Brexit News & Discussion v6: EU Leaders Go to Battle Over Plugging Post-Brexit Budget Gap

[Arkain2K]

What is a Norway style deal?

From Brexit Discussion, v1:

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/b...er-the-outcome.3176729/page-18#post-117848715

 

[Inspirate]

EU is made up of Marxists that is a fact you can verify. They have no solution to the refugee crisis other than forcing countries to take them in. Also remember this includes the millions coming from Africa.

Face it we're been betrayed and these people are destroying our homeland. They don't even want us to say European in a racial sense, it's become a nationality.


Also this whole EU army thing.. we may as well just give up everything and become one country.

I'm also against NATO they've done more harm than good.

 

[Skulli]

Poland voted in favor of relocation.

And that government was democratically voted out of power. People don't want those rapists voted a new gov in with intentions not to allow them in.

What's the bigger contract a gov following the democratic will of its people or the will of undemocratic unelected aristocratic pedo lover of brussels.

 

[Rod1]

And that government was democratically voted out of power. People don't want those rapists voted a new gov in with intentions not to allow them in.

What's the bigger contract a gov following the democratic will of its people or the will of undemocratic unelected aristocratic pedo lover of brussels.

Cool, so if a government borrows 1 trillion dollars, is the next elected government free from said obligation?

 

[Skulli]

Cool, so if a government borrows 1 trillion dollars, is the next elected government free from said obligation?

lol you honest saying that those two things are one and the same, going full tard here ain't yahh.

 

[Arkain2K]

U.K. Opens Door to Tech Talent
By Giles Turner | November 14, 2017, 2:30 PM PST

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The U.K. government plans to double the number of visas for highly skilled workers, including technology-savvy candidates, but a Brexit-fueled lull in funding for startups remains a concern for the industry.

The number of Tier 1 visas for "exceptional talent" will double to 2,000 a year, with the government-funded industry body Tech City UK granted an extra 21 million pounds ($27 million) to attract experts to areas outside London. The government is also launching a new 20 million-pound fund for public services to invest in artificial intelligence.

"As we prepare to leave the European Union, I am clear that Britain will remain open for business," said U.K. Prime Minister Theresa May in a statement. "That means Government doing all it can to secure a strong future for our thriving tech sector."

These Tier 1 visas are currently shared among other industries such as science, medicine and the arts, with the tech sector getting 250 places. The documents give immigrants the right to live, work and tap government benefits like health care for at least five years. But before Brexit there was little need for applications, with the majority of workers coming from within the European Union. Brexit may slow such labor mobility, and the U.K. government expects the number of tech-related applications to significantly increase.

 

[Arkain2K]

Irish PM Says Threat to Veto Brexit Talks a ‘Big Mistake’
By Dara Doyle | November 14, 2017

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Irish Prime Minister Leo Varadkar gave his strongest signal yet that he’s not to prepared to use his veto over Brexit talks in the face of opposition from other European countries, saying isolating the government in negotiations would be a “ a really big mistake strategically.”

The Irish border issue grants Varadkar an effective veto over the first phase of Brexit talks. In addition to the divorce settlement, the European Union wants sufficient progress towards an agreement guaranteeing citizens’ rights after 2019, as well as on an arrangement that averts reinstating a hard border in Ireland before talks move on to a future trade deal.

To “set ourselves apart would be a really big mistake strategically, ” Varadkar said in parliament in Dublin on Tuesday. “The best way to get an outcome” would be as part of the wider bloc.

Varadkar has considered pushing for guarantees that no border will be reimposed on the island of Ireland as the price for allowing Brexit talks to move ahead, according to two people familiar with the matter.

Ultimately, though, it’s in the Irish interest to allow talks to move on to trade -- Ireland is the economy most vulnerable to Brexit and ultimately the border question can’t be fully resolved until the shape of the future trading relationship is clear, Varadkar has said.

Moreover, Ireland will likely face pressure not to hold up Brexit talks over the border should the U.K. and EU reach a preliminary accord on a financial settlement, a European official familiar with the negotiation process said. It’s probably not tenable for Ireland to hold out on the border if all the other countries are satisfied on the bill, the person said.

Still, Manfred Weber, leader of the Christian Democrats in the European Parliament, said it’s increasingly unlikely that EU leaders will give the green light in December to the next stage of Brexit talks.

“We have no clear readiness from the London side to commit to further compromises and that’s why for the moment we are in a blocked situation,” he told reporters at the 28-nation EU Parliament’s headquarters in Strasbourg, France.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ays-threat-to-veto-brexit-talks-a-big-mistake

 

[Arkain2K]

Merkel Wary of Pushing May Too Far in Brexit Talks
By Arne Delfs , Rainer Buergin , and Birgit Jennen | November 15, 2017

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Germany’s Angela Merkel is wary that pushing U.K. Prime Minister Theresa May too hard in Brexit talks could backfire, according to a person familiar with the chancellor’s thinking.

