Brexit News & Discussion v7: May’s Precarious Position Makes E.U Wary of Rejecting Her Brexit Plan

Discussion in 'The War Room' started by Arkain2K, Feb 16, 2018.

  1. Arkain2K

    Arkain2K Si vis pacem, para bellum

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2010
    Messages:
    23,840
    Likes Received:
    12,789
    Location:
    Orange County, California.
    Well, that just happened:



    <45>
     
    Last edited: Jul 10, 2018
  2. MayhemMonkey

    MayhemMonkey ... Im kind of a big deal!

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2010
    Messages:
    42,741
    Likes Received:
    43,313
    Location:
    Scotland
    I love how Americans think this is a big deal lol
     
    A_bomb47 and curryjunkie like this.
  3. Arkain2K

    Arkain2K Si vis pacem, para bellum

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2010
    Messages:
    23,840
    Likes Received:
    12,789
    Location:
    Orange County, California.




     
    Last edited: Jul 10, 2018
  4. TheTimeIsNotNow

    TheTimeIsNotNow Black Belt

    Joined:
    Jan 30, 2015
    Messages:
    5,922
    Likes Received:
    10,149
    Big Nige is the hero the UK needs, not the hero we deserve /s
     
  5. Billy no mates

    Billy no mates Green Belt

    Joined:
    Jun 28, 2007
    Messages:
    1,359
    Likes Received:
    1,346
    Location:
    Jolly Olde England
    His race is run , he'd be better of sticking to his LBC phone in show than trying to get back into politics .
     
  6. curryjunkie

    curryjunkie mixed marital arts...

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2014
    Messages:
    5,898
    Likes Received:
    9,340
    Not a whole pile of fucks given about this, hesitate to label it a threat or a promise, the comedy panel shows are in luck though
     
    Last edited: Jul 11, 2018 at 11:15 AM
    MayhemMonkey likes this.
  7. flashNsmash

    flashNsmash when it rains...

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2006
    Messages:
    16,657
    Likes Received:
    3,246
    time for the monarchy to reassert itself imo
     
  8. Arkain2K

    Arkain2K Si vis pacem, para bellum

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2010
    Messages:
    23,840
    Likes Received:
    12,789
    Location:
    Orange County, California.
    Why Britain Is Headed for a ‘Soft’ Brexit
    By David Merritt | July 12, 2018


    With less than nine months until Britain is due to leave the European Union, the U.K. government finally has a plan. It aims to keep the biggest benefit of being part of the EU -- the ability to freely trade goods with the other 27 members -- and minimize the damage to businesses and the economy of leaving the bloc. Though she would be loath to use the term, Prime Minister Theresa May is signaling that the U.K. wants a "soft" form of Brexit, where Britain forges a very close relationship with the EU and gives up on the idea of regaining control over many of the rules and regulations governing commerce. Still, winning the EU’s support won’t be easy.

    1. How would this work?
    At the heart of the plan is a new U.K.-EU "free trade area" where Britain agrees to stick to EU rules for industrial goods -- such as safety standards -- along with regulations covering agriculture and food. There will also be a newfangled system of interlinked customs regimes that will rely on new technologies that haven’t yet been developed. The U.K.’s goal is simple: Keep goods from food to car parts flowing across the English Channel by avoiding customs checks and tariffs.

    2. Will businesses be happy with the plan?
    The big names from Airbus SA to BMW AG that have warned about the fallout from a so-called hard Brexit in recent weeks might sleep a little easier. But the proposal on trade is limited to goods, which means selling services into the EU looks set to be complicated by Brexit. May’s plan acknowledges that the U.K.’s vast services sector, which accounts for about 80 percent of the economy, will suffer significant disruption. Banks in particular will lose their current open access to sell into the EU market.

    3. Why separate goods and services?
    It all comes back to one of the key promises of Brexit: giving the U.K. the ability to strike its own trade deals with fast-growing countries like India and China. Sticking to EU rules for goods means Britain’s hands will be tied when it comes to, say, importing chickens from the U.S. that have been washed in chlorine (a practice banned in the EU). But for services, the plan is for the U.K. to be able to diverge from the EU if it chooses, meaning it will be free to make its own deals in areas like banking or telecommunications. Still, trade deals covering services are something of a rarity.

    4. Does the plan solve the problem of the Irish border?
    Perhaps. Combining the customs arrangement with the alignment on rules means there’s theoretically no need to check any goods moving across the 310-mile (500 kilometer) border across the island of Ireland. Once Brexit takes effect, the boundary between the Republic of Ireland, which will remain part of the EU, and Northern Ireland, a region that’s part of the U.K., will become the EU’s frontier. The two sides have pledged to keep the border invisible. But since the EU doesn’t know when (if ever) the U.K.’s customs idea will take effect, it wants a backup plan that would bind Northern Ireland to Europe’s customs rules while mainland Britain breaks away.

