Locked BLACK PANTHER Thread V.2 (First Critics' Reviews)

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Flat out lie? Take a stroll down Youtube lane. Spawn has the most stock 90s movie trailer setup while Blade has techno/house in its trailer. You could be blind folded and not know nor care the heroes were black.

In this trailer, It is as if we are getting a caricature of a hero being black, yet im the one whos racist cuz i can see it? Holy shit boys and girls, no way this isnt obvious.

So you see Black Panther as a caricature of a black super hero? LMAO keep outing yourself, wow.

And again you are flat out lying about Spawn and Blade not including references to the blackness of the protagonist and/or including elements of black culture throughout their movies, comics, cartoons and everything else. Each respective franchise is rife with culturally relative/specific content in this regard.

Why don't you answer my question about the musical scores in THOR?
 
You know Dragon is just gonna come in and tell y'all to quit it. Then he might erase one of my posts and then y'all will have really done it then.
 
Jesus, there wasnt anything racist about it, softy.
Yes there was.

Go watch the TV show Vikings and see if it does not have a cultural vibe based on the people being portrayed. Go watch Dances with Wolves and same. Japanese movies same. Etc, etc, etc.

Almost every single movie portraying a culture will have that undertone and vibe you talk about but for some strange reason this one just happens to trigger you when the others don't. I wonder why?

NO where in the trailer do they refer to race or make any thing racial. They are just exposing the MCU to a new culture and apparently you think they should have riverdance or some other type of back drop setting vibe to it. Ridiculous.
 
Black Panther was awesome in Civil War (although I didn't really care for that movie). I've pretty much given up superhero movies sans Guardian's of the Galaxy, but I liked this trailer it definitely looked different and almost Sci-Fi at times. Might check it out once it's available online. Marvel superhero movies are stale as fuck though, pretty much the same generic formula with the exception of GoTG.
 
There are memes of tribal african people in space flying space ships.
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I was more focused on your "it's too afrocentric" comment. I would never guess that a movie based on an African king/superhero, who resides in an African country, would have significant focus on African culture.

Also, I never read a Black Panther comic and even I know the city is supposed to be one of the most technologically advanced cities in the Marvel universe but they put up a front so people don't come looking for it. The people aren't tribal
 
Googled black panther to see what powers he has and this article was the first result (I'll just post part of it)

Funny, given the back and forth in this thread:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/heatst...els-unofficial-affirmative-action-policy/amp/

The source, speaking on condition of anonymity, said that the antagonism arose from the Black Panther‘s personnel set-up. He said: “The Black Panther cast is predominantly African-American which of course suits the material. But in addition to the performers in the movie, Marvel and Disney also took the decision to ensure there were black staffers high up in every department of the Black Panther crew.

“This affirmative action policy might be fine in theory but unfortunately in practice a certain level of stress existed between new members of the crew and some Marvel veterans.

“The tension wasn’t ever about race. It was more over decisions relating to the day-to-day filming process and the shooting of action sequences in the movie.”

Coogler hired what the official Marvel press release describes as his “creative brain trust”. This included production designer Hannah Beachler, costume designer Ruth E. Carter and co-writer Joe Robert Cole, all of whom are black.

The source added: “Ryan Coogler really knows what he’s doing and hopefully the movie will turn out great. But things weren’t helped by the fact that Chadwick Boseman kept behaving like a difficult star throughout shooting and was far more demanding and exacting in how he behaved to the crew than previous Marvel leading men. ”
 
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I was more focused on your "it's too afrocentric" comment. I would never guess that a movie based on an African king/superhero, who resides in an African country, would have significant focus on African culture.

Also, I never read a Black Panther comic and even I know the city is supposed to be one of the most technologically advanced cities in the Marvel universe but they put up a front so people don't come looking for it. The people aren't tribal
I'm done with the Vikings TV show. I can't stand them stuffing the viking culture and undertones down our throat.

They need to clean that shit up and make it look more like Jersey Shore with the Vikings setting or something more neutral. :eek:
 
I think he purifies himself in the waters of Lake Minna-we're-gonna-make-up-an-afrocentric-name. (It's a royal herb given only to the kings of Wakanda; but apparently that's changed now.)

