Boeing loses $20 billion dollar Iran deal

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  1. MicroBrew

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    Boeing C.E.O. Downplays Loss of $20 Billion Contract With Iran
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/09/us/politics/boeing-ceo-iran.html


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    Why did Trump ditch the Iran deal?

    Well there is his ego and need to undo anything Obama did
    But there is also the Israel lobby pushing him to wage war against Iran.
    Saudis also want Trump to fight their tribal wars like Israel is doing but Saudi could never get the US to fight Iran; they just don't have the influence needed.


    So how exactly is Israel an ally and benefit to the US when their manipulation of US MidEast policy ends up costing America jobs, and in the case of Iraq ,it cost Americans over 5K dead, many times that injured and 1 trillion + in expense.

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    Soo far Trump is:

    Making Israel Great Again
    Making Saudi Arabia Great Again
     
  2. Quequeg

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    They didn't payoff Don the Con or the Israelis and Saudis made a higher offer.
     
  3. Bobby 3 Sticks

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    Why are you americans so dumb and can never take responsibility for your own actions? There you go again blaming foreign countries. Just like half you people blame Russia etc.

    http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/a...e-other-country-for-their-own-policy.3760597/
     
  5. zebby23

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    Dont forget about Making China great again
     
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    I suppose you could say Americans were dumb to allow Israel's 5th column to infiltrate and take the reigns of American MidEast policy.

    If it weren't for Israeli interests and Neocons pushing Israel first, the Iran deal would still be on the table. It was Israel and their advocates here, the Neocons, who got the US into fighting Saddam. Even Friedman at the NYTimes admitted it was the Neocons who made the war. And Friedman was an Iraq war supporter.
     
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    see you may be right. i dont know. but i do know that it seems too easy of scapegoat for you because i seen some of your other posts and you always blame these ´neocons´ and i agree that there views on russia and stuff is hypocritical and stupid but you blame them for everything. But what I dont get is why you seem to absolve blame from the collective large majority of americans who vote republican that put these people into power. There has to be more widespread support for this stuff then you think. also who is friedman? that name could mean so many different people.
     
  8. ookii

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    Its not too late for Boeing to contact Michael Cohen and send quarterly payments to him
     
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    I blame them for specific foreign policy decisions, like the Iraq war, the anti Russian phobia they have and the US relationship with Iran and Israel. I don't blame them for what the US does with China or NK.
     
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    Nonsense.

    Unlike Airbus, Boeing didn't lose shit. The cancellation of the Iran nuke deal is a huge win for them, at least to any financial analysts with a functional brain.

    And ofcourse Boeing would see this financial loss as a nothingburger, consider that the so-called "$20 Billion deal" doesn't actually exists. Boeing's financials has never considered IranAir's "$20 billion deal" a real purchase order in the first place, given the fact that IranAir has yet to find enough financing to even pay for the required downpayment deposit to finalize the deal.

    Having said that, let's look at the key facts surrounding this non-deal:




    Which begs the question: how many rubes in this circle-jerk is capable of reading AND comprehending the article in the OP, as they laments for poor little Boeing and their hypothetical "financial loss" that doesn't even exists on paper, while completely oblivious to the windfall that Boeing Defense, Space & Security arm, a huge part of the American Military Industrial Complex, is about to reap from all the weapons of war that ARE being assembled on Boeing's production lines, earmarked to be sent to current and future customers in the Middle East thanks to the collapse of the Iran nuke deal?

    And yes, THOSE weapons purchase orders are actually real and properly recorded in Boeing's financials.

    As far as barking up the wrong tree goes, people crying for Boeing's "loss" are about as intelligent as the people who lamented for the U.S' "suffering" when Saudi Arabia and Russia reduce their daily crude oil outputs, while completely oblivious to the fact that thanks to OPEC's shenanigans, the U.S is on track to become the world's #1 exporter of crude and oil products.
     
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    Trump has fucked Boeing over so hard in recent months. lol. Glad I sold that stock.
     
