Brian Ortega asked Dana White to be paid for UFC 226

Discussion in 'UFC Discussion' started by legkicktko, Jul 11, 2018.

  1. Mike

    Mike Apathetic Belt

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2010
    Messages:
    23,998
    Likes Received:
    29,138
    Location:
    A sea of human garbage
    <WellThere>

    He wanted to say "it's not my problem Max pulled out, I won't risk my shot" And I support that, it's a business decision. But then he thought he'd turn down two replacement options and leave a void on the card, and they'd pay him for it? Don't know WHY he would think they'd do that. He sacrificed money now to minimize risk, to potentially maximize money later.

    You usually don't get to have it both ways.
     
    Augustus Caesar likes this.
  2. High Altitude

    High Altitude Brown Belt

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2005
    Messages:
    3,664
    Likes Received:
    2,282
    Ortega mentioned that the UFC said since he negotiated a flat rate, with no show and win money, they wouldn't pay since he deserved no show money. Even if he was going to be paid show money, I still think the UFC wouldn't have paid it since they offered him fights and Ortega chose to not fight, hence, not get paid.
     
  3. High Altitude

    High Altitude Brown Belt

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2005
    Messages:
    3,664
    Likes Received:
    2,282
    That is how almost all companies treat independent contractors. Put all the risk and expense on the IC and then tell them how lucky they are to be an IC because they can deduct all these expenses from their taxes.

    Meanwhile the company is laughing all the way to the bank.
     
    Mike likes this.
  4. MikalP

    MikalP Brown Belt

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2012
    Messages:
    4,306
    Likes Received:
    10,977
    Lmao. Guy does promotion for a company, handles media, promotes the UFC brand, influences ticket and PPV sales, and some of you cucks are all acting like he's being outrageous for expecting some compensation

    Even independent contractors more often than not receive compensation for partially completed work.

    The fighters need to be more protected by the contract they are pigeon-holed into signing.

    As for the "NO FIGHTER WILL EVER ACCEPT A REPLACEMENT FIGHT IF THEY GET PAID HUEHUEHE" argument;

    two things. 1. offer an incentive to take replacement fights. holy fucking shit, right? i know, hard to come up with that idea. 2. by saying this, you're implying they should be okay with doing all the pre-fight work for the UFC for free. including media, promotion, letting them use their image, etc. that's cuck labor.
     
    The Audience, brawlnsprawl and Possum like this.
  5. High Altitude

    High Altitude Brown Belt

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2005
    Messages:
    3,664
    Likes Received:
    2,282
    Ortega wasn't getting paid any show money for this fight. He was getting a flat fee, win or lose. That is what Ortega and his management wanted and got.

    UFC said he never completed the contract, no pay.

    The more Ortega tries to minimize risk, the less payback he gets. That is how risk vs reward works.

    I really believe this is the lesson Ortega learned this week. You have to be willing to take risk if you want to gain a big reward.
     
    Mike and Augustus Caesar like this.
  6. El Fernas

    El Fernas Black Belt

    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2014
    Messages:
    7,277
    Likes Received:
    4,493
    Location:
    Guadalajara, Mexico
    Isnt this whats already happening?? Neither DC or Stipe officially made at least $1M for their PPV fight, GGG made like 5 millions on his PPV fight with Jacobs, with very few exceptions the UFC is still paying them in M&M's.
     
  7. BabyFacedAssassin

    BabyFacedAssassin Shitpost Belt

    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2017
    Messages:
    1,488
    Likes Received:
    3,351
    Location:
    Australia
    <Waaah><Waaah><24><24>
    <mma1><mma1>
     
  8. flowoftruth

    flowoftruth Green Belt

    Joined:
    Jun 17, 2018
    Messages:
    1,148
    Likes Received:
    3,836
    if u dont wanna work why should they pay you
     
  9. MikalP

    MikalP Brown Belt

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2012
    Messages:
    4,306
    Likes Received:
    10,977
    Fight promotion isn't work?
    Media obligations isn't work?
    Promo shoots aren't work?

    All of those things were done by Ortega that lead directly to the UFC profiting.
     
    The Audience and Possum like this.
  10. Paladin

    Paladin Black Belt

    Joined:
    Dec 12, 2015
    Messages:
    5,023
    Likes Received:
    4,149
  11. flowoftruth

    flowoftruth Green Belt

    Joined:
    Jun 17, 2018
    Messages:
    1,148
    Likes Received:
    3,836
    As well as to help the event, these are also opportunities that the ufc are giving him to promote his brand. + In the case where he is willing to fight and they can't find an opponent, of course they should pay the man. But here he just wouldn't accept any alternative.
     
  12. Possum

    Possum Yellow Belt

    Joined:
    Jan 30, 2016
    Messages:
    203
    Likes Received:
    186
    Since when do you have to take a replacement on 3 days notice? He trained for max but expected to fight anyone they pick or no pay? Gtfo
     
    Shree_kumar and The Audience like this.
  13. Rozko

    Rozko Black Belt

    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2010
    Messages:
    5,427
    Likes Received:
    6,265
    Location:
    Sarnath
    He should get paid for the media work and nothing else.
     
  14. JC Komo

    JC Komo Amateur Fighter

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2011
    Messages:
    4,923
    Likes Received:
    3,443
    Location:
    511 Kinderheim
    I'm not impressed with Ortega's decision. Holloway might not even fucking come back at 145, he could have fought someone less prepared, for a possible interim title which then would become the real belt if Max doesnt comes back.

    Stupid ass play by him and team.
     
  15. th Fireball Kid

    th Fireball Kid Green Belt

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2006
    Messages:
    1,281
    Likes Received:
    474
    Lol ponytailed millennial wants to get paid after ducking a fight rofl he grew up poor and got too many handouts and expected uncle Dana to give him a free school lunch
     
  16. lsa

    lsa Maître d' at The Pussy Lounge

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2006
    Messages:
    26,471
    Likes Received:
    27,423
    Location:
    down south, up north
    Since way back, if you bothered to read the thread you will actually find two older Zuffa contracts that states the UFCs right to offer replacement fights.
     
    tithas and Mike like this.
  17. Horriblehim

    Horriblehim Purple Belt

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2007
    Messages:
    1,745
    Likes Received:
    1,002
    Location:
    Ontario, California
    Dana should book him a fight against like a #15-20 guy
     
  18. ocfightfan

    ocfightfan Gold Belt

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2006
    Messages:
    19,795
    Likes Received:
    7,607
    Location:
    The Mean Streets of West Linn
    I've give him some paltry points for having chutzpah.
     
  19. Twc

    Twc Orange Belt

    Joined:
    Mar 20, 2017
    Messages:
    313
    Likes Received:
    310
    I'm surprised UFC doesn't have stuff like this written in their contracts. For the undercard fights and maybe the first fight or 2 on the main card they have paid the fighters show money when their opponent pulled out but all of those fighters make less than $20k to show. (most under $10k) This isn't that much money to them.

    For high paid fighters and main/co-main events they should give a flat fee if their opponent pulls out with a chance to make more money if they are willing to fight a replacement. That way they are incentivized to take the fight and can't sue.
     
  20. JayJayMMA

    JayJayMMA Orange Belt

    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2013
    Messages:
    403
    Likes Received:
    361
    Location:
    Australia
    Expenses for flying out and accommodation are covered by UFC unless he decides to bring more than his coach and corner men.
    Most other expenses for top tier athletes such as training, management etc are % of purses so he wouldn't incur too much there. I do agree though that they should be entitled to a specific amount not necessarily a % in recognition of them doing media and workouts if their opponent pulls out within fight week.
     

Share This Page