Among the Black Panther's abilities are firm knowledge of American criminal law, non-violent protest, and lawful observation of police tactics.
 
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I was more focused on your "it's too afrocentric" comment. I would never guess that a movie based on an African king/superhero, who resides in an African country, would have significant focus on African culture.

Also, I never read a Black Panther comic and even I know the city is supposed to be one of the most technologically advanced cities in the Marvel universe but they put up a front so people don't come looking for it. The people aren't tribal
no I didnt mean it like that. I said it had an Afrocentric vibe not that it was too centered around black people. If they wanted to cast all black people I wouldnt care. I'm probably going to see it.

They may be technologically advanced but they are tribal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Panther_(comics)
"The Black Panther is the ceremonial title given to the chief of the Panther Tribe of the advanced African nation of Wakanda. In addition to ruling the country, he is also chief of its various tribes (collectively referred to as the Wakandas). The Panther habit is a symbol of office (head of state) and is used even during diplomatic missions. The Panther is a hereditary title, but one still must earn it."
 
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no I didnt mean it like that. I said it had an Afrocentric vibe not that it was too centered around black people. If they wanted to cast all black people I wouldnt care. I'm probably going to see it.

They may be technologically advanced but they are tribal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Panther_(comics)
"The Black Panther is the ceremonial title given to the chief of the Panther Tribe of the advanced African nation of Wakanda. In addition to ruling the country, he is also chief of its various tribes (collectively referred to as the Wakandas). The Panther habit is a symbol of office (head of state) and is used even during diplomatic missions. The Panther is a hereditary title, but one still must earn it."
They use the word Tribe like we in the West use the word community.

It has no suggestion to a lack of sophistication but rather to how they organize themselves. We would call it organizing by family, religious or community lines. They organize by tribal relationships or sects.
 
They use the word Tribe like we in the West use the word community.

It has no suggestion to a lack of sophistication but rather to how they organize themselves. We would call it organizing by family, religious or community lines. They organize by tribal relationships or sects.
Apparently indigenous africans prefer the term clan over tribe. In any case I was not implying a lack of sophistication, just that in the comic book, the Black Panther was a tribal leader.
 
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Lol! All these years, i just barely notice the black family behind the kid.
 
Apparently indigenous africans prefer the term clan over tribe. In any case I was not implying a lack of sophistication, just that in the comic book, the Black Panther was a tribal leader.
ok.

But there is nothing inconsistent with them being tribal and technologically advanced.
 
lol of course this movie would bring out the thin skinned social injustice warriors

maybe this trailer should be a war-room thread, let the Trump Corps pile on

Trailer looked fine imo. Movie looks like a neat little super hero movie. "If you like those, you'll like this" sort of thing.
 
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The source added: “Ryan Coogler really knows what he’s doing and hopefully the movie will turn out great. But things weren’t helped by the fact that Chadwick Boseman kept behaving like a difficult star throughout shooting and was far more demanding and exacting in how he behaved to the crew than previous Marvel leading men. ”

Plot twist, Michael B Jordan becomes the new Black Panther. He then goes to space and reunites with Sly and the girl from Creed who's in Thor.
 
Update: July 11, 2017

New BLACK PANTHER Images from Entertainment Weekly


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Star Chadwick Boseman (42, Get On Up) says this movie will show a different dimension to T'Challa, protecting the place he loves, rather than pursuing a mission of vengeance. In this scene, he personally takes down some interlopers who have entered Wakanda seeking its Vibranium riches.

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This is a clash at Warrior Falls, a holy place in Wakanda, and the combatants are the new king, T'Challa, and Erik Killmonger (Michael B. Jordan), a dissident and would-be usurper to the throne. Black Panther's secret service, the Dora Milaje, look on impassively, so this is clearly a sanctioned fight. We don't yet know what brings these two men into hand-to-hand conflict...

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Another mystery: What is the origin of the bumpy, ritualistic tribal markings across Killmonger's chest and torso? "That is a story reveal that we’d like to preserve," says executive producer Nate Moore (Captain America: Civil War.) The raised pattern resembles the scar tattoos of Ethiopia's Mursi and Surma tribes.

