Betting Questions

[Roads55]

yah but i mean what exactly does "higher" or "lower" mean ... like if you look at arlovski he opened at 3.50 and is 4.40 now and has the green arrow sooo his odds are "higher" ... on the other hand ngannou opened at 1.29 but is 1.24 now and he also has a higher arrow ... (this is all with 5dimes)

Or perhaps i shouldnt think in terms of opening and current odds .. its just compared to the previous odds that were available sooo if some move +0.01 in odds then they get the green arrow and vice versa...

it's because it's in relation to the last available price at that book, not the opening odds. I guess they adjusted nganou's line a tick or 2 higher which is minuscule, however the difference between arlovski's last price and his current one was bigger.

they also might be trying to get a bit more action on the line to get a better indication of where it's heading, or maybe this far out from the fight someone or a few ppl bet arlovski's line but not enough to lower it, but just enough to bump nganou's price a tiny bit.
variance of bettors selections on a fight is a lot higher this far out from fight day, compared to a day or 2 before, so a few big bet's can influence the lines more than closer to the fight.

that's why there is so much value in certain opening lines. because bookmakers will always get lines wrong from time to time, and in a niche betting sport like mma it can be hard for them to determine which way ppl will bet at certain times due to the relatively low amount of money wagered on it compared to bigger sports.
generally though if both fighters have a green arrow only one of them will of moved noticeably, and it's easy to spot which in conjunction with other books odds on there, and it usually happens in the weeks before the fight for reasons above. the graph of price movement on there helps too.

 

[chanp6]

it's because it's in relation to the last available price at that book, not the opening odds. I guess they adjusted nganou's line a tick or 2 higher which is minuscule, however the difference between arlovski's last price and his current one was bigger.

they also might be trying to get a bit more action on the line to get a better indication of where it's heading, or maybe this far out from the fight someone or a few ppl bet arlovski's line but not enough to lower it, but just enough to bump nganou's price a tiny bit.
variance of bettors selections on a fight is a lot higher this far out from fight day, compared to a day or 2 before, so a few big bet's can influence the lines more than closer to the fight.

that's why there is so much value in certain opening lines. because bookmakers will always get lines wrong from time to time, and in a niche betting sport like mma it can be hard for them to determine which way ppl will bet at certain times due to the relatively low amount of money wagered on it compared to bigger sports.
generally though if both fighters have a green arrow only one of them will of moved noticeably, and it's easy to spot which in conjunction with other books odds on there, and it usually happens in the weeks before the fight for reasons above. the graph of price movement on there helps too.

understood... i reallly appreciate it

 

[waiguoren]

How do you get bookmaker to fix a mistake? I had some leftover cash in Bovada from awhile ago and placed it on Trump getting 44.99-46.99% of the vote. They graded it as a loss on Election night even though there was a large % of the vote still not counted. I emailed and let them know they jumped the gun and asked for it be changed back to pending but I don't think they understood how US Elections work and told me to go sit on my thumb.

Anyways, I waited 6 weeks until the results were certified to reach and I'm still getting the run around. Every call and email ends with them escalating to someone else. It's infuriating but I'm afraid anything I'll say will just end with them closing my account. I don't believe I have any leverage since they are an offshore book and online gambling is illegal in my state.

Did you get this worked out?

 

[Porkchop Express]

Did you get this worked out?

They did finally settle it as a win. A lot of effort for what was a minimal amount of money. I cashed out and won't be using them again.

The fact that I spoke to probably a dozen different employees and not single one had a clue as to what was going on was a bit discouraging. Kind of eroded my trust and I've certainly been playing less since.

 

[waiguoren]

They did finally settle it as a win. A lot of effort for what was a minimal amount of money. I cashed out and won't be using them again.

The fact that I spoke to probably a dozen different employees and not single one had a clue as to what was going on was a bit discouraging. Kind of eroded my trust and I've certainly been playing less since.

I only just saw your original message, otherwise I would have offered to try to help you with their livechat. They are my main book and I have a lot of money with them so I think I would probably be able to have some influence.

I'm guessing it's less a case of nefarious intent than a case of ignorance by lower level staff. BM is huge and covers so many types of events--what are the odds that the rep. you talk to understands the US electoral system?

I've been playing with them for a while now and to be honest it's hard for me to imagine a better book for the betting I do. 5Dimes is weak by comparison and I don't know how to play with Euro bookies as a US citizen.

 

[Porkchop Express]

I only just saw your original message, otherwise I would have offered to try to help you with their livechat. They are my main book and I have a lot of money with them so I think I would probably be able to have some influence.

I'm guessing it's less a case of nefarious intent than a case of ignorance by lower level staff. BM is huge and covers so many types of events--what are the odds that the rep. you talk to understands the US electoral system?

I've been playing with them for a while now and to be honest it's hard for me to imagine a better book for the betting I do. 5Dimes is weak by comparison and I don't know how to play with Euro bookies as a US citizen.

Appreciate that. I don't really think it was nefarious. Maybe ignorant and lazy on their part. But it did make me realize how I really had zero leverage once I deposited money with any of these books.

