Biggest Conservative Hypocrisy?

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

My favorite one:

We're for small government and freedom... except we also want to jail you for taking drugs and want to control what you do in the bedroom.

Makes me crazy angry.
If you're for conservative values, be for conservative values.
Small government doesn't tell me what to do behind closed doors in my home

 

[Vagitarian]

Hey, thanks for taking the time to write out a lengthy response. Appreciate it. I have a little trouble getting which parts are levelled at me/my post, and which are broader commentary in keeping with the thread theme so if I respond to something and have misread you please feel free to point out my mistake.



Well bashing a poor person only for being poor is stupid. As a non-US citizen, is this absolutely rife with conservatives? I come across it a fair bit online, just thought it was part of the smartass Internet community, throwing out insulting buzzwords all the time.

Anyway, a poor person should not be demeaned only for being poor. Similarly a stupid person who is born without a great brain shouldn't be mocked for being less clever. But a smart person who behaves stupidly and should have known better deserves criticism, and a fit, intelligent person who is responsible for their own poverty due to a gambling addiction or unwillingness to work also should be criticised, I feel.



Not a minimum standard, that would be unfair. But the point is, how could one know how things will turn out. I was destitute less than ten years ago and am relatively wealthy today - part good fortune, part hard work - I would never have forseen my current status only a few years ago. Circumstances simply aren't that predictable.

But even if I were still poor, that's no guarantee of unhappiness or unproductivity.



I'm guessing this segment is directed to conservatives in general. I can say that I do not think people who are very poor and have no prospects should be having children. It seems unwise. In that situation if a couple wants to have sex they should use contraception. The sex-ed programs here cover contraception options fairly thoroughly from pills/condoms/IUDs through to hormone injections. From reading the thread it sounds like there is no federal curriculum in the US and that states are individually responsible for what is taught on the subject.

Since people are going to have sex, explaining the options for contraception, potential diseases and other important information seems like common sense.



Condom distribution is limited? Do you have a source on the topic? I'd like to read it. Contraception is never 100% foolproof. If the people having sex are educated and understand that then I'd suggest that's their assumption of risk. If pregnancy resulted two people made a choice, and one person (potential or actual) would be given no choice. Killing that person (potential or actual) who had none of the pleasure and no say in the matter is not moral.



Obviously sex/child rearing in a stable environment is the ideal. How does that stop poor people from having sex though! Poor people can get married too.



"You people"? I don't think we know each other well enough for you to make such a broad statement.

While I have fairly conservative values by the standards of my country, I'd be very close to centre in the US. While I myself am a Christian and have certain beliefs about morals, it's important to understand not everyone (not many?) share my views, and government policy needs to address the needs of the society being governed. That includes forming legislation recognising homosexual civil unions and the like.

Then you're the type of conservative I can level with. My gripe with them is imposing their religious views on us by trying to legislate with their bible. If you want to live a christian life, do it on your own time, i have no right to tell you not to. But the laws that govern this nation are to have no influence from your religion. Only pragmatic, secular laws in place.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Why are conservatives against condoms? I don't want too many more kids (have four already, one more would be cool but that's enough!) and they sure are handy.

But that's the thing, conservatives do bash the poor for just being poor. Conservatives believe in a just world phenomenon. That everything happens to people because they deserve. When they see poor people, they think he was simply stupid, incapable, lazy, while ignoring structural factors like being born to poor uneducated parents, going to shitty schools and not having access to knowledge, not having health insurance and as such letting conditions go untreated. They don't ever consider disaster, like losing your home or having a life altering accident. They simply think that guy spends his welfare checks buying iphones and jordans.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3178341/
This deals with the church belief on contraception, their advocation of abstinence only sex education, and opposition to contraception.
And also conservatives constantly try to defund planned parenthood which provides various contraception for people.

And again, this where we going to disagree. The well-being of a zygote do not outweigh the well-being of the 2 people in question. They did everything right, got contraception, and practiced safe sex, then it failed. That's fair to hold them to it? And when you are of that opinion and then you go to shame them for having a child? Do you not see the paradox?

 

[WiolentOne]

The preach the evils of big government while simultaneously sucking the big govenrments cock i.e. the military.

 

[Swing]

Why a Tucson report ?

Could you elaborate on your question?

 

[Falsedawn]

We need the second amendment to protect against government tyranny, but if you don't spread your cheeks and open your asshole for a cop you deserve to be shot.

 

[DoomPatrol]

My all time favorite one is more on the lines of capitalism in the right wing....

