Shooting in Toronto's Greek Town. 12 Injured. 3 Dead-- including Shooter

Well, we know it was a handgun, so this needs to be looked at. The mayor was already talking about gun violence, so my first question was, "Has the number of guns in Toronto seen a major increase along with the spike in crime?"

Answer: yes.
Handgun seizure up 65%
As the city grapples with the brazen shooting of two young girls at an east-end playground in broad daylight, data published by Toronto police indicates a startling rise in the number of firearms seized this year.

Toronto police seized 132 handguns in the first three months of 2018. That’s a 65 per cent increase compared to the same period last year when 80 handguns were confiscated, and it’s a 94 per cent increase compared to 2016 when 68 handguns were seized.

Toronto police have also documented a rise in the number of shotgun and rifles seized; 86 for the first three months of 2017 compared to 121 in the same period this year. That’s a 41 per cent increase.

A credible police source tells CityNews about 55 per cent of guns used in crimes in Toronto were traceable to the United States. 45 per cent were obtained in Canada.

CityNews spoke with former gang member Marcell Wilson a.k.a “Junior” who said he believes the number of guns flowing into Toronto each year is likely in the thousands.

Wilson was a gang member in the nineties in the west-end neighbourhood know as Swansea Mews, near Parkdale. Into the 2000s, he worked for organized crime syndicates that he would not name.

When it comes to guns, Wilson said his gang brought hundreds into the streets of Toronto from the United States. They would trade drugs for American firearms.

“The majority of times it was Americans coming up here with the guns you guys would trade – they’d leave with the drugs and you guys got your guns,” said Wilson. “That’s how it went. Similar still today? I’d say so. How else would it work?”

Wilson added because they are harder to access, he doesn’t believe we will see more automatic rifles like in the United States on Toronto streets, but that could change.

“If we could access them, I believe that would be the gun of choice,” said Wilson. “And when someone does have a weapon like that, something that is of an automatic capability that closely guarded? Oh absolutely. It’s like gold. It gives you power.”

Wilson now works with other former gang members as a part of grassroots organizations who travel the world and talk to extremists, gang members and child soldiers.

“A lot of the work I do now — is based on trying to redeem retribution of some of my responsibility in what’s happening now.” said Wilson. “I feel personally responsible for some of it.”

Wilson said the current state of gun culture plaguing our city is worse than anything he could have ever imagine.

“You didn’t hurt people outside of our world. We call them civilians. A civilian casualty could mean your life because you brought negative attention to the organization,” said Wilson. “There is no body — there is no structure. Which makes it one thousand times harder to combat it.”

Wilson believes a lot of the issues we see today can be fixed at home and within communities. He also notes the amount of child services in Toronto’s at-risk communities — from community centres to after school programs — has decreased rapidly and they can actually have a real impact.
Next is the more complicated question of what has changed to create the demand for those guns.
 
Well, we know it was a handgun, so this needs to be looked at. The mayor was already talking about gun violence, so my first question was, "Has the number of guns in Toronto seen a major increase along with the spike in crime?"

Answer: yes.
Handgun seizure up 65%

Next is the more complicated question of what has changed to create the demand for those guns.

Like...somalians, prolly.
 
Heard it when I got home, actually live 5min away so I was lucky.

Any info on the shooter? It kinda looks like a scensrio he was salty at some poon and fired away cause jelly
 
I think it was whitey's turn this time.

Save the taxpayers some $$$ and just throw him off Niagara Falls.
 
Well, we know it was a handgun, so this needs to be looked at. The mayor was already talking about gun violence, so my first question was, "Has the number of guns in Toronto seen a major increase along with the spike in crime?"

Answer: yes.
Handgun seizure up 65%

Next is the more complicated question of what has changed to create the demand for those guns.
Hand guns are restricted here. You need a restricted license to purchase one. Almost all hand gun crimes are used with illegal hand guns smuggled in from the United States. Obviously there has always been a demand by the gangs and criminals for the guns but availability has spiked probably.
 
Yes, this city was not like this just 2 years ago, the violence is accelerating at an extremely alarming rate.

Don't get me wrong, definitely a spike in shootings this year but....

I have lived here for 20 years and there has always been shootings and stabbings. I remember my friends getting robbed at gunpoint and pistol whipped by 16 year olds in Parkdale in 2000. A guy shot and killed in the bar I hung out / worked at College / Bathurst in 2001. Shootings and stabbinga at tthe bar next door to tjat one. Sootings in the club district...

