Brexit News & Discussion v6: Angela Merkel opens the door to giving Britain a tailor-made trade deal | Page 44

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    Well, the better the British economy is doing, the more the jealous French would want to squeeze them in the trade negotiation.
     
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    Germany to Demand U.K. Pay for Post-Brexit Bank Access
    Birgit Jennen and Ian Wishart | January 10, 2018


    Germany will demand the U.K. pay for the privilege of its financial firms having access to European Union markets after Brexit as Chancellor Angela Merkel’s government maintains a hard-line stance against a bespoke trade deal.

    The U.K. cannot hope for a trade agreement that includes financial services unless Britain agrees to make substantial contributions to the EU budget and adheres to European law, according to German officials from two key government departments in Berlin. Both asked not to be named discussing internal government strategy.

    Even before the negotiations start on Britain’s future relationship with the EU, Germany’s position risks thwarting the U.K.’s aim of securing a tailor-made deal. Prime Minister Theresa May’s government regards Germany’s stance as crucial -- both Chancellor of the Exchequer Philip Hammond and Brexit Secretary David Davis are due in Germany on Wednesday to meet business groups and make the case for a wide-ranging Brexit deal.

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    In a joint article for German newspaper Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung published the same day, Hammond and Davis said they want a trade accord covering financial services to ensure that after the 2008 crash, “we do not put that hard-earned financial stability at risk.”

    But Germany will reject any attempt to include financial services in a post-Brexit trade deal unless Britain drops its opposition to substantial budget payments, the government officials said. Otherwise, the U.K. is simply “cherry-picking” its favored aspects of EU membership without having to share any responsibility -- something Germany has explicitly rejected from the outset.

    Norway or Switzerland

    Non-EU countries Norway and Switzerland do have limited access to Europe’s single market, but they pay for the privilege. Canada, whose free-trade pact the EU says Britain’s will most closely resemble, doesn’t pay into the EU budget -- and financial services barely feature. According to the German officials, the U.K. must therefore choose between the Swiss or Norwegian models if financial services are to be included.

    EU Budget Commissioner Guenther Oettinger told reporters in Brussels on Wednesday that U.K. payments after Britain’s planned post-Brexit transition phase ends in 2021 were a matter for the negotiations but that “the U.K. could reflect upon” how Switzerland pays to participate in some European projects.

    Hammond, asked in Berlin if the U.K. would be ready to pay into the EU budget for bank access, said: “We will talk about all of these things.”

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-10/germany-is-said-to-insist-u-k-pay-for-post-brexit-bank-access
     
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    Bulgaria has a Brexit message for Britain: If the U.K. government seeks to divide the other European Union capitals during the negotiations, it should think again by looking at EU unity over sanctions against Russia.

    Bulgarian Foreign Minister Ekaterina Zaharieva said the EU’s four-year-old penalties against Russia over its encroachment in Ukraine show that the U.K.’s 27 partners in the bloc can maintain a common front during the second phase of talks on the British plan to leave.

    Both cases require EU governments to put longer-term political interests above shorter-term economic ones, she said. The sanctions against Russia -- prolonged for another six months in December -- include curbs on its financial, energy and defense industries and provoked a retaliatory Russian ban on EU farm goods.

    “It’s really, really important to stay united” as the Brexit process advances, Zaharieva, whose country is the poorest in the EU and took over its rotating six-month presidency on Jan. 1, told reporters on Thursday in Sofia. “I think we can. The Russia sanctions are absolutely a good example.”

    Britain and the rest of the EU are gearing up for the start of negotiations on their post-Brexit ties after a European summit in December declared that “sufficient progress” had been made over the divorce terms, including the financial settlement. Leaders including German Chancellor Angela Merkel say the next phase will be tougher -- a view echoed by Zaharieva.

    “The first phase is not such a big problem to stay united,” she said. “Phase two will be really difficult.”
     
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    Spanish and Dutch finance ministers have agreed to push for a Brexit deal that keeps Britain as close to the European Union as possible, according to a person familiar with the situation.

    Spanish Economy Minister Luis de Guindos and his Dutch counterpart Wopke Hoekstra met earlier this week and discussed their common interests in Brexit, according to the person, who declined to be identified. Both have close trade and investment ties and are concerned about the impact of tariffs. They are also worried about losing U.K. contributions to the EU budget, the person said.
     
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    Sounds like the EU or Tusk and Junker offered the UK for the last time to change its mind.
    Not sure if they actually think at this stage they still will or its just a negotiating tactic to divide the UK.
    I don't think you could still reasonably believe they would change at this point. That ship has sailed.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-42702065
    The UK would be welcome to stay in the EU if it changed its mind about Brexit, Donald Tusk has suggested.