Chancellery officials in Berlin see a risk that excessive European Union pressure over the Brexit divorce bill could weaken May at home, said the person who asked not to be identified discussing private deliberations. If May were replaced, most of the likely successors are hardline Brexit backers.

Reflecting that caution, Manfred Weber, who leads Merkel’s Christian Democrats in the European Parliament and describes himself as “one of the more skeptical partners” on Brexit, met May in London on Wednesday, and his tone changed dramatically from just a day before.

“I saw today that there is a willingness to go further, there is a willingness to contribute to a positive outcome,” he told reporters. The U.K. has a “credible” position and “there are good arguments on the table from both sides.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...dium=social&cmpid==socialflow-facebook-brexit

 

[Arkain2K]

 

[Arkain2K]

Brexit Talks at a Standoff as Tusk Sets U.K.'s May an Ultimatum
By Tim Ross, Ian Wishart, and Viktoria Dendrinou | November 17, 2017


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U.K. Prime Minister Theresa May is stuck in a Brexit stand-off as European leaders set her a deadline to give ground on the exit bill and the future of the Irish border if talks are to move on to trade before next year.

“I made clear to Theresa May that this progress needs to happen at the beginning of December at the latest,” European Union president Donald Tusk said after a meeting of EU leaders in Gothenburg, Sweden.

His comments came after May’s Brexit Secretary David Davis called on the EU to compromise, saying Britain has “made all the running” in negotiations so far. “I want them to compromise,” Davis said in a BBC interview on Friday. “So far in this negotiation we’ve made quite a lot of compromises,” he said. “We haven’t always got that back.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...in-stand-off-mode-as-davis-demands-compromise

 

[Arkain2K]

U.K. Lawmakers to Vote on Brexit, But Will Face a Stark Choice
By Emma Ross-Thomas and Svenja O'Donnell | November 13, 2017


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U.K. lawmakers will get a take-it-or-leave-it vote on the final Brexit deal, with their choices limited to accepting the agreement or voting for a chaotic crashing out of the block.

And if the government fails to reach a deal, the U.K. will leave without consulting Parliament, Brexit Secretary David Davis said on Monday.

The twin announcements provoked jeers in Parliament as what started out as a concession to a restive House of Commons, was quickly revealed to be a meaningless gesture. Several lawmakers, including Labour’s Pat McFadden, said they would be voting with a gun to their heads.

Further restricting lawmakers’ leeway in the final stages of Brexit, the government wants to write into law the date that Britain will leave. Designed as a concession to the most enthusiastic Brexit supporters in the divided Conservative Party, the proposal would mean there’s no way Britain could ask for an extension if talks fail to produce a deal.

Dominic Grieve, a former attorney general and colleague of Prime Minister Theresa May who is now opposing the government’s Brexit policy, called the proposal “thoroughly stupid” as he said it would tie the government’s hands in negotiations. Davis blamed Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty, the mechanism for departure, for why an extension would be difficult.

“The extension of article 50 can only be done by unanimity and that’s the weakness of it,” he said.

May is walking a political tightrope, trying to appease both Brexit hardliners and those in her party who want to maintain close ties to the EU.

Lawmakers from both main parties have been pushing for Parliament to have a greater say in the process, with some tabling amendments to government legislation that aim to prevent Britain tumbling out of the trading bloc without a deal. That legislation goes to Parliament on Tuesday, when May’s minority administration will be tested.

Davis was upbeat that a deal will get done and in good time to go to lawmakers. He hopes an agreement will be sealed by October 2018, giving time to Parliament in London and the European Parliament in Strasbourg to approve it. It will go to lawmakers in London as a bill.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...t-a-vote-on-brexit-but-only-if-there-s-a-deal

 

[deise69]

That was 3 days ago, things have changed since Boris came for a visit.

“We’ve been given assurances that there will be no hard border in Ireland, that there won’t be any physical infrastructure, that we won’t go back to the borders of the past,” Varadkar said. “We want that written down in practical terms in the conclusions of phase one.”

The Taoiseach was scathing about UK politicians who he said had backed Brexit without real thought to the consequences of leaving. “It’s 18 months since the referendum. It’s 10 years since people who wanted a referendum started agitating for one,” he said. “Sometimes it doesn’t seem like they have thought all this through."

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...king-politicians-did-not-think-things-through

 

[Arkain2K]

Britain threatens to scupper EU climate law over 'Brexit no deal' clause
James Crisp, Brussels correspondent | 18 November 2017

Britain is threatening the future of EU climate change legislation after a 'Brexit no deal' clause was added to a bill being voted on in Brussels this week.

The clause would ban British industry from selling its carbon emission allowances on the market after Brexit in the event of no deal.

British representatives could back a Polish-led coalition of coal-addicted countries against members including Germany, France and the Netherlands to scupper the bill, which would delay reforms to the Emissions Trading System (ETS).