    5. Will the EU go for the plan?
    Probably not. EU leaders like to repeat that they won’t stand for "cherry picking," or trying to benefit from the good bits of being in the bloc (like "frictionless" trade) without putting up with the obligations that the U.K. wants to shed (like the "free movement of people"). Irish Prime Minister Leo Varadkar has said that splitting up the treatment of goods and services in any Brexit deal could spell the end of the EU’s treasured single market. Still, May is giving up on some significant points, such as allowing some sort of continuing role for the European Court of Justice, the EU’s highest court. EU officials may view May’s plan as a starting point for negotiations, rather than rejecting it outright.

    6. So what’s May’s game plan?
    May is betting that she’s getting closer to a version of Brexit that the British Parliament will support, and seems ready to stand up to some of her more rebellious lawmakers who are lobbying for a more dramatic break. Ultimately, though, the details of the future trade relationship don’t need to be decided now. According to the timeline that the EU and U.K. signed up to, the two sides just need to agree on a framework for how it will work in order to avoid a crash divorce. Then Britain gets its two-year transition period, during which the real negotiations on an EU-U.K. trade deal will happen. This is just the start.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-s-headed-for-a-soft-form-of-brexit-quicktake
     
    Last edited: Jul 13, 2018 at 5:39 PM
  9. Teen Wolf

    Teen Wolf Baked

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2014
    Messages:
    1,606
    Likes Received:
    1,607
    PM says White Paper delivers 'the Brexit people voted for' http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44807741

    Leave voters, is this what you voted for?
     
    Last edited: Jul 12, 2018 at 1:33 PM
  10. Arkain2K

    Arkain2K Si vis pacem, para bellum

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2010
    Messages:
    23,840
    Likes Received:
    12,789
    Location:
    Orange County, California.
    As referees or as rulers?
     
    flashNsmash likes this.
  11. flashNsmash

    flashNsmash when it rains...

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2006
    Messages:
    16,657
    Likes Received:
    3,246
    why not start with the former and progress to the latter if the results aren't up to snuff
     
  12. Arkain2K

    Arkain2K Si vis pacem, para bellum

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2010
    Messages:
    23,840
    Likes Received:
    12,789
    Location:
    Orange County, California.
  13. Arkain2K

    Arkain2K Si vis pacem, para bellum

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2010
    Messages:
    23,840
    Likes Received:
    12,789
    Location:
    Orange County, California.
  14. Grenz

    Grenz Purple Belt

    Joined:
    Dec 12, 2015
    Messages:
    1,938
    Likes Received:
    2,825
    Location:
    Canada
    This guy is the biggest weasel in modern day UK politics, whether you're pro or anti Brexit. Let's see here:

    - Instigates an entire country into charting a totally different course, because he supposedly has a better path
    - Actually achieves his goal on putting his country on the better (according to him) path
    - Promptly bails from the ship, abdicating any sort of leadership responsibilities, making the excuse that all he ever wanted was Brexit, he never wanted a part of reshaping Britain's future beyond that

    This guy is a total bitch and now he has the nerves to complain. A real leader sets a different course through the storm and steps up to navigate the ship and those on it through the storm. Bitch Farage instead set the ship on course for the storm, and then jumped right on a life raft yelling "Good luck mates, see you on the other side once you're through!" I'm not even sure where I stand on Brexit, but I'm absolutely certain that Nigel Farage is a total bitch who quit and abandoned his cause once it was time to do the actual work.
     
  15. MayhemMonkey

    MayhemMonkey ... Im kind of a big deal!

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2010
    Messages:
    42,741
    Likes Received:
    43,313
    Location:
    Scotland
    [​IMG]
     
    Gandhi and Falsedawn like this.
  16. Arkain2K

    Arkain2K Si vis pacem, para bellum

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2010
    Messages:
    23,840
    Likes Received:
    12,789
    Location:
    Orange County, California.
    Yeah, watching the folks on the Leave camp jumping ship was rather disappointing.

    As an American, I preferred that the U.K remains our proxy in that clubhouse, but since more people voted to Leave, I wanted our British friends to stick together and make a successful exit anyway.

    But then this happened, followed by a hell lot of back-pedaling by a new government that would much prefer to Remain, but have the duty to carry out the people's majority will to Leave, and the infighting never stopped since then, much to Brussels' amusement.