People acting like Toronto was some hippie paradise 2 years ago have short memories.
 
Like...somalians, prolly.
LOL, doubtful. Somalis. I screwed that up again earlier, too.

There's the possibility it isn't about change to demand, but changing supply. Nevertheless, the demand must exist, and as Canada sells its own guns, one wouldn't think bootleg guns would have that much appeal such as in Chicago were the gun laws are so strict, and almost all of the guns come from out of state.

Turns out that universal health care and other more socialist economic policies aren't a cure to inequality and careless urban planning, either:
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/20...becoming-more-divided-along-income-lines.html
Equally troubling is that this 40-year trend for Toronto has spread beyond the city’s boundaries into areas such as Peel where for the first time a majority of neighbourhoods are low-income, says a report by United Way Toronto and York Region being released Wednesday.

“The data shows that the challenge of growing income inequality and polarization is now widespread throughout the region,” says the study, an update of the agency’s 2015 Opportunity Equation report that dubbed Toronto the “inequality capital” of Canada.

“What’s sobering is that the majority of all the neighbourhoods in the GTA are segregated into either high- or low-income and the middle is vanishing. This is no longer just a Toronto or city issue,” said United Way President and CEO Daniele Zanotti.
That seems to be what is driving this gun culture. That's where the gangs come in. They create the availability, and saturate the city with illegal guns.

But illegal guns like that-- at least in the USA-- haven't been the predominant type of gun used in these lone wolf terrorist shootings or mass shootings that are a glorified suicide-by-cop. Those guns are usually legally owned even if they are pilfered by the shooter who isn't the actual owner (as from a relative).
 
Hand guns are restricted here. You need a restricted license to purchase one. Almost all hand gun crimes are used with illegal hand guns smuggled in from the United States. Obviously there has always been a demand by the gangs and criminals for the guns but availability has spiked probably.
Well, here is says the breakdown is 45% Canadian vs. 55% American; at least in terms of illegal handguns that are confiscated.
 
Well, here is says the breakdown is 45% Canadian vs. 55% American; at least in terms of illegal handguns that are confiscated.

Used to be mostly stolen handguns from the USA, but now there is s big trend of people buying them legally and reselling them.
 
Hand guns are restricted here. You need a restricted license to purchase one. Almost all hand gun crimes are used with illegal hand guns smuggled in from the United States. Obviously there has always been a demand by the gangs and criminals for the guns but availability has spiked probably.

This is a very important point. I think mandatory minimums for carrying a restricted firearm are 3-5 years, and you won't find a gun store willing to break the rules. Most illegal guns have been smuggled in from the US for decades. Back in the day on the west coast organized criminals would trade BC bud for illegal guns over the border.
 
Well, here is says the breakdown is 45% Canadian vs. 55% American; at least in terms of illegal handguns that are confiscated.

That's really interesting and very discouraging for me. In a country like this they'll definitely further restrict hand gun ownership, which in our case probably means out right banning them.
 
Still no details on who did it? Yawn. Seems to be a pattern with Canadian police, they always wait as long as possible before saying anything.
 
I doubt this was an ISIS attack; they would have claimed it by now. Probably just another asshole who woke up hating the world and decided to take it out on innocent people.
 
Well, here is says the breakdown is 45% Canadian vs. 55% American; at least in terms of illegal handguns that are confiscated.
The break down doesn't break out the hand guns and shot guns though It says a credible source. I have two as well. My dad was a cop in Toronto for 35 years and his wife still is currently. Shot guns that gangs get usually come from break and enters.

Also when the numbers are filed off it would be difficult to determine the guns origins.
 
Still no details on who did it? Yawn. Seems to be a pattern with Canadian police, they always wait as long as possible before saying anything.
Is that not reasonable? They need some time to verify facts. We don't need more incidents like the crowd-sourced sleuthing during the Boston Bombings.
 
Also when the numbers are filed off it would be difficult to determine the guns origins.

Probably true but I heard that metallurgists claim you can see underneath the grinding with microscopes as the serial numbers are stamped. So I think like hard drives with the proper resources and incentive from law enforcement they can be traced.
 
