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Discussion in 'UFC Discussion' started by snakeybizz, Jul 7, 2014.
just let that sink in.... he's not even in my 50 greatest of all time...
I do think BJ is a little overrated but I wouldn't admit it here.
Never ceases to amaze me. Names on resume > numbers on resume. "16-10-2" doesn't specify all the time he spent fighting at welterweight and above.
Records don't matter in my opinion. Its the quality of your opponent that makes all the difference. At least 10 of BJ's UFC's fights, maybe more were against current or former champions and I think only his second fight with Pulver did he face someone not ranked in the top 10. Factor in fighting big WW's when you're a LW and the record is bound to look worse than it is.
You're a dumbass.
I think who he lost to and when matters. He does have some great wins (Hughes twice, Florian).
Let's remember those loses include Machida (shouldn't even count lol), GSP and 3 against Edgar, who is himself a great fighter.
As for top 50 I'd have to give it thought but I'm almost positive BJ is in there.
LOL Penn's record is like that because he came RIGHT into the sport and started fighting big names right away. He fought in a title contender fight in his third pro fight and for the title in his fourth pro fight. He didn't spend a few years on the regional circuit fighting 1-1 and 0-1 guys for his first 10 fights.
Within his first 10 fights he had already been fighting prime Gomi, Hughes, Pulver, Uno, Serra etc.
TS you are a GOAT at making bad threads.
I love when some people just go in and compare numbers.
Randy Couture isn't much better off. They're both in the top 50 greatest of all time. Period. If you don't acknowledge that then you are operating under revisionist history or something.
Yeah and he made a comment about ranking without any kind of criteria. Anyway, every fighter analysis factors in the quality of opponents but I don't think TS cares about that.
Name 50 fighters that had a better career/resume than BJ.
In the end he's a good fighter with one fantastic fight/finish against Hughes.
HOF entry would be based on popularity not his record or getting crushed by GSP & Edgar, Diaz & Rory.
Depend's on how you look at it. The thing that people love about BJ is also the same thing that is BJ's downfall. He'll fight anyone, anyweight, anywhere. Good management would not allow that. However, he never had good management and his training camp followed suit. People love him for it but in the end of the day they won't be there today when he has to nurse his wounds and realize that in hindsight, taking the third fight with Frankie was a horrible idea. Taking the second fight with GSP was a bad idea. Moving back up to WW after losing the belt was a bad idea. If he had good management and a good camp he never would've left the UFC back in the day after the 1st hughes fight.
Nice fight finder logical...
Very much a valid point. He didn't duck anyone and didn't take fights against anyone who wasn't somebody. He should've walked away after the Diaz fight which would've finished his career at 8 losses. Still having watched him his entire career you and understand his greatness and place in history.
Only those that dont fight care about the record. If you were any smarter you would understand that its the fact that he was champ in 2 weight classes and fought a lhw. But that alright TS you're just like a reporter, you dont understand what matters because you're just an outside observer.
bbbbut he fought super heavyweights
I really don't like Penn,but to say he is not top 50 is crazy,top 20 I would say no,top 30 I'd say probably not.But he is 100% top 50
BJ who ?
Penn was good but not that great people ever made him look to be. But saying "not top 50" is just plain stupid.