer barrels produced. If new pipeline capacity doesn't come on line, then a lower return on investment for producers means less investment," he said.

"Without that additional royalty revenue, debt levels will be higher, and that's why an organization like Moody's is concerned about the issue."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...r-morgan-bc-alberta-credit-negative-1.4676315
 
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I guess I'm not able to provide an unbiased opinion.
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Are you capable of contributing at least a semi-decent opinion on the actual topic of discussion here?

If not, you don't really need to be here. There are plenty of mediocre threads in this neighborhood that would welcome and embrace valuable contributions of your caliber.
 
Green Party Leader Elizabeth May pleads guilty to criminal contempt for violating court injunction
Yvette Brend · CBC News · Posted: May 28, 2018

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Green Party Leader Elizabeth May was arrested in March at a protest against Kinder Morgan's Trans Mountain pipeline expansion project.


Green Party Leader Elizabeth May has pleaded guilty in B.C. Supreme Court to criminal contempt for her role in a Trans Mountain pipeline protest.

It was agreed by the special prosecutor and the politician's lawyer that she should pay a $500 fine.

But — despite May's apology through her lawyer for her actions — Justice Kenneth Affleck said $500 was not enough. He ordered her to pay a $1,500 fine.

The judge said May had exploited her office for media attention, so a stiffer penalty was warranted.

He noted that she has a position of influence, and her actions might sway others to breach court orders.

Outside court, May said she accepted her penalty and reassured people that the offence was not listed under the Criminal Code, so it would not affect her ability to travel or work as a member of Parliament.

"I'm not a convicted criminal," said May.

She was arrested March 23 for violating a court injunction by blocking a road at Kinder Morgan's Burnaby Mountain facility.

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Former NDP MP Kennedy Stewart was arrested March 23 for violating a court order and blocking access to Kinder Morgan work sites in Burnaby

May and Burnaby South NDP MP Kennedy Stewart were among dozens of people who were arrested in March for getting within five metres of a Kinder Morgan work site.

Stewart pleaded guilty to the same charge and was ordered to pay a $500 fine.

The $7.4-billion project twins an existing 1,150-kilometre pipeline between Edmonton and Burnaby — almost tripling its capacity.

Crown prosecutors are asking the court to ramp up penalties against repeat Trans Mountain protesters. Those who plead early get a lower fine, but those who go to trial or repeatedly breach the court injunction could face up to a $4,500 fine or up to 14 days in jail for repeated breaches.

May said she did not regret her actions but would not be breaching a court order again.

Outside court, May predicted that by May 31 — this Thursday — Kinder Morgan would pull out of the pipeline expansion project.

She accused the company of holding the Canadian government to ransom to get protections from losses on a pipeline project she says the company planned to cancel long ago.

"They are kidnappers who took a hostage, not to get the ransom, but to kill the hostage," she said.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/elizabeth-may-court-kinder-morgan-protest-1.4681097
 
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Green Party Leader Elizabeth May pleads guilty to criminal contempt for violating court injunction
Yvette Brend · CBC News · Posted: May 28, 2018

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Green Party Leader Elizabeth May was arrested in March at a protest against Kinder Morgan's Trans Mountain pipeline expansion project.


Green Party Leader Elizabeth May has pleaded guilty in B.C. Supreme Court to criminal contempt for her role in a Trans Mountain pipeline protest.

It was agreed by the special prosecutor and the politician's lawyer that she should pay a $500 fine.

But — despite May's apology through her lawyer for her actions — Justice Kenneth Affleck said $500 was not enough. He ordered her to pay a $1,500 fine.

The judge said May had exploited her office for media attention, so a stiffer penalty was warranted.

He noted that she has a position of influence, and her actions might sway others to breach court orders.

Outside court, May said she accepted her penalty and reassured people that the offence was not listed under the Criminal Code, so it would not affect her ability to travel or work as a member of Parliament.

"I'm not a convicted criminal," said May.

She was arrested March 23 for violating a court injunction by blocking a road at Kinder Morgan's Burnaby Mountain facility.

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Former NDP MP Kennedy Stewart was arrested peacefully March 23 for violating a court order and blocking access to Kinder Morgan work sites in Burnaby

May and Burnaby South NDP MP Kennedy Stewart were among dozens of people who were arrested in March for getting within five metres of a Kinder Morgan work site.

Stewart pleaded guilty to the same charge and was ordered to pay a $500 fine.

The $7.4-billion project twins an existing 1,150-kilometre pipeline between Edmonton and Burnaby — almost tripling its capacity.

Crown prosecutors are asking the court to ramp up penalties against repeat Trans Mountain protesters. Those who plead early get a lower fine, but those who go to trial or repeatedly breach the court injunction could face up to a $4,500 fine or up to 14 days in jail for repeated breaches.

May said she did not regret her actions but would not be breaching a court order again.

Outside court, May predicted that by May 31 — this Thursday — Kinder Morgan would pull out of the pipeline expansion project.

She accused the company of holding the Canadian government to ransom to get protections from losses on a pipeline project she says the company planned to cancel long ago.

"They are kidnappers who took a hostage, not to get the ransom, but to kill the hostage," she said.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/elizabeth-may-court-kinder-morgan-protest-1.4681097

Should've gotten a mark on her criminal record and that would've been it for her political career. Also would've taught her a lesson about taking part in criminal activities for short term political gain.
 
Ottawa reaches agreement to start Trans Mountain work this summer
Federal cabinet holding early morning meeting to go over pipeline options before announcement
David Cochrane · CBC News · Posted: May 28, 2018

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Federal Finance Minister Bill Morneau is expected to announce a path forward for the Trans Mountain pipeline project today.