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Women hold great power in Wakandan culture. The Dora Milaje, which is a combination of Special Forces and Secret Service, is all female — and led by Okoye (The Walking Dead's Danai Gurira, left). On the right is Ayo (Florence Kasumba), the king's personal guard. Between them stands Nakia (Oscar winner Lupita Nyong'o), who serves as an undercover operative traveling the world to protect Wakanda's interests ... and hunt its enemies.

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Here are the same three in their ceremonial attire. Gurira's Okoye and Kasumba's Ayo wear the scarlet-beaded armor of the Dora (along with expressions of alarm.) Nyong'o's Nakia is also clad in traditional Wakandan garb, all of it manifested from the imagination of costume designer Ruth E. Carter (Selma, Malcolm X).

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Director and co-writer Ryan Coogler (Fruitvale Station, Creed) confers with Boseman in this behind-the-scenes image. "What makes him different from other superheroes first and foremost is he doesn’t see himself as a superhero,” the filmmaker says of T'Challa. "He sees himself as a politician. That’s the first thing on his mind when he wakes up in the morning: 'How am I going to fulfill my duties as king of this place?'"

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Boseman (42, Get On Up) says Black Panther tackles T'Challa's unresolved issues from Civil War, like the assassination of his father T'Chaka (John Kani), the previous king of Wakanda. "It [explores] his mourning process, his connection to why his father was killed, and feeling like he should have been able to do something about it," Boseman says. "All that ties into how he's going to rule."
 
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Zuri (played by Oscar winner Forest Whitaker) stands watch at Warrior Falls. He is a shaman and trusted adviser of the past king and now fulfills the wise elder role for T'Challa as he grieves the loss of his father. "He’s somewhat a religious figure or spiritual figure,” Coogler says.

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Black Panther's sister, Shuri (Letitia Wright), accompanies Nakia and Ramonda, his mother (played by Angela Bassett), on a mission into the icy regions of Wakanda, where treacherous M'Baku (Winston Duke, not pictured) rules the mountain tribe. Along for the trip is CIA operative Everett K. Ross (Martin Freeman), one of the few outsiders welcomed into the reclusive nation. "We could make five movies only about Panther and his world because it's so rich," says producer Kevin Feige, president of Marvel Studios.

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Feige says the film honors the history of Marvel's first black superhero. "Creating a character named Black Panther, who comes across in those early comics as smarter than everybody else, is shrewder than everybody else, comes from a country that is more advanced than any other country... They were doing this in the ‘60s, right in the middle of the Civil Rights movement. That’s pretty good," Feige says. "And we are certainly not going to shy away from that."

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In the comics, Erik Killmonger was originally named N'Jadaka and takes his new death-dealing name after being exiled from Wakanda. All we know of this antagonist in the film is that he thinks he would be a stronger ruler than T'Challa — and intends to prove it. "I can say that I identify with Killmonger’s character," Boseman says. "He definitely has a different point of view. They are polar opposites."

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Behind the two adversaries stands W'Kabi (played by Get Out star Daniel Kaluuya). He's T'Challa's best friend, but also a fierce warrior from the border tribe, which is responsible for helping Wakanda keep its technological paradise a secret from the rest of the world. "As T’Challa ascends to the throne, he asks W’Kabi to serve as an advisor, trusting his friend's knowledge and instincts," says executive producer Nate Moore.

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Another person who matters deeply to T'Challa is Nakia. There's romance between the two but her globetrotting job often pulls her away. “In her journey in this film, she has to really choose between her passion for her calling and her passion for her king,” Nyong'o says. T'Challa's sister, Shuri, stays close to the kingdom, developing high-tech weapons that keep it safe.

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In Civil War, CIA operative Everett K. Ross was a no-nonsense government functionary. Freeman describes him as "completely, totally competent" rather than a goofy comic relief sidekick. In this film, he earns T'Challa's trust as they work together pursuing the mercenary Ulysses Klaue, who has stolen some of Wakanda's most closely held secrets.

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We've seen Klaue before, too — getting his arm abruptly removed by the killer robot in Avengers: Age of Ultron. Pursuit of Vibranium has put Andy Serkis' character in league with Killmonger, who helps spring him from this CIA prison. "As long as he can amass fortune and cause disruption in the world at the same time, I think he’s a happy man," Serkis says.

