Brazil In Turmoil: Jailed for corruption, ex-President Lula registered for presidency bid again

I did the mistake of looking at news headlines regarding Brazil today, after 30+ Brazilian men gang-raping a 16 year old and then posted the vid on Twitter.

What's even more disgusting are the excited responses with glee instead of condemnation from other Brazilians on Twitter. What the fuck Brazil?!

A country with a first world-political class and business elite, and a huge third world pupulation, that's clearly a trainwreck from every angle.

Every time I listen to or read a serious explanation of the situation there, I am left shaking my head. It's just corruption on all sides. A corrupt political group trying to depose a president on corruption chagres (because the country is sick of corruption) as that president is a threat to their current comfortable corruption, being supported by a population angry enough to believe it and stupid enough to rally behind them. Just boggling.
 
Every time I listen to or read a serious explanation of the situation there, I am left shaking my head. It's just corruption on all sides. A corrupt political group trying to depose a president on corruption chagres (because the country is sick of corruption) as that president is a threat to their current comfortable corruption, being supported by a population angry enough to believe it and stupid enough to rally behind them. Just boggling.

Glass ceilings, anyone?
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Sorry dude, the thread about the Canadian superiority complex and smugness is right there ---->
 
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Don't see why you need to apologize, pretty sure that's historically been our thing.

Did you have a point to make? Would you like to try again?
 
Don't see why you need to apologize, pretty sure that's historically been our thing.

Did you have a point to make? Would you like to try again?

I would love to, but wouldn't be better to talk to brazilians instead of making a strawman of what the argument is about? I mean calling the brazilian population stupid? Really?
Sounds very clearly to me that you don't want to talk, just have another reason to be a smug.

Oh and I'm accepting your apologies in advance, thanks. Next!
 
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Gotcha, you actually have nothing of note to say. It's unfortunate it took us this long to get here.
 
Gotcha, you actually have nothing of note to say. It's unfortunate it took us this long to get here.
Well, obviously you don't want to be in a position to talk all.
I just made simple questions and needed simple answers, which obviously were too much for you to handle. Got it .
Have a good night
 
You haven't posted a single legitimate question, unless you are counting your "talking to Brazilians" bit as one.

Brazil is a country with huge issues with poverty and crime, with a powerful and wealthy political class and extreme corruption. This entire debacle aligns with my original post. If you feel that some part of that post is not representative of the situation and how it has unfolded, feel free to point it out and explain why.
 
Brazil is a country with huge issues with poverty and crime, with a powerful and wealthy political class and extreme corruption. This entire debacle aligns with my original post. If you feel that some part of that post is not representative of the situation and how it has unfolded, feel free to point it out and explain why.

How about
"being supported by a population angry enough to believe it and stupid enough to rally behind them. "

have you ever checked what the population's stance is at all?

Danr, gotta sleep, maybe we can continue tomorrow
 
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What the population of the people who are angry enough to believe claims from one side or part of Brazil's government about the corruption of another side or part of Brazil's government which are used to obfuscate that sides own corruptions stance is?

Judging by the reporting I have seen, I would say that population is very tired of corruption, very loyal to "their" country, and often to their own 'side' or party, and thus easily directed by corrupt politicians towards other politicians who threaten their corruption (ironically being lead to direct their anger at corruption towards removing those in the way of the most corrupt).

If this is in fact not the case, I would love to hear more but, as I have said, everything I've read, seen and heard so far points to this being the reality (including the absurdity of "who's in next?", with a waiting group of significantly MORE corrupt politicians waiting for the current tops to be removed).
 
If this is in fact not the case, I would love to hear more but, as I have said, everything I've read, seen and heard so far points to this being the reality (including the absurdity of "who's in next?", with a waiting group of significantly MORE corrupt politicians waiting for the current tops to be removed).

thanks for the reply. I'll just abridge some points
- That's the entire plan. Thank God we have an independent federal police, and that's their entire plan, to make a complete sweeping of corruption scandals and show the population that they need to realize that the entire system is rigged. The fact that they started with the president was just the icing of the cake, they all have to fall.
BTW If things get proven, Dilma's party was actually the biggest corruption scandal in brazilian history. No one in all brazilian history was able to steal so much to the point of ruining petrobras.

