Boxing > MMA. Holm owns Rousey

I never said you couldn't utilize the jab in MMA, in fact I agree it is under used. You have to understand though, it is every different than in Boxing, especially if opponent is some odd Karate style.

that's where bringing in a karate specialist can come in handy so you can learn to establish their distance and time them utilizing footwork off the opportunities the jab creates. You can then mix up for take downs etc, but nobody utilized sharp angle cuts like Holmes did. It's good Mr Ben, they are realizing to form new techniques and transitions. You will see what i see and the idea will enter inside you nicely.
 
lol Looks like you could use some boxing lessons.

C'mon Nac, stop trying to insert your will inside Mr Ben like that, let's be civil here. Let him come to the conclusion himself, you can't always force your way inside people like that, it is inappropriate. Dignity and respect is what we have to come to realize when in civil dialect, it's the only way to properly absorb yourself in ones existence.
 
Lots of Freudian stuff going on above me, lol.

I know how to massage the mind Athenry, it's the only way to be able to get inside and impart my ideas.
 
The funny thing about this is Holly made her mma debut before Ronda. She has actually trained mma longer than ronda. It was a boxer who beat judoka if we gonna go that route. But the truth is a better mma fighter beat a lesser mma fighter. Hollys trademark is her high kick which she has hurt with several opponents.
 
Yeah, and you lose all credibility when you call Nac (one of the most informed posters here) a fucking idiot.

This is the equivalent of someone saying, "Logicalinsanity isn't sexy at all"

Why don't you look at that the actual context of the post instead of riding his E-dick.

Mmmmmm, Dana fanboy on Dana fanboy violence.


A boxer found success in a thin division??? Color me suprised. A pro wrestler had found success in a thin division for god sakes. Call me when a boxer becomes champion in the UFC welterweight or lightweight division and then I'll be impressed.

Dana didn't allowed it, he wouldn't pick up the phone the last time. He was afraid for Sherk's health.
You'll be waiting forever for that phone call.
 
Ben-mma has my respect. He has actually been in pro fights unlike most people in this thread.
 
Ben-mma has my respect. He has actually been in pro fights unlike most people in this thread.

Lots of dumb fighters out there. Ask Brandon Rios to break down a fight for you and see how in-depth his analysis gets.

And Brandon is an elite professional, not some bum sacrificing his health to participate in a glorified fight club for peanuts.

More importantly, nobody comes across respectable when they go around cursing people out on the internet, it's closer to pathetic actually.
 
Lots of dumb fighters out there. Ask Brandon Rios to break down a fight for you and see how in-depth his analysis gets.

And Brandon is an elite professional, not some bum sacrificing his health to participate in a glorified fight club for peanuts.

More importantly, nobody comes across respectable when they go around cursing people out on the internet, it's closer to pathetic actually.


Go get him, nac...


Ah screw it, I'll do it myself:

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Ben-mma has my respect. He has actually been in pro fights unlike most people in this thread.

Honestly who cares if he has pro fights? I have had 4 Muay Thai fights got paid nothing for the first two and then got 50 bucks a pop for the next and a shitty trophy LOL. I know for a fact posters on here know ten times more than me about the fight game and could break down a fight better than I ever could.
 
Anyone who thinks that the stand up fight between Rousey and Holm was even remotely close loses all their credibility regardless of their profession. A person with professional fights does not get to bypass little things like logic and reality because they are involved in the thing they are discussing. If anything, it's actually quite pathetic and sad when a person is unable to evaluate basic tenets of their profession without sounding slow. Rhonda was embarrassed on Sat. because she shared the view of ALOT of stupid people. She thought she had adequate boxing skills and as a result of this she was beaten, bloodied, and knocked out in devastating fashion, inside two rounds, by a person with actual boxing pedigree. So this was not Boxing vs. MMA but rather A boxer vs a person who thought they could box.
 
Anyone who thinks that the stand up fight between Rousey and Holm was even remotely close loses all their credibility regardless of their profession. A person with professional fights does not get to bypass little things like logic and reality because they are involved in the thing they are discussing. If anything, it's actually quite pathetic and sad when a person is unable to evaluate basic tenets of their profession without sounding slow. Rhonda was embarrassed on Sat. because she shared the view of ALOT of stupid people. She thought she had adequate boxing skills and as a result of this she was beaten, bloodied, and knocked out in devastating fashion, inside two rounds, by a person with actual boxing pedigree. So this was not Boxing vs. MMA but rather A boxer vs a person who thought they could box.

Holm is an mma fighter who has a boxing background. This wasn't a boxer vs someone who thought they could box, if that was the case Ronda would have broken her arm in round 1.
 