If the bill fails to pass, it would be the first time Britain has used its voting powers in the EU as an outlet for its frustrations with the deadlocked Brexit negotiations.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...scupper-eu-climate-law-brexit-no-deal-clause/

 

[Arkain2K]

Brexit Secretary David Davis hinted at clarity in a “few more weeks” on the bill the U.K. will have to pay to leave the European Union, adding to the sense that the British are getting closer to making a concession aimed at unblocking negotiations.

It’s a close call whether that would be soon enough to make the agenda for a crunch EU summit in December. That’s when the U.K. has been hoping national leaders will give the green light for Brexit talks to move on from thorny separation issues to the key matters of a transition deal and future relationship. EU diplomats draft the summit conclusions in the first week of December, seen in Brussels as the latest moment that any offer could be considered. EU officials are looking at dates in January and February if December is another flop.

Speaking in Berlin, Davis told an audience of German business leaders that the EU should put prosperity ahead of politics, and suggested they should be pushing for talks to move on to trade. German business lobbies have repeatedly said they won’t seek to undermine the unity of the EU and that protecting the union takes priority.

The EU is pushing for Britain to pay at least €60 billion ($71 billion) to cover budgetary commitments and liabilities agreed to in the past but paid for in the future, such as pensions for EU officials. So far Prime Minister Theresa May has pledged to honor about €20 billion of scheduled budget payments after Brexit and has indicated a willingness to pay more after a line-by-line analysis. The Sun reported this week that another £20 billion ($26.5 billion) was on the table, which May’s spokesman described as “yet more speculation.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-11-17/brexit-bulletin-in-time-for-the-deadline

 

[FIMN]

Anyone think this is going well for the UK?

 

[JDragon]

Speaking in Berlin, Davis told an audience of German business leaders that the EU should put prosperity ahead of politics, and suggested they should be pushing for talks to move on to trade. German business lobbies have repeatedly said they won’t seek to undermine the unity of the EU and that protecting the union takes priority

This quote alone shows how lost the UK's position is: EU businesses are emphasizing the economic side. But they are thinking strategically. The real risk is further division in the EU.

The UK will not be able to have their cake and eat it by dividing us.

 

[Billy no mates]

Anyone think this is going well for the UK?

Eventually yes .

This quote alone shows how lost the UK's position is: EU businesses are emphasizing the economic side. But they are thinking strategically. The real risk is further division in the EU.

The UK will not be able to have their cake and eat it by dividing us.

Yes its like the ERM debacle from the early 90's the project must come before the people .

 

[snakedafunky]

Anyone think this is going well for the UK?

No, its bad for the EU as well. But the UK is a lot worse.
They have no idea what to do. That's why they are stalling on the exit payment. The EU is clear on that pay 60 Billion or no deal.
The UK doesn't know if it should walk away from that or not. So May throws out a number of 20 maybe 20 more?
I am sure if the UK would say we pay 50 the EU would say ok let's move on. But the UK doesn't really want to move on.
They can't even figure out a payment number. How are they going to figure out all the other things? Like the movement of people.
They just want to talk about the trade so they can go back to the voters and say look we got a trade deal.

The main issue is that they don't have a strong political leader that says we do it this way lets move on. So they have no idea what to do.
At this point, even a bad plan would be better than what the UK is doing.

 

[Arkain2K]

No, its bad for the EU as well. But the UK is a lot worse.
They have no idea what to do. That's why they are stalling on the exit payment. The EU is clear on that pay 60 Billion or no deal.
The UK doesn't know if it should walk away from that or not. So May throws out a number of 20 maybe 20 more?
I am sure if the UK would say we pay 50 the EU would say ok let's move on. But the UK doesn't really want to move on.
They can't even figure out a payment number. How are they going to figure out all the other things? Like the movement of people.
They just want to talk about the trade so they can go back to the voters and say look we got a trade deal.

The main issue is that they don't have a strong political leader that says we do it this way lets move on. So they have no idea what to do.
At this point, even a bad plan would be better than what the UK is doing.

I don't know why Theresa May even want this thankless job, to be honest.

People are criticizing her from every direction, but we all know her job is perfectly safe, because there ain't anyone else better. Merkel knows that very well, so Germany has refrained from ever trying to attack her personally.

But then again, British politicians are already experts at cutting off their own noses to spite their face. Every time I watch a video of the British parliament in session and see that clown Jeremy Corbyn talking shit on Theresa May day in and day out, I'm glad she's running this circus and not him.

 

[Billy no mates]

I don't know why Theresa May even want this thankless job, to be honest.

People are criticizing her from every direction, but we all know her job is perfectly safe, because there ain't anyone else better. Merkel knows that very well, so Germany has refrained from ever trying to attack her personally.

But then again, British politicians are already experts at cutting off their own noses to spite their face. Every time I watch a video of the British parliament in session and see that clown Jeremy Corbyn talking shit on Theresa May day in and day out, I'm glad she's running this circus and not him.

But Corbyn will probably be running the show in a couple of years , Brexit hasn't lanced the Tory boil in the way people thought it would I can see the Conservatives self destructing before the next general election leaving it open for Labour .