Socialism is bad (when it comes to healthcare)..... except when we need it for roads, public schools, firefighters, military, and the dozen other things we take advantage of. I don't see those same people homeschooling or taking their kids to a private school. They send their kids to socialist public schools on socialist school buses.

My second favorite...

Income redistribution is socialism and bad...... except when our private companies (car industry, wall street, banks) need a bailout. Then it's just smart.

 

[Roaming East]

Conservatives problems tend to stem from being reactionary. For example, most of your avid outdoorsmen and hunters tend to be self described conservatives, yet they HAPPILY voted for a candidate and political party who has the agenda of rolling back environmental protections, funding for wildlife conservation, and in favor of increased development in natural areas. Its atypical. but they do it all the time and can barely articulate a response as to why.
All they know is that they better vote for the guys that will despoil their environment and kill every fish bird and animal in the area because the OTHER party might....something, with the gays? i dont know im still trying to figure it out.

Here in Tidewater VA, it took YEARS for them to finally get a moratorium passed to save the goddamn blue crab from overfishing, and the rednecks about lost their shit. Like, if they dont extract every last fucking species from the Chesapeake bay, the 'liberals' will have won. Now that populations are coming back, and water quality is improving, these fucktards want to deregulate the whole thing so that the commercial fishing industry can collapse AGAIN. i just dont get it.

 

[Trotsky]

Progressive logic.


Conservatives are Larry The Cable Guy or Gordon Gecko depending on who we are complaining about that day.

Conservative logic:

 

[D3thr0n3d K1ng]

Getting outraged at a poor single mother buying food with EBT then looking the other way or supporting corporate welfare for companies that cost billions.

Also the posters who say "Well I hate that too!" but never mention it, bring it up, or start a thread about corporate welfare while posting in every thread on EBT.

 

[panamaican]

We need the second amendment to protect against government tyranny, but if you don't spread your cheeks and open your asshole for a cop you deserve to be shot.

That's another very good one.

 

[D3thr0n3d K1ng]

Progressive logic.


Conservatives are Larry The Cable Guy or Gordon Gecko depending on who we are complaining about that day.

The majority are Larry the Cable guy being exploited by Gordon Gecko and his Wall Street buddies.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

Hate the intrusive and tyrannical government...

...are the first ones to defend (and often encourage) police abuse, lengthier prison sentences, the death penalty, etc. Back the government 1,000% when it plans to invade and bomb yet another country.

 

[Huked on foniks]

Makes me crazy angry.
If you're for conservative values, be for conservative values.
Small government doesn't tell me what to do behind closed doors in my home

I'm assuming you're talking figuratively because with conservatives who are against gay marriage, you can still fuck your boyfriend in the bedroom. Even when gay marriage was illegal you could still fuck each other. The laws didn't stop you from doing that.

 

[TheStruggle]

Hate the intrusive and tyrannical government...

...are the first ones to defend (and often encourage) police abuse, lengthier prison sentences, the death penalty, etc. Back the government 1,000% when it plans to invade and bomb yet another country.

Don't commit a crime and complain about the consequences. BTW I don't remember our guys demanding to invade Syria and Libya.

 

[TheStruggle]

Getting outraged at a poor single mother buying food with EBT then looking the other way or supporting corporate welfare for companies that cost billions.

Also the posters who say "Well I hate that too!" but never mention it, bring it up, or start a thread about corporate welfare while posting in every thread on EBT.

You mean like Elon Musk who is YOUR boy?

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

I'm assuming you're talking figuratively because with conservatives who are against gay marriage, you can still fuck your boyfriend in the bedroom. Even when gay marriage was illegal you could still fuck each other. The laws didn't stop you from doing that.

And literally.
A small government literally would not concern itself with my choices.
By definition, any government that interferes at home is big government.

Conservatives need to decide whether they want to be pro individual rights or not. Too often it seems to be "Conservative values, except this, and this. Small government, except for this and this..."

 

[TheStruggle]

We need the second amendment to protect against government tyranny, but if you don't spread your cheeks and open your asshole for a cop you deserve to be shot.

You could start at not trying to attack a cop in his squad car.

 

[Falsedawn]

You could start at not trying to attack a cop in his squad car.

Did that help Philando Castile?

You went full retard.

 

[TheStruggle]

Did that help Philando Castile?

You went full retard.

Does Philando Castile trump the hundreds of other lies you have endorsed in the last 5 years. Full Retard coming from the guy who still blames the cops for Sandra Bland....that's rich.

 

[Falsedawn]

Does Philando Castile trump the hundreds of other lies you have endorsed in the last 5 years. Full Retard coming from the guy who still blames the cops for Sandra Bland....that's rich.

So, no?

Glad we've established that you're talking out your ass as usual.