Holm is an mma fighter who has a boxing background. This wasn't a boxer vs someone who thought they could box, if that was the case Ronda would have broken her arm in round 1.

The boxer losing is not as clear cut as you make it out to be. But I agree that Holm has rounded out her game. She rounded it out enough to develop good enough take down, and clinch defense to force a stand up fight. And during these engagements, she demonstrated the gulf in skill level between them. And it is interesting that Rhonda was unable to demonstrate this gulf in skill during the grappling segments of the fight.
 
The boxer losing is not as clear cut as you make it out to be. But I agree that Holm has rounded out her game. She rounded it out enough to develop good enough take down, and clinch defense to force a stand up fight. And during these engagements, she demonstrated the gulf in skill level between them. And it is interesting that Rhonda was unable to demonstrate this gulf in skill during the grappling segments of the fight.

That's the entire point, if Holly didn't have those skills to stop a takedown or get out of submissions on the ground she would have lost. So we can't chalk this up to a boxer beating an mma fighter like so many have claimed. Holly utilized many tools to win the fight, boxing being one of the main ones.
 
That's the entire point, if Holly didn't have those skills to stop a takedown or get out of submissions on the ground she would have lost. So we can't chalk this up to a boxer beating an mma fighter like so many have claimed. Holly utilized many tools to win the fight, boxing being one of the main ones.

Agreed. I would argue that boxing is among the best bases to start from along with wrestling. But your point remains.
 
It's not a cardinal sin it's just illegal but tons of boxers do it: Hopkins, lennox lewis, Tyson, Mayweather and a lot of others it should be legal probably.

And dirty boxing is everything that is technically illegal under Queensberry rules holding and hitting is just one thing

I'm wondering if biting people's ears off might also fall under the category of dirty boxing. That would mean that Mike Tyson is a dirty boxer too. LOL
 
that's what i like about jon jones he uses the oblique kicks as a jab to keep opponents at a distance, what he doesn't do is use them to time a counter. He has many countering opportunities but it is easier said then done. Holly is the only one i have seen at the world stage utilize the jab to establish distance, once she did that she moved around till she found rondas pattern and started to time her. Jones hasn't perfected the timing, but you will never even be close to timing properly unless you master the jab. Aldo i have seen counter well, especially off of other fighters, but that's only on capitalizing on opponents lazy attacks.

the jab opens the crevice Mr Pass, once you opened their guard, little by little you can begin to slide inside their defense nicely. they will be confused at first but once they have felt the damage accumulate as their defense opens and gapes they will accept the reality, the discomfort would be too much, and begin to slowly break down in confidence and ego. In effect making it easier to set up for more powerful attacks as the defense will be loose you will see more openings to set up angles etc.

Here's a fight from Aldo where he utilizes the jab well.

One of Aldo's best fights.



Jose is my favorite MMA fighter because he has such a well rounded striking game, but he's great at everything. He has some of the best defense and footwork in MMA as well.
 
B-Hop was (or still is) a master at getting away with fouls.

vs. Joe Calzaghe he acted as if Calzaghe low blowed him in order to get a five minute break in a fight he was losing.

The referee had to give him those 5 minutes, but he didn't took any point away from Calzaghe. That's something B-Hop capitalized on as he intentionally low blowed Calzaghe during the very same round. Logically we're now talking about an illegal foul, but due to the scene earlier the referee couldn't do anything, because he didn't took any point away from Calzaghe either.

Not the general idea of boxing, but that's Bernard Hopkins.

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B-Hop was (or still is) a master at getting away with fouls.

vs. Joe Calzaghe he acted as if Calzaghe low blowed him in order to get a five minute break in a fight he was losing.

The referee had to give him those 5 minutes, but he didn't took any point away from Calzaghe. That's something B-Hop capitalized on as he intentionally low blowed Calzaghe during the very same round. Logically we're now talking about an illegal foul, but due to the scene earlier the referee couldn't do anything, because he didn't took any point away from Calzaghe either.

Not the general idea of boxing, but that's Bernard Hopkins.

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That's the only time I can remember off of the top of my head where a fighter ACTUALLY took the whole 5 minutes.
 
No, to people who understand what they watched, Holly won with Boxing, Footwork, Judo, Wrestling, and BJJ. You are just a fucking idiot

Lol where the fuck did she display any judo in that fight? Defensive wrestling/BJJ, perhaps.

Also, she developed footwork from her boxing game, her lead hooks and straight were all honed from her boxing experience. What is so hard to understand about that?

Even cutting angles, and slipping punches. These tools come from boxing, not karate, not BJJ, not judo.

she softened Ronda up with boxing, and finished her off with a head kick. VIOLA
 
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