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There's geek history in this pairing, too. And not just Gollum vs. Bilbo. (That's a different universe.) "Klaue is the first [Panther] villain appearing in 1966," Feige notes. "Everett Ross showed up 10 or 12 years ago in the [Christopher] Priest run in Panther comics. It's always fun to pick these characters and put them in together."

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"That’s a very super lux high-end underground casino in South Korea where there is a great scene where Lupita, Danai, and Chad will walk in dressed to the nines," says Feige. "Klaue is there and it’s a big action scene. It's important that this all feels big, glossy, and entertaining at the same time."

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While Klaue and Ross have their casino confrontation, Nakia and T'Challa keep a watchful eye alongside intel chief Okoye, whose is defined by loyalty. "She is a lover and protector of her people and of the throne," Gurira says. "To protect the throne, you are protecting the core institution of the nation which allows it to thrive."

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Update: July 13, 2017

BLACK PANTHER Villain Won't Be Called Man-Ape and Other New Details


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M’Baku is trouble for Black Panther. He’s the ruler of the Wakanda’s mountain tribe and has serious issues with how T’Challa is fulfilling his role as the nation’s new king.

But M’Baku was also a potential problem for Black Panther the movie. That’s because the comic-book version of this villain, who first appeared in Avengers #62 in March 1969, encased himself in white fur and attacked the hero under the moniker “Man-Ape.”

Rather than abandon one of Black Panther’s most famous antagonists, Marvel Studios decided to rescue M’Baku. The character is a hard-bitten, ruthless warrior, but as played by actor Winston Duke (Person of Interest) he also has dignity and strength. Not that this makes him a nice guy.

And in a fictional culture where leaders take on the symbols of native animals (like the panther), his tribe’s affinity for the gorilla is regarded as something noble — not cringeworthy.

Still, the filmmakers felt that “Man-Ape” would never be an easy name for newcomers to accept.

“We don’t call him Man-Ape,” executive producer Nate Moore told EW during our set visit. “We do call him M’Baku.”

The problem was self-evident. “Having a black character dress up as an ape, I think there’s a lot of racial implications that don’t sit well, if done wrong,” said Moore. “But the idea that they worship the gorilla gods is interesting because it’s a movie about the Black Panther who, himself, is a sort of deity in his own right.”

So he’s still adorned with elements of fur on his arms and legs and sports a chest-plate that hints at the animal that is symbolic of his tribe. But he doesn’t wear the full gorilla mask that, in the comics, often made him literally look like that creature.

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Director Ryan Coogler and his co-writer Joe Robert Cole (American Crime Story) borrowed some inspiration for the character from Marvel scribe Christopher Priest, who had an acclaimed 1998-2003 run on the Black Panther series.

“You learn that M’Baku is essentially the head of the religious minority in Wakanda and we thought that was interesting,” Moore said. “Wakanda is not a monolithic place. They have a lot of different factions.”

In Priest’s story line, M’Baku was enraged that his White Gorilla cult was outlawed, leading to a clash with the Panther. The character’s exact role in the film is still being kept under wraps, but the filmmakers confirm that M’Baku and his Jabari tribe are, once again, not happy with the young, new ruler (played by Chadwick Boseman).

“A lot of the writers who did some of the most interesting work around the character, they treated Wakanda like a truly African country,” Coogler said. “When you go to countries in Africa, you’ll find several tribes, who speak their own languages, have their own culture, and have distinct food and way of dress. They live amongst each other, and together they make the identity of those countries. That’s something we tried to capture. We wanted it to feel like a country, as opposed to just one city or town.”

M’Baku has a grievance with T’Challa, but he and his followers were equally unsettled by the previous king, T’Challa’s father T’Chaka — who was assassinated in Captain America: Civil War after trying to engage with the world beyond the closed-off, technological paradise of Wakanda.

“In M’Baku’s worldview, T’Chaka made a huge mistake going to the U.N.,” Moore says. “‘We should never engage with the outside world. That’s a terrible mistake. And if his son is anything like his father, I don’t support him being on the throne.'”

“In this movie, it’s a little tricky to define who’s a [good guy],” Coogler says. “The film very much plays with those concepts, looking at conflicts and different motivations, and who’s with who. M’Baku is a really interesting character, and I’m excited for people to get to see him.”

How Black Panther solves the problem of M'Baku
 
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