    The European Council President told MEPs that the UK would leave the bloc unless it had a "change of heart".

    "We haven't had a change of heart. Our hearts are still open for you."

    The comments were welcomed by Lib Dem and Labour MPs who want a referendum on the final Brexit deal. The government has said there will be no second vote ahead of the UK's exit in March 2019.

    Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn has also dismissed the idea while insisting that MPs have a "meaningful vote" in Parliament on the terms of the withdrawal agreement.
     
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    If I was U.K. I wouldn't pay... the fook they gonna do about it
     
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    Limiting the access UK financial and services have to the EU.
    You know the biggest sector in the UK economy.
    Says it right there in the article.
     
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    Best of three then....

    Remoaners and Brexshiters are united in their dread of another fucking vote .
     
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    LOL, I didn't even know this is a thing! What's wrong with our chicken, chaps?! :D



    The U.S. wants Britain to cut European Union regulations after Brexit to boost the chances of striking a free-trade deal between the two countries.

    If Prime Minister Theresa May ditches some EU rules on farming and food processing, “there is a much greater opportunity for trade between the U.K. and U.S.,” according to Ted McKinney, undersecretary for trade at the U.S. Department of Agriculture.

    “We hope that the U.K. will look for its own food standards, environmental safety protocols,” McKinney said in an interview on the fringes of a farming conference in Oxford on Thursday. “We find the EU a very difficult place to do business and so we hope that as part of Brexit, the reset button can at least be considered.”

    May wants a trade deal with the U.S. and has discussed the matter with President Donald Trump. Working groups have begun to map out the shape of the agreement, which both sides say they would like to conclude quickly after Brexit. Britain is prevented from conducting formal trade talks with any country until it leaves the European Union in March 2019.

    Despite these plans, trade relations soured because of a row between the two countries last year over food standards that focused on the issue of U.S. chlorine-treated poultry. McKinney said the U.S. is “sick and tired” of hearing from Britain that American chicken isn’t safe to eat.

    “We would like all of British society to understand that is not a practice that’s in use very much,” McKinney said. “The quality of our poultry, we’d put up against U.K. poultry any day of the week and twice on Sunday."

    American products are every bit as good as British food and Michael Gove, the British environment secretary, has privately assured U.S. officials that he would try to draw a line under the chicken dispute because it was not fair to American poultry producers, McKinney said. He added that he’ll be checking Google to make sure Gove keeps his word.
     
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    So Trans Atlantic chickens are a sticking point.....the whole idea of that sounds more than a little absurd .
     
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    It is absurd, considered that the E.U's decision to ban poultry cleaned with chlorine is not actually a health and safety issue, despite all the insinuations with buzzwords like "low food safety standards".

    There's nothing sinister about chlorine. Europeans drinks it in their tap water everyday, just like we do.

    Deep down, it is actually a "chicken welfare" issue for the European Union.
     
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    I don't know if I remember that 100% correctly but wasn't it the UK that pushed for stricter food regulation after the BSE (mad cow) crisis in the early 2000's?
    Because they were hit the hardest. I remember those new regulations were a big issue for German farmers and they did a lot of protesting etc.
    I am not sure how it's with chickens. But I would be surprised if the UK would relax those regulations even outside the EU.
    But I am no expert on those.
     
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    Oh, this has nothing to do with food safety, not does the U.K has anything to do with it.

    This is an E.U animal welfare law, their rationale is that if farmers are allowed to clean chicken meat with chlorine (which is scientifically proven to be 100% safe, as proven by the wide adoption of chlorinated tap water in Europe), then that would lead to "laxer animal welfare and sanitary conditions" at the chicken farms, because chickens in a dirty chicken coop can quickly be cleaned effectively and safely.

    That rationale in turns gave way to European politicians and media getting creative with the insinuation that perfectly clean and safe American chicken is somehow "not safe to eat".

    The debate now is that after Britain leaves the E.U, should they allow 100%-safe chlorine-washed chicken meat from the U.S to be imported, by dropping the E.U rules and adopt their own food safety standards that only deals with food safety and not "animal welfare".

     
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    Ah ok. I misunderstood that a bit. First time I heard about that chlorine stuff.

    So that's a rough spot for the UK. If they lower the standards it will be harder to sell into the EU.
    But if they don't lower them they might be undercut by US producers?

    Is that the core of the issue?
     
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