    Oh well, that was a hell of an exciting election night though. I doubt we would ever stay up that late this side of the Atlantic to watch an European vote count again :)
     
    Last edited: Jul 12, 2018 at 8:43 PM
    Grenz likes this.
  17. FIMN

    FIMN Brown Belt

    Joined:
    Apr 28, 2007
    Messages:
    4,403
    Likes Received:
    2,921
    The fact the argument for brexit amounts to 'no takesies backsies' is quite telling. Nobody can actually say how the desired outcome is going to be achieved. The argument we should do it because we said we would is incredibly dumb.
     
  18. Arkain2K

    Arkain2K Si vis pacem, para bellum

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2010
    Messages:
    23,840
    Likes Received:
    12,789
    Location:
    Orange County, California.
    Just to make it clear, are you one of the Remainers who are calling for multiple referendums when the result didn't go your way the first time?

    Personally, I think the argument that Britain should get on with it because the majority of Brits wanted it is just good old Democracy at work, base on the referendum rule of 50%+1 that virtually everyone on both sides are cool with before Election Day when they think their side gonna win.

    It's happening. You need to work together. Back-pedaling and self-cutting at the negotiation table now is just going to strengthen Brussel's hand.
     
  19. FIMN

    FIMN Brown Belt

    Joined:
    Apr 28, 2007
    Messages:
    4,403
    Likes Received:
    2,921
    No, I'm one of the remainers who believes that decisions of this magnitude are best initiated by parliament, and that the political class should be upfront and honest that the referendum was a ploy to unite the conservative party, and there should be a general election ASAP and that goverment should collectively decide whether we should leave or not.

    It won't happen, I understand that. But if the original plan isn't going to work there's no point carrying on. As the expression goes if you find yourself in a hole, stop digging.

    As things are though, brexit voters need to take some responsibility for this disaster and yes, mocked for their stupidity and lack of knowledge.

    How this gets resolved? Who knows. What a shitfest.
     
    Teen Wolf, A_bomb47 and HomerThompson like this.
  20. Arkain2K

    Arkain2K Si vis pacem, para bellum

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2010
    Messages:
    23,840
    Likes Received:
    12,789
    Location:
    Orange County, California.
    I think the U.K-U.S trade deal can still be done, but that sorta-Brexit plan with E.U rules firmly tied to the U.K's neck is clearly going to limit A LOT of options compare to a true U.K-U.S bilateral trade talk.

    President Trump says Theresa May's proposed Brexit plan will probably kill UK-US trade deal

    By Rob Price | July 12, 2018

    [​IMG]

    President Donald Trump has said British Prime Minister Theresa May's proposed Brexit plan will "probably kill" off any chance of a UK-US trade deal.

    Trump's remarks, made in a bombshell interview with The Sun published Thursday during his first visit to Britain as US president, are an explosive intervention into British politics that seem likely to cause political chaos and imperil the prime minister as she attempts to negotiate Britain's exit from the European Union.

    May's proposal was finalized Friday and quickly sparked a slew of high-profile political resignations from her Cabinet, including Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson and Brexit Secretary David Davis, over concerns the plans would leave the UK too closely linked to the EU.

    "If they do a deal like that, we would be dealing with the European Union instead of dealing with the UK, so it will probably kill the deal," Trump said, according to The Sun.

    He added: "If they do that, then their trade deal with the US will probably not be made."

    Trump personally criticized May's handling of Brexit, saying that her so-called soft-Brexit approach went "the opposite way" to what he had recommended and that it was "very unfortunate."

    Trump attended a black-tie dinner at Blenheim Palace with May on Thursday evening, where the TV network ITV reports May planned to pitch the president on a free-trade agreement between the UK and the US after Brexit. But Trump's interview with The Sun now leaves that prospect in doubt — and puts May in a vulnerable position.

    Many Conservative members of Parliament who support Brexit are already in open revolt over her proposals, which Johnson said would turn the UK into an EU "colony" — and Trump's remarks are sure to inflame their concerns. May is already believed to be dangerously close to a vote of no confidence by her party.

    The prime minister's plan "will definitely affect trade with the United States, unfortunately in a negative way," Trump said.

    "We have enough difficulty with the European Union. We are cracking down right now on the European Union because they have not treated the United States fairly on trading.

    "No, if they do that, I would say that that would probably end a major trade relationship with the United States."

    http://www.businessinsider.com/dona...it-proposal-will-kill-uk-us-trade-deal-2018-7
     
    Last edited: Jul 13, 2018 at 2:10 AM

Share This Page