-Brazilians hate politicians and political parties with passion and are LOVING the conversation leaks.the only exceptions to the rule maybe are the PT (left wing) and PMDB (center). Believe me, we hated FHC (center) and now Dilma (Left). The issue is that, just like in Venezuela, the PT has been accusing the opposers to be right wing, when in reality we have former PT Founders and left wing parties opposing the PT government too. Heck I am from PUC, one of the strongest leftist colleges in Brazil and I could quote so many marxist professors who were against PT, one of them the biggest authority on Marx in Brazil.

Here are just two very influencial politicians who opposed PT

Marina Silva (socialist)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marina_Silva

Chico de oliveira (PT founder)
https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francisco_de_Oliveira

Brazilian's opinions on the issue are much more complex than what the news are portraying them to be. We are not idiot's, we are not cheering for one party or another (although we have a preferred hate for some, specially the ones on top). We hope the Feds will start the fire, and who knows, maybe there will be a call for accountability . Temer is just another idiot who needs to fall if they find dirt in his shoes, and believe me, no one is going to cry for him, unless his fall brings this back

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- That's the entire plan. Thank God we have an independent federal police, and that's their entire plan, to make a complete sweeping of corruption scandals and show the population that they need to realize that the entire system is rigged.

I'm glad the federal police are there and trying to educate the population.
 
Oh and here is another interesting thing that happened. During the protests against Dilma, Aecio and Alckmin, two pmdb politicians (who are center leaning towards the right) tried to join them. They had to run away or they would have their butts kicked.

 
it seems like there wasn't any rape. she's keen on using drugs and she likes that kind of sex. and in an interview she contradicted herself many times and even her mother said that she likes orgies

if she keeps lying she's gonna wake up dead

She was probably not rapped, the case is a mess and now SJW are at full behind her. The confusion comes mostly from the guy who recorded saying "Fucked by 30" or along those lines, but that is from a shitty lyric from some odd favela song, the girl is sticking to the story but its full of holes.

- She says she was drugged, but was able to count 30 men when she woke up
- The place was very small to hold that many people
- After the aledge rape she went back to search for her smartphone
- There are pictures of her with guns (which are ilegal)
- She got pregnant at 13
- Attends favela parties fulled with drugs and sex on the streets
- There are videos of her doing gangbangs
- On the night she said she wanted to fuck at least 15 guys

But that does not matter, SJW are saying it was rape just because they filmed her and touched her while sleeping. I have not seen or care to see the video, can´t make a conclusion, there is a crime of exposing someone but I don´t think rape could stick in a investigation.

But people in favelas live their lives as animals, families don´t control their children, most of them are pregnant before 18, schools are awful, most can´t write or read. Imagine the worst american ghetto then try to imagine it worse.

I don´t mind if those guys catch jail because they are all criminals, related to drug traffic, not that I see harm in drugs, but to hold such positions it means they must have killed a lot of people for it.
 
How the fuck can favellas exist? Brazilains fascinating because their culture is so complexity different to what I'm used to. I can handle shitty gypsie communities but sprawling lawless favellas which are no go zones? Fuck that.
 
How the fuck can favellas exist? Brazilains fascinating because their culture is so complexity different to what I'm used to. I can handle shitty gypsie communities but sprawling lawless favellas which are no go zones? Fuck that.

It is absolutely boggling. reading about Brazil attempting to prepare for the Olympics, the push of the police into them and push of the gangs back... it's not a problem that I can imagine being solved within the several decades. I wouldn't be shocked if they still existed with minimal improvement in half a century.
 
People better start getting organized down there or things are going to get really bad.
 
Brazil's Interim President Michel Temer implicated in Petrobras bribery scheme
June 15,2016

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Brazilian interim President Michel Temer has been implicated in a bribery scheme at the state oil company, Petrobras.

The allegations came from a former Petrobras executive, Sergio Machado, who has been giving plea bargain evidence to prosecutors.

He said Mr Temer, among others, had asked him for illegal campaign contributions for a political ally.

Michel Temer has denied all the allegations.

Reuters quoted his office as saying that he had always observed campaign finance laws.

Mr Machado, who is himself accused of corruption, said Mr Temer requested the donation of around $440,000 (£309,000) for his PMDB party's candidate's campaign in the mayoral elections in Sao Paulo in 2012.

He said the contribution was made by a construction company and masked as an official campaign donation.

