+++BREAKING+++Elderly, Children, and the Poor BTFO***WOW***

[AGGAMEMNON66]

It's ok though because we're apparently getting 2 trillion magic dollars from an unknown wizard.

They still let Obama print money?

 

[The Diplomat]

it's literally, by definition, a MEANS TESTED PROGRAM. The Health Insurance Association of America describes Medicaid as a "government insurance program for persons of all ages whose income and resources are insufficient to pay for health care"

this is the type of cognitive dissonance i'm talking about, people are arguing over the basic verified definitions of words and programs and expect to be taken seriously

Just sayin', you can get denied medicaid even if you fall under their bracket. Just because something says it is, don't mean it do.

 

[HunterSdVa29]

lol year in combat, you dudes get your ass kicked in every combat + afgastigan aint got nothing on the mean streets of B'more and you no it, also when i work out how far 29 palms is ill no where your crib is

actually a good friend of mine got shot right in front me in PG county over I shit you not a foul call in a game of 3on3. So ya, i do know

I also have personal firearms though, as does the vast majority of the city I live in (a marine base is essentially the only real employer). So again, good luck w/ that hahahahhahahahaha

 

[HomerThompson]

@HomerThompson I do know that just about everyone on disability gets medicaid and food stamps as a packaged deal. This can't be ignored when it comes to the data and statistics.

I agree that that should be considered. Still, I don't see some dramatic trend of ever rising social welfare programs. I appreciate all the content you added here too.

 

[sickc0d3r]

At what point have you guys spent enough on your military?

When everyone on welfare has enlisted, we're good.

 

[The Diplomat]

I agree that that should be considered. Still, I don't see some dramatic trend of ever rising social welfare programs. I appreciate all the content you added here too.

Thanks, you asked for data and I tried to provide.

I do think our entitlement spending is probably at it's peak when considering the past. But that doesn't mean bad peak or good peak, just that we're spending more than we ever have per GDP. I was surprised that we're *only* spending $106 billion a year on food stamps.

 

[The Diplomat]

When everyone on welfare has enlisted, we're good.

You really want mentally or physically disabled people in the armed forces? They won't even accept people who take medication.

 

[sickc0d3r]

You really want mentally or physically disabled people in the armed forces? They won't even accept people who take medication.

Nah, I was being sarcastic. I think it is silly emotional bullshit to assume welfare is just money wasted while military spending is all justified.

 

[lecter]

The only problem here is that he doesn't cut spending for military and domestic terrorist agencies

 

[The Diplomat]

Nah, I was being sarcastic. I think it is silly emotional bullshit to assume welfare is just money wasted while military spending is all justified.

I really can't tell who is sarcastic and not around here I used to pay attention to all of the typical liberal/conservatives but between everyone changing their god damned names and avatars, I stopped caring.

 

[HunterSdVa29]

so are we ignoring the staggering jump in SNAP participants even AFTER the recovery?

41M americans were still on them in 2016, conversely 17M were on them in 2000

just saying

 

[sickc0d3r]

I really can't tell who is sarcastic and not around here I used to pay attention to all of the typical liberal/conservatives but between everyone changing their god damned names and avatars, I stopped caring.

Understandable, no worries.

I'm very much utilitarian when it comes to wealth distribution. I see it as part of the man made system we live in, and any decision should be based on outcomes.

 

[MarloStanfield]

so are we ignoring the staggering jump in SNAP participants even AFTER the recovery?

41M americans were still on them in 2016, conversely 17M were on them in 2000

just saying

because wages havent gone up while the cost of living has sky rocketed, do you think you could survive on $8ph?
selfish cunts begrudge the less fortunate all the time instead of being thankful that their in a comfortable position in life,
what town do you live in?

 

[Diamond Jim]

And these are the people he actually helps.

 

[Dalarna3]

I agree, but that's largely the service sector and unskilled labor that will be effected.

At a certain pt, people need to accept that there are going to be natural selection's victims. Social Darwinism as it were. Propagating and perpetuating the cycle of poverty, IMO, does fine to gain votes for the left but it does absolutely nothing about addressing why these adults can't pay for their own offspring or plan for retirement properly.
With the lack of pensions/union pull in today's economy, it's only going to be worse when we all get older. So we either become Socialist or quasi like the Nordic systems (which peep their tax rates and get back to me about how many American's will be cool with 40%+ income tax and 18%+ VAT/sales tax) or we have to start cutting these people off and teach them to have accountability or fend for themselves.

This is an unsustainable system, that's only getting exponentially worse

So it's either kill the poor or have crazy taxes? Heaven forbid we return to pre-Reagan taxation where corporations/the super wealthy might *gasp* have to pay they same in taxes as the middle class!

 

[My Spot]

No, I still think you're a shit heel.

I was just trolling him with my superior like stat.

I don't really care about Sherdog likes.

Sure you don't. We believe you. Honestly.

 

[HunterSdVa29]

because wages havent gone up while the cost of living has sky rocketed, do you think you could survive on $8ph?
selfish cunts begrudge the less fortunate all the time instead of being thankful that their in a comfortable position in life,
what town do you live in?

i would never be in a position to survive on 8/hr b/c i'm not in HS anymore. However,i do live in the poorest incorporated city in the second poorest county in SoCal

i don't 'begrudge' the 'less fortunate' i just simply have no sympathy or empathy for them. when one can obtain subsidized or free housing, healthcare, food, cell phones, utilities, school lunches for children, etc... i find it awfully hard to relate to people that feel entitled to things they didn't earn and in fact are receiving b/c they made numerous poor life choices most likely to result in their current situation. If abortion and adoption were illegal, then perhaps i'd feel more sympathy for single parents, but it is so i don't. Not that anyone notices, but i've never actually remotely argued we should CUT or REDUCE these programs, primarily b/c of the kids that can't help how inept their parents are.

When you see say random afghans happy as humanly possible just to have a job cleaning portapotty's on a FOB and complain about nothing ever; or even say a immigrant to the US that grinds it out under the table and never whines or asks for shit, to me i can't then relate to people that have the benefit of being born in a first world nation and still require assistance from others (barring actually physical/mentally challenged people or something, of course they need help) to perform the basic adult functions in any civilized society.

I don't expect anyone to agree w/ me, but i'm just trying to explain my views.

 

[HunterSdVa29]

So it's either kill the poor or have crazy taxes? Heaven forbid we return to pre-Reagan taxation where corporations/the super wealthy might *gasp* have to pay they same in taxes as the middle class!

who's gonna fund campaigns then? they were publicly funded back then weren't they?

again, i'm thinking realistically, in a fantasy land yes we could do that. With the special interest groups and lobbyists so pervasive to fundraising now and what actually goes into legislation from both sides I personally don't see that changing.

Do you?

 

[luckyshot]

are supposed to just accept the growing trend of those on social aid?

I mean are we socialist or not? personal accountability is a thing in the US, we're not Europe

Nope. We're certainly not.

 

[Dalarna3]

who's gonna fund campaigns then? they were publicly funded back then weren't they?

again, i'm thinking realistically, in a fantasy land yes we could do that. With the special interest groups and lobbyists so pervasive to fundraising now and what actually goes into legislation from both sides I personally don't see that changing.

Do you?

As in political campaigns? They are still publicly funded, just not to the same level as outside sources. I think we should spend less on fancy TV ads telling people Trump is literally Hitler and robocalls telling people Hillary is Satan. Might make the issues more important. Lobbyists are parasites and should be removed. I don't think Congressmen are going to starve on their salaries.