The break down doesn't break out the hand guns and shot guns though It says a credible source. I have two as well. My dad was a cop in Toronto for 35 years and his wife still is currently. Shot guns that gangs get usually come from break and enters.

Also when the numbers are filed off it would be difficult to determine the guns origins.
Gotcha. I took the time to ferret this out:
American guns are killing our neighbors in Canada and Mexico
LA Times said:
From his first official day as candidate for president ("When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. . . They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists"), to his first speech as president ("This American carnage stops right here and stops right now") to last week's State of the Union address ("For decades, open borders have allowed drugs and gangs to pour into our most vulnerable communities"), Donald Trump has been clear that a core tenet of his policy agenda is closing the borders to keep violent criminals from coming into the country.

There are many flaws in this approach. Missing from President Trump's America First program, for instance, is a recognition that the exportation of violence actually goes in the other direction. The United States is culpable in lethal violence abroad because of our refusal to strengthen our own gun laws.

70% of the crime guns recovered and traced in Mexico, and 98% of crime guns in Canada originate in the U.S.

An astounding number of American guns are smuggled across the borders each year, where they are used to commit violent crimes. A new report from the Center for American Progress analyzing data from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) found that, from 2014 to 2016, more than 50,000 guns originally purchased in the U.S. were recovered in criminal investigations in 15 North American, Central American and Caribbean nations.

This tsunami of guns leaving the U.S. comes as no surprise when one considers two facts about firearms in this country: There are an astronomical number of them, and our laws are full of holes that enable trafficking.

To the first point, there are roughly 300 million guns in this country. And still, the gun industry continues to churn out more of them. In 2015 alone, the most recent year this data is available, 9,358,661 new firearms were manufactured in the U.S., making it the second-highest year for gun manufacturing in three decades.

We also do much less to protect our collective arsenal than other countries. Both Canada and Mexico have enacted strict laws regulating guns that include limits on assault-style rifles and more extensive background checks and vetting. In contrast, under U.S. federal law, a person can buy a gun from a private seller without a background check. And since the expiration of the federal assault weapons ban in 2004, there are few limits to amassing a stockpile of these highly dangerous weapons, except in the seven states that have banned them.

The effect of these weapons on our neighbors is disturbing. Mexico experienced a 20-year high in murders in 2017, and 66% of these were committed with a gun. In 1997, by contrast, only 15% of Mexico's murders involved a gun. Canada is experiencing more gun use in street crime, specifically semi-automatic rifles and handguns — a new phenomenon in that country. Our role in fueling these trends is obvious and alarming: 70% of the crime guns recovered and traced in Mexico, and 98% of crime guns in Canada originate in the U.S.

We could reduce the number of crime guns leaving the country, if only we could muster the political will to do so. Closing the private sale loophole and requiring a background check for all gun sales, not just those facilitated by a licensed gun dealer, would be a good start. These unregulated sales make it far too easy for traffickers to buy large numbers of guns without attracting the notice of law enforcement. We also need to enact a distinct federal crime for gun trafficking and straw purchasing so that prosecutors can focus on the individuals at the top of trafficking networks who are most responsible for arming both sides of the border.

In addition, we need to protect a crucial investigative tool used by ATF to gain information about potential trafficking activity — reports of multiple sales of long guns made by gun dealers in four southern border states. Every year, some in Congress try to prevent ATF from requiring these reports through a restrictive policy rider attached to ATF's budget, including in the 2018 budget passed by the House.

Some readers may be thinking, so what? Why should we care about public safety concerns of other nations, especially those like Mexico that have deeply rooted challenges that contribute to high rates of violence unconnected to the availability of U.S. guns. This is perhaps an understandable question in this time of America First. But if we want to claim any degree of moral authority in the world, we need to take a careful look at how our inaction on gun violence redounds to the detriment of the safety and security of our international community.
Yikes.
 
Time for Canada to build a wall. When the US sends it’s people they are murders, rapist, drug dealers and some are good people.
 
Hand guns are restricted here. You need a restricted license to purchase one. Almost all hand gun crimes are used with illegal hand guns smuggled in from the United States. Obviously there has always been a demand by the gangs and criminals for the guns but availability has spiked probably.


That doesn't matter ... you know b/c of the world's largest unprotected boarder. Thanks 'murica!
 
Gonna take a wild guess and say that this hand gun was purchased legally.
 
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