  12. MicroBrew

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    That article does not validate your opinion. It only states that Boeing had not started building the planes , because Boeing had a feeling Trump might scrap the Iran deal, which meant Boeing would lose their deal.

    So even the article states that it is because of Trump's stated opposition to the deal and it finally being scuttled that Boeing has lost out. If Trump hadn't pulled out of the deal, Boeing would be building those planes.

    Here's more popular media saying Boeing lost the deal because of Trump pulling out of the Iran deal.
    So all these media are also wrong?

    Boeing, Airbus to lose $39 billion in contracts because of Trump sanctions on Iran.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.53f96f0dc3c4

    Boeing’s $20bn Iran contracts frozen by sanctions
    https://www.ft.com/content/539b7e24-5318-11e8-b3ee-41e0209208ec

    Boeing to lose $20B as Trump withdraws from Iran pact: report
    http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...-20-billion-as-trump-withdraws-from-iran-pact


    Trump Administration Orders Boeing To Cancel Deal With Iran




     
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    Because they will probably get more contracts for defense related items that somehow means they're gaining by not also having the 20 billion Iran deal?
     
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    I believe he's contending that because Boeing isn't supplying Iran with the 20bn for planes that Boeing will likely benefit because of the increased military tensions in the region and would be supplying weapons to those other countries (Israel, Saudi Arabia) and would more than make up for that loss of revenue.
     
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    But surely Jews own many shares of Boeing. Or maybe they shorted it a while ago.
     
  17. MicroBrew

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    All I got from his post is that Boeing wasn't losing anything since they didn't build any planes and had plans in place. But that is only because of Trump's threats against the Iran nuke deal.
     
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    If we do go to war, and I hope we don't, Boeing will profit, while America suffers.

    But knowing our politicians, and Trump promise of increased MIC expenditure anyways, Boeing is still and was always going to make money on that side of the business. There is no need to really include that aspect when discussing Boeing losing out on a chance to sell planes of peace. This kind of sale also helps to steer all sides in the direction of peaceful existence. That sale could have been a gain for everyone, not just Boeing.
     
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    I'm saying that as far as Boeing is concerned, that "20 billion Iran deal" wasn't real in the first place, and they were fully expecting the profits that will rolls in when the nuclear deal collapse.

    Why cry for Boeing, when they are probably busting out their champagne as we speak? o_O

    The fact that Boeing never even bothered to input this hypothetical "20 billion sale to Iran" in any of their production forecasts and revenue projections, nor did they actually have any plans to procure any raw materials or assign any part of their production lines to accomodate Iran's order at all, while all current AND future weapon sales to other Middle Eastern countries ARE dutily noted in the books and are part of Boeing's production/revenue forecasts, speaks volume about the immaterial nature of this deal (and the hypothetical financial loss) as Boeing sees it from the start.

    Accounting wise, we can't even call this a lost opportunity, as Boeing successfully parleyed something that they know isn't real to get Iran's enemies into buying even more shit from them, with larger quantities at a faster rate. It's a worthless napkin contract that brought in real money from other people.

    Oh, and I'm just throwing this well-known fact out there: Boeing's passenger jets business is doing so well, they currently have a huge official backlog of 6,000 jets on orders for $486 Billions. That backlog currently doesn't even include the jets that Iran want to buy.

    When the Iran nuclear deal collapse, Boeing didn't really lose anything and have everything to gain in the foreseeable future. On the other hand, Airbus is the one being shafted as their business contingent on the nuclear deal is crumbling to pieces, the passenger jets they ARE building for Iran is fucked, because even if Europe doesn't impose sanction on Iran, Airbus planes can't fly without U.S-made components.

    You people would be better off talking about how much Airbus is actually losing, as their business deal with Iran is actually real and now in jeopardy. But then the WR's financial wizards would prefer to cry for poor little Boeing and their incoming billions in profits instead of the real loser in Airbus, for God knows why.
     
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    I’m Boeing the withdrawal from the Iran deal! [​IMG]
     
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