The whole thing was ridiculous. I provided multiple links to websites showing the % totals at their request. They'd reply with a single link to a site that was way behind in updating their vote totals saying why it was a loss. So then I'd wait until the site THEY provided updated and send back that link and they'd just completely ignore it and send me news stories from election night. That was the cycle we did a half dozen times and it was all over maybe $75 total.

 

[waiguoren]

Appreciate that. I don't really think it was nefarious. Maybe ignorant and lazy on their part. But it did make me realize how I really had zero leverage once I deposited money with any of these books.

The whole thing was ridiculous. I provided multiple links to websites showing the % totals at their request. They'd reply with a single link to a site that was way behind in updating their vote totals saying why it was a loss. So then I'd wait until the site THEY provided updated and send back that link and they'd just completely ignore it and send me news stories from election night. That was the cycle we did a half dozen times and it was all over maybe $75 total.

Sucks.

I take it right to the top whenever I have a question. The guy I talk to has title "VIP specialist". They've resolved all my problems really quickly over the past couple years.

 

[gonzo719]

Hey Everyone!!

I have been watching MMA since I was 17, now I am 40 and never miss an event. I have always bet, but casually, I win most of the time. Now I am going to start tracking. I am starting with a 3K bankroll. I have won money in the last 2 UFC events. I am up $275 bucks. Have a couple of questions.

How do you know when its a smart move to hedge your bets? How frequently do you hedge?

How often do live bet? Is it really beneficial?

How do you know when to jump on the best odds?

I have read alot of posts on how to track bets, excel, bet.gs, tapology, betting tracker sheet. which the best? i want the least manual input. I see EZ Flyer uses excel and has alot of awesome stats.

I see from stats the dogs are the way to go, +150 to +180 is the sweet spot. Does this affect your betting for this year?

I am sure I will have more questions. I love the forum!

Thanks
Gonzo719

 

[chanp6]

How many units/% of your bankroll do you bet per card (i know it depends on the card/odds) but on average.....

 

[EzFlyer]

How many units/% of your bankroll do you bet per card (i know it depends on the card/odds) but on average.....

not sure why this is important..

a unit should be aboout 1% of bankroll. like you said, depends on the card. i personally do about 20-25 units on average on a full ufc card, but i'm a pretty heavy volume bettor (i bet most fights)

 

[Joseph Budden]

Hey Everyone!!

I have been watching MMA since I was 17, now I am 40 and never miss an event. I have always bet, but casually, I win most of the time. Now I am going to start tracking. I am starting with a 3K bankroll. I have won money in the last 2 UFC events. I am up $275 bucks. Have a couple of questions.

How do you know when its a smart move to hedge your bets? How frequently do you hedge?

How often do live bet? Is it really beneficial?

How do you know when to jump on the best odds?

I have read alot of posts on how to track bets, excel, bet.gs, tapology, betting tracker sheet. which the best? i want the least manual input. I see EZ Flyer uses excel and has alot of awesome stats.

I see from stats the dogs are the way to go, +150 to +180 is the sweet spot. Does this affect your betting for this year?

I am sure I will have more questions. I love the forum!

Thanks
Gonzo719

Everyone has a differing opinion of hedging and each fight is different. I personally try to limit my hedging to fights where the person im betting against has one likely path to victory, and take my risk by hedging with the prop for it (prop price has to be good too though)

Live betting is fucking amazing and majority of us make bank off of it

As you keep progressing eventually you'll get a good sense of openers and where the lines will move. That will help you use your best judgment as to when to jump on a line you like.

Dogs aren't the way to go for everyone. Whatever has been working for you, keep doing it. After a few months, analyze yourself and see if there is room for imrpovement by tweaking your game. That worked for me at least, so worth a try. To be afraid to experiment if when looking at yourself objectively you think alterations can help you maximize your profit

 

[EzFlyer]

Hey Everyone!!

I have been watching MMA since I was 17, now I am 40 and never miss an event. I have always bet, but casually, I win most of the time. Now I am going to start tracking. I am starting with a 3K bankroll. I have won money in the last 2 UFC events. I am up $275 bucks. Have a couple of questions.

How do you know when its a smart move to hedge your bets? How frequently do you hedge?

How often do live bet? Is it really beneficial?

How do you know when to jump on the best odds?

I have read alot of posts on how to track bets, excel, bet.gs, tapology, betting tracker sheet. which the best? i want the least manual input. I see EZ Flyer uses excel and has alot of awesome stats.

I see from stats the dogs are the way to go, +150 to +180 is the sweet spot. Does this affect your betting for this year?

I am sure I will have more questions. I love the forum!

Thanks
Gonzo719

hedging for the sake of hedging is kinda a bad play. it's a good play if you find out new info, if line drastically moves in your favor, etc.. but typically, if you are gonna hedge, then you made a mistake somewhere along the way. in other words, you shouldn't have bet so much in the first place to facilitate the notion of the hedge.. i.e. if you do a 5 team parlay and you wanna hedge on the 5th leg when 4-0.. you thus should have just done a 4 team parlay in the first place

it's a comfort thing re: dogs, etc.. you can't *look* for them, but personally, i saw that my dogs won me the lion's share of my profits in 2016, so yea, i'm gonna go a little harder in some cases on my reads when i think a dog is worth a shot

betting favorites, especially heavily.. is just a scary prospect.