The money originated from the kickback scheme involving contracts handed out by Petrobras, he added.

He said that at the time he had made it clear to Mr Temer that the funds requested would come from "illicit resources".

According to the Folha de Sao Paulo newspaper, Mr Temer has denied asking for illegal contributions to his party's electoral campaigns and has said he never found himself in an "inappropriate place" with Sergio Machado.

He took office a month ago after his party played a leading part in getting President Dilma Rousseff suspended to face an impeachment trial.

Since then he has lost two cabinet members over an alleged corruption cover-up related to the Petrobras scandal.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-36545331
 
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Brazil’s Tourism Minister Resigns Amid Corruption Accusations
JUNE 16, 2016


BRASÍLIA — Less than two months before Brazil hosts the Olympics, the country’s tourism minister resigned Thursday, becoming the third minister in a month to step down amid a sweeping graft investigation of the state oil company Petrobras.

Tourism Minister Henrique Alves was one of two dozen officials named in plea bargain testimony by a former Petrobras executive linking the interim president, Michel Temer, and several of his closest allies to Brazil’s biggest corruption scandal ever.

While Mr. Temer dismissed the accusations as frivolous lies, the latest resignation emphasized the risks that come with the sweeping Petrobras investigation, which has thrown Brazil’s politics into chaos and deepened its worst recession in decades.

Sérgio Machado, a former senator from Mr. Temer’s party who ran the shipping arm of Petrobras for more than a decade, was the latest of several politicians and executives who, when pressed by investigators, offered information about friends and allies.

Mr. Machado told prosecutors that Mr. Alves, who served four decades as a congressman, had solicited about $450,000 in campaign funds from the scheme. Mr. Machado said the contributions were made legally but resulted from kickbacks owed by engineering companies that received Petrobras contracts.

Mr. Alves denied the accusation and said late Wednesday on Twitter that contributions to his campaigns had been made through official channels and declared to election authorities.

His resignation adds to recent upheaval at the Tourism Ministry in Brazil, where a global marketing campaign for the Olympics was delayed for months because of a revolving door of ministers and secretaries caused by the political crisis.

“I don’t want to create embarrassments or any difficulties for the government,” Mr. Alves said in a letter to Mr. Temer provided to journalists on Thursday, explaining that he had resigned to focus on defending himself from the accusations.

Mr. Temer also dismissed the graft allegations as dishonest and reckless, pledging in a national address on Thursday morning that his government would not be distracted from fiscal efforts to revive the economy.

Mr. Temer said it was “irresponsible, ridiculous, mendacious and criminal” to suggest, as Mr. Machado did, that he had sought campaign funds for his party from the graft scheme, the first direct link implicating Mr. Temer in the scandal.

The plea bargain testimony, implicating Mr. Temer and senior members of his governing coalition, stole the thunder from a landmark fiscal initiative revealed the same day.

On Thursday, Brazilian newspapers splashed the bribery allegations across their front pages, pushing the government’s proposed 20-year constitutional cap on public spending far below the fold.

Mr. Machado’s plea deal included allegations that Mr. Temer had sought campaign funds for his party’s 2012 São Paulo mayoral candidate from the graft scheme at Petrobras, the biggest ever uncovered in Brazil.

The accusations provide more fodder for the suspended president, Dilma Rousseff, and her allies, who accuse Mr. Temer and his party of mounting an impeachment process against her to distract from their own roles in the corruption scandal.

Ms. Rousseff faces a trial in the Senate on unrelated charges of breaking budget rules.

As many as a dozen of the 55 senators who voted last month to put Ms. Rousseff on trial are now undecided, according to surveys by Brazilian news media. If just a couple of them change sides, the Temer camp will fall short of the 54 votes — equivalent to two-thirds of the 81-seat Senate — needed to convict Ms. Rousseff.

If she is convicted in mid-August, as many analysts still expect, Ms. Rousseff will be permanently removed from office, and Mr. Temer will serve out her term until the 2018 election.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/17/world/americas/brazil-petrobras-henrique-alves.html
 
This is turning into a real shit show. Its almost poetic that this is all happening in the lead up to the Olympics. I never cared for the labeling of the legitimate democratic process of impeachment as a coup but it does seem like those analysts who called it an effort to scapegoat Dilma by corrupt politicians are being vindicated.
 
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