BJJ compared to Luta Livre / video series

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  1. Ryo

    Ryo Black Belt

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    Interesting, I had no idea. Would you say belt progression In LL is similar to BJJ time wise? With the BB being the endgame. Whereas in Judo (speaking of Japanese Judo) the 1st dan is really just the beginning of mastery.
     
  2. BJJ_Rage

    BJJ_Rage Gold Belt

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    It is, Ll takes even more pride on their black belts than bjj.
     
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  3. xMTDx

    xMTDx A grappling dad

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    Yeah similar time frame for progression between belts. Although there are more belts than bjj does not mean you progress through quicker like TMA. Most bb have been doing it for years.
     
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  4. Drunken MastA

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    There's new content, topic: guillotine

     
  5. JosephDredd

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    Fantastic thread. I've been interested in LL for awhile and have been seeing plenty of instructionals on youtube.
     
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    nefti Red Belt

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    This isn't 2001 this whole "different" method doesn't work anymore unless you destroy competition with something revolutionary.
     
  7. Evan_The_Kid_1

    Evan_The_Kid_1 Brown Belt

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    We don't usually wear belts at my school except for when we first get them. Our coach makes us work damn hard for them though. He doesn't just hand them out to anybody.
     
  8. Invisible Jiu Jitsu

    Invisible Jiu Jitsu Blue Belt

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    i am graded in both luta livre and BJJ, have trained both in brazil since 2009. My instructor is Milton Vieira and was also Eraldo Paes (RIP) before he passed away. This is JOP lineage

    To me the differences are now minimal, there's been so much crossover since the Luta livre influx into MMA gyms of the 80s and 90s. However "in general" LL attitude is more of an MMA grappling style, less guard, more standing up and wrestling for top position than BJJ. However, having said this I think there can be bigger differences between 2 people in LL, or 2 people in BJJ, than between LL and BJJ as a whole. The individuals make the style
     
  9. Drunken MastA

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  10. BJJ_Rage

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    Bjj ain’t ibjjf only...
     
  11. mataleaos

    mataleaos Purple Belt

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    I'm a big fan too of Renier and Leozada.

    Have you seen Renier's floating guard passing? I'm sure you know what I mean but it's kind of hard to describe. He used it very well at ADCC 2013 and it seems to be his main passing style. I like it a lot. Ostap broke it down a bit

     
  12. mataleaos

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    Wait, Renier doesn't use the seat belt? What does he use instead?

    Nvmnd. I saw the video. I like that style too. I didn't know it was more of a LL thing.

    Without a doubt when it comes to leg locks. At this point I don't think it's close.
     
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  13. mataleaos

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    See, I would contend right now that less BJJ guys are going for the Marcelotine here in 2018. Garry Tonon is the main grappler today I see going for the high elbow like Marcelo. I see most BJJ guys that are high level guillotiners or have been in the past few years going for the arm-in (Josh Hinger, Gordon Ryan, Felipe Pena, Rafael Lovato Jr, Braulio Estima, Dillon Danis, Jeff Glover, etc.)

    I'm trying to think of some if the active guys on the circuit right now that prefer high elbows, and Tonon is the main one that comes to mind.

     
  14. Evan_The_Kid_1

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    Well, alot of gyms are though.
     
  15. BJJ_Rage

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    And lots are not, so making a generalizaion of the sport because a branch of it chooses to practice based on ibjjf rules is wrong. Lots of Bjj gyms are closely related to Mma gyms, do you think people there don’t reap because carlos junior says it’s ilegal? It’s quite silly.
     
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  16. Evan_The_Kid_1

    Evan_The_Kid_1 Brown Belt

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    Are IBJJF rules not the MAIN way to compete in BJJ? I acknowledge that there are bjj gyms that reap, but you can't ignore that the majority of sport BJJ gyms train for IBJJF rules. So excuse the guy for showing some differences lol
     
  17. xMTDx

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    Yep I use that pass a bit but not a successfully
     
  18. xMTDx

    xMTDx A grappling dad

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    I only ever go for the high elbow
     
  19. BJJ_Rage

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    It’s a difference between ibjjf rules and LL, not jiu jitsu...
     
  20. BJJ_Rage

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    Why would you chose a arm in over a high elbow? Control?
     
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