Finance Minister Bill Morneau has reached an agreement in principle with Kinder Morgan that a senior federal official says will allow the controversial Trans Mountain pipeline expansion project to go ahead this summer.

Lawyers and officials from both parties were still hammering out the final language and paperwork late Monday night in advance of a Tuesday morning announcement by the finance minister.

"What Morneau has negotiated will enable us to now go and get the pipeline built," said a senior government official with direct knowledge of the negotiations. "It's the beginning of getting it built."

Details of the announcement were being held close on Monday because Kinder Morgan is a publicly traded company and the pipeline discussions are subject to a non-disclosure agreement.

The government has looked at three options for moving the project forward. Morneau already has announced that the federal government is willing to compensate Kinder Morgan — or any other company — for any financial losses caused by British Columbia's attempts to obstruct the project.

Ottawa could also buy, build and then sell the expansion once the work is complete. Or it could buy the project from Kinder Morgan and then put it on the market for investors willing to pick up the project and build it themselves.

The senior official would not say which of those options Morneau and the company have chosen to move the project ahead, but said the agreement would allow summer construction to go ahead this year.

Deadline looming

Morneau's Tuesday announcement comes just two days before the drop-dead date for the project set by Kinder Morgan. The company said it would have to have clarity on a path forward for the $7.4-billion project by May 31 or it would walk away from construction.

The federal cabinet is expected to get a full briefing on the pipeline deal when it meets at the unusually early time of 7:30 am on Tuesday.

The timing of Tuesday's announcement will allow both Morneau and Prime Minister Justin Trudeau to speak to key business audiences with some clearer answers on next steps for the pipeline.

Trudeau is taking part in a Bloomberg event in Toronto on Tuesday afternoon where he is expected to talk about economic growth. Later in the day, Morneau will join the prime minister for a roundtable of business leaders.

On Wednesday, Morneau speaks to the Calgary Chamber of Commerce about securing the country's economic future. He then continues on to Whistler, B.C. to chair meetings of the G7 finance ministers and central bankers that will run through Kinder Morgan's May 31 deadline.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trans-mountain-announcement-coming-1.4681662
 
Ottawa reaches agreement to start Trans Mountain work this summer
Federal cabinet holding early morning meeting to go over pipeline options before announcement
David Cochrane · CBC News · Posted: May 28, 2018

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Federal Finance Minister Bill Morneau is expected to announce a path forward for the Trans Mountain pipeline project today.


Finance Minister Bill Morneau has reached an agreement in principle with Kinder Morgan that a senior federal official says will allow the controversial Trans Mountain pipeline expansion project to go ahead this summer.

Lawyers and officials from both parties were still hammering out the final language and paperwork late Monday night in advance of a Tuesday morning announcement by the finance minister.

"What Morneau has negotiated will enable us to now go and get the pipeline built," said a senior government official with direct knowledge of the negotiations. "It's the beginning of getting it built."

Details of the announcement were being held close on Monday because Kinder Morgan is a publicly traded company and the pipeline discussions are subject to a non-disclosure agreement.

The government has looked at three options for moving the project forward. Morneau already has announced that the federal government is willing to compensate Kinder Morgan — or any other company — for any financial losses caused by British Columbia's attempts to obstruct the project.

Ottawa could also buy, build and then sell the expansion once the work is complete. Or it could buy the project from Kinder Morgan and then put it on the market for investors willing to pick up the project and build it themselves.

The senior official would not say which of those options Morneau and the company have chosen to move the project ahead, but said the agreement would allow summer construction to go ahead this year.

Deadline looming

Morneau's Tuesday announcement comes just two days before the drop-dead date for the project set by Kinder Morgan. The company said it would have to have clarity on a path forward for the $7.4-billion project by May 31 or it would walk away from construction.

The federal cabinet is expected to get a full briefing on the pipeline deal when it meets at the unusually early time of 7:30 am on Tuesday.

The timing of Tuesday's announcement will allow both Morneau and Prime Minister Justin Trudeau to speak to key business audiences with some clearer answers on next steps for the pipeline.

Trudeau is taking part in a Bloomberg event in Toronto on Tuesday afternoon where he is expected to talk about economic growth. Later in the day, Morneau will join the prime minister for a roundtable of business leaders.

On Wednesday, Morneau speaks to the Calgary Chamber of Commerce about securing the country's economic future. He then continues on to Whistler, B.C. to chair meetings of the G7 finance ministers and central bankers that will run through Kinder Morgan's May 31 deadline.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trans-mountain-announcement-coming-1.4681662

Again only in Canada the taxpayers wind up paying for a project that was going to be completely privately funded. Thank you to Hodor for using this pipeline as a political pawn and to Trudeau for cowering away and hoping it would all just blow over when this whole thing started. This is a failure of both BC and Ottawa.
 
I just don't understand being against safe pipes. The oil will be shipped. Either it gets piped out safely, or it gets shipped by more expensive rail which puts the environment and human lives in danger.

This is such a simple matter. I don't understand those on the Left who can't see simple truths.

To me it seems there are those who think if this oil isn’t shipped by pipe, not only it, but no other oil to replace it should/will be shipped at all, by anyone, so they oppose their country building safer infrastructure to do something already being done in less safe ways through other countries. Then there are the people who pander to that group, who want to stop any building in THIS country, but will continue to “business as usual” and get their resources elsewhere.

It is of course completely hypocritical, but as long as the visual is that they are standing up against THIS oil, they get the support of the people standing against ANY.
 
big congrats to myself and all of my fellow pipeline owners, great work buds
 
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