 

[Joseph Budden]

If you guys are ever having problems with 5d payouts hit that live chat

Stella is a cot damn cutie

 

[Jae Gibbz]

If you guys are ever having problems with 5d payouts hit that live chat

Stella is a cot damn cutie

lmao

 

[EzFlyer]

pretty sure i had a dude who was wearing a tux the last time i had to use support for bm or 5d.. those are some high dress standards for internet support

 

[Joseph Budden]

pretty sure i had a dude who was wearing a tux the last time i had to use support for bm or 5d.. those are some high dress standards for internet support

Have this weird feeling they are cat fishing with those pics

So just wanna run something by you since I know you use coinbase too. This is my first time withdrawing with them (and bitcoin in general) and wanna make sure i'm doing everything in the most efficient way. I just received my BC from 5d, and I sent those BC to my USD wallet address with coinbase. From there, I just withdraw to my bank account? This is the only way to do it, yes? Can't do directly from Bitcoin wallet to bank account?

EDIT so just transferred the USD to my bank account. Mind telling me how long it took for you for it to show up after making the transfer? I'm getting an ETA of 5 days, kind of expected it to be sooner

EDIT AGAIN nvm in the email I just got it says 1-2 business days, thus the Tues eta

 

[EzFlyer]

Have this weird feeling they are cat fishing with those pics

So just wanna run something by you since I know you use coinbase too. This is my first time withdrawing with them (and bitcoin in general) and wanna make sure i'm doing everything in the most efficient way. I just received my BC from 5d, and I sent those BC to my USD wallet address with coinbase. From there, I just withdraw to my bank account? This is the only way to do it, yes? Can't do directly from Bitcoin wallet to bank account?

EDIT so just transferred the USD to my bank account. Mind telling me how long it took for you for it to show up after making the transfer? I'm getting an ETA of 5 days, kind of expected it to be sooner

EDIT AGAIN nvm in the email I just got it says 1-2 business days, thus the Tues eta

lol. so i know you're not necessarily "supposed" to do it this way, but i've done now 4 coinbase transactions.

a friend sent me $100 usd worth of BTC as a test (owed me money). i got it into my coinbase btc wallet pretty damned fast. withdrew from my coinbase wallet directly to my bank account. took 4 business days.

i've since done two more from 5d and one from BM, all directly to my coinbase account, and from there directly to my bank account. it's worked every time with ABOUT a 2 % fee (something like 2%).

 

[Joseph Budden]

lol. so i know you're not necessarily "supposed" to do it this way, but i've done now 4 coinbase transactions.

a friend sent me $100 usd worth of BTC as a test (owed me money). i got it into my coinbase btc wallet pretty damned fast. withdrew from my coinbase wallet directly to my bank account. took 4 business days.

i've since done two more from 5d and one from BM, all directly to my coinbase account, and from there directly to my bank account. it's worked every time with ABOUT a 2 % fee (something like 2%).

Awesome, thanks. Sounds like I did everything the correct way then, as they took the same fee (and the money is transferring, thats obviously a good sign lol)

Coinbase is very easy to use, definitely would recommend.

 

[t6p]

Have this weird feeling they are cat fishing with those pics

So just wanna run something by you since I know you use coinbase too. This is my first time withdrawing with them (and bitcoin in general) and wanna make sure i'm doing everything in the most efficient way. I just received my BC from 5d, and I sent those BC to my USD wallet address with coinbase. From there, I just withdraw to my bank account? This is the only way to do it, yes? Can't do directly from Bitcoin wallet to bank account?

EDIT so just transferred the USD to my bank account. Mind telling me how long it took for you for it to show up after making the transfer? I'm getting an ETA of 5 days, kind of expected it to be sooner

EDIT AGAIN nvm in the email I just got it says 1-2 business days, thus the Tues eta

lol. so i know you're not necessarily "supposed" to do it this way, but i've done now 4 coinbase transactions.

a friend sent me $100 usd worth of BTC as a test (owed me money). i got it into my coinbase btc wallet pretty damned fast. withdrew from my coinbase wallet directly to my bank account. took 4 business days.

i've since done two more from 5d and one from BM, all directly to my coinbase account, and from there directly to my bank account. it's worked every time with ABOUT a 2 % fee (something like 2%).

Not sure if you guys are aware, but my understanding is that you should use something like Blockchain as an intermediary. If for no other reason than I've heard sites like Coinbase might ban you for transferring bitcoins to/from gambling sites. This is how I've been doing it for about a year now and no issues.

 

[EzFlyer]

Not sure if you guys are aware, but my understanding is that you should use something like Blockchain as an intermediary. If for no other reason than I've heard sites like Coinbase might ban you for transferring bitcoins to/from gambling sites. This is how I've been doing it for about a year now and no issues.

i'll do that for my next payouts in a couple weeks -- ty!