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[The Diplomat]

Look man, I'm trying not to be a dick here. Read our posts and then realize why this isn't useful or relevant.

So you want data pertaining to welfare spending from the 70s to now?

 

[Rational Poster]

You were trying to discuss something serious until I mentioned your shitposting, then it was "fuck you" and emoticons.

That wasn't even directed at you. So..?

 

[HomerThompson]

are supposed to just accept the growing trend of those on social aid?

I mean are we socialist or not? personal accountability is a thing in the US, we're not Europe

Show me the growing trend. Facts and data please, not your feelings.

Read these messages @The Diplomat

 

[HomerThompson]

So you want data pertaining to welfare spending from the 70s to now?

Yes, or at least over some length of time. You can't claim that social welfare/benefit spending is at all time highs and then not back it up. All you posts was the federal budget from 2015, which provides no insight at all, and lends no credibility to his claim.

 

[The Diplomat]

Read these messages @The Diplomat

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/welfare_spending

 

[Buck Swope]

are supposed to just accept the growing trend of those on social aid?

I mean are we socialist or not? personal accountability is a thing in the US, we're not Europe

We are a republic whose constitution allows taxation to provide for "common welfare".

What the fuck are you going on about Skippy?

 

[The Diplomat]

Yes, or at least over some length of time. You can't claim that social welfare/benefit spending is at all time highs and then not back it up. All you posts was the federal budget from 2015, which provides no insight at all, and lends no credibility to his claim.

Specifically, overall government spending on entitlement programs increased at a 4.8 annual rate in the 40 years between 1972 and 2011, net of inflation. Health care spending increased at 5.7 percent per year (and federal government spending on health care increased at a 6.7 percent pace). In contrast, the gross domestic product grew at a rate of 2.7 percent over this period, with tax revenues increasing at about the same rate as the G.D.P.

Spending on infrastructure and government services, excluding defense, has kept pace with gross domestic product growth. (Spending on infrastructure and services by the federal government specifically has lagged gross domestic product growth somewhat, growing at 1.8 percent per year.) Also, most of the subcategories of infrastructure and services spending that usgovernmentspending.com tracks have decreased slightly as a share of the gross domestic product, including spending on transportation, education, science and technology. The major exception is spending on the category they describe as “protection,” reflecting the increase in the criminal justice apparatus, which has grown at 4.8 percent per year.

https://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/01/16/what-is-driving-growth-in-government-
spending/

 

[Law Talkin’ Guy]

At what point have you guys spent enough on your military?

 

[HomerThompson]

https://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/01/16/what-is-driving-growth-in-government-
spending/

I'm sorry, but Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid aren't welfare or social aid spending. There are specific taxes just for all 3 of those programs that everyone has to pay into. Food stamps, TANF, etc. are welfare.

 

[HomerThompson]

Entitlement spending is not the same as welfare/social aid.

 

[Rygu]

America is broke, for those who aren't complete idiots. If Trump wants to balance the budget any decade soon he has to cut a LOT and sacrifices will have to be made.

It's like making $50,000 a year and spending $100,000 a year. Year after year after year. Democrats love to spend spend spend as we saw with Obama doubling the national debt. Eventually some responsibility must be displayed with America's economy. Trump at least is making an attempt and not throwing trillions at unemployed sponges. The one thing I disagree strongly with though is taking benefits from the elderly. He should omit that one.

 

[The Diplomat]

I'm sorry, but Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid aren't welfare or social aid spending. There are specific taxes just for all 3 of those programs that everyone has to pay into. Food stamps, TANF, etc. are welfare.

Just providing data. Like I;ve said, I'm just playing devil's advocate, I'm not fighting for either side, just adding conversation.

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/food_stamps

There's data there on food stamp spending if one cares to read, and if one takes the source as credible.

 

[The Diplomat]

Entitlement spending is not the same as welfare/social aid.

Entitlements encompass all welfare spending, including SS, etc. Take it what you will. Here is more data

While spending on human services has grown to represent a greater share of GDP over time, the defense share has become smaller: It was 3.3% in fiscal 2016, versus 4.7% as recently as fiscal 2010. In general, and perhaps not surprisingly, defense spending consumes more of GDP during wartime (well over a third at the height of World War II) and less during peacetime. The major exception was the Reagan-era military buildup (which actually accelerated a buildup that began late in the Carter administration): From a post-Vietnam low of 4.5% of GDP in fiscal 1979, defense spending eventually peaked at 6% of GDP in fiscal 1986.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...-dollars-on-social-insurance-programs-mostly/

 

[HunterSdVa29]

how are medicare and medicaid not social aid?

whom exactly uses those entitlements?

cmon son

 

[HunterSdVa29]

He just flat out said no one here knows any poor people but him.

Fuck him again and you for defending him.

comprehension much?

of course not

where do i say, and i quote, 'no one here knows any poor people'

your level of rustlement is quite hilarious though, carry on

 

[The Diplomat]

how are medicare and medicaid not social aid?

whom exactly uses those entitlements?

cmon son

@HomerThompson I do know that just about everyone on disability gets medicaid and food stamps as a packaged deal. This can't be ignored when it comes to the data and statistics.

 

[HunterSdVa29]

You get a refund if you overpay during the year.

oh so that's why virtually all poor working class gets a refund

it's not the EITC or CDCC or Hope Education credit or any list of 'here you go, free shit' that is built into our tax system

 

[HunterSdVa29]

@HomerThompson I do know that just about everyone on disability gets medicaid and food stamps as a packaged deal. This can't be ignored when it comes to the data and statistics.

medicaid is literally for poor people per the wiki on it "social health care program for families or individuals with limited resources........"

well there it is, goldblum gif

 

[The Diplomat]

medicaid is literally for poor people per the wiki on it "social health care program for families or individuals with limited resources........"

well there it is, goldblum gif

One can apply for medicaid, even when they're poor, and get denied. Same with food stamps.

But if you get approved for disability, those two pretty much come automatically.

 

[HunterSdVa29]

One can apply for medicaid, even when they're poor, and get denied. Same with food stamps.

But if you get approved for disability, those two pretty much come automatically.

it's literally, by definition, a MEANS TESTED PROGRAM. The Health Insurance Association of America describes Medicaid as a "government insurance program for persons of all ages whose income and resources are insufficient to pay for health care"

this is the type of cognitive dissonance i'm talking about, people are arguing over the basic verified definitions of words and programs and expect to be taken seriously