Better lockdown defender: Jordan or Kobe

[Bamboozled]

This thread is so stupid. Jordan would man up but the minute a dude got a step on him he'd cry for Pippen to play defense for him. Jordan thought he could defend AI too (who is overrated as fuck) got his ankles broke and he never wanted to play D on him again despite Iverson being the only legitimate scoring threat.

Kobe's prime was what I consider the heyday of NBA defense. Everyone complained about ISO but fuck did it make you a man.

 

[MrFeeny]

The Bulls did not want to finish the finals in Seattle. Hence, Jordan having a bad stat line. It is so obvious.

That's the dumbest thing i've ever heard somebody say. Btw, back in Chicago in game 6, with payton on Jordan, he went 5 for 19 with 5 turnovers. I'm sure he was just intentionally trying to get to a game 7 though right?

 

[HeroesNeverTap]

 

[robertcop2]

That's the dumbest thing i've ever heard somebody say. Btw, back in Chicago in game 6, with payton on Jordan, he went 5 for 19 with 5 turnovers. I'm sure he was just intentionally trying to get to a game 7 though right?

Hey dummy, you want to compare a game 4 up 3-0 to a game 6 up 3-2?

You are a fucking genius.

 

[MrFeeny]

Hey dummy, you want to compare a game 4 up 3-0 to a game 6 up 3-2?

You are a fucking genius.

He played terrible in both. What is your point

 

[Lord Commander Palis]

As someone who watched both play in their prime I would say Kobe is the better, more tenacious defender.

Not a bad thread, both are extremely complete players, 1a and 1b, but Kobe had a tad more fire.

 

[Bamboozled]

 

[robertcop2]

He played terrible in both. What is your point

Point is, the Bulls relaxed and lost game 4 and 5 on purpose to win the finals at home, everyone knows that. In game 6 he did not have a historical game, but a good enough game, and they won. He was always about winning, not stat padding. He would have stepped up if necessary, anytime. If you were alive in MJ's time, you'd know that.

You give praise to Gary Payton. MJ could have done anything he wanted to anybody. Good defenders gave him a harder time, but he toyed with everyone.

And on point, of course MJ was a better defender than Gary Payton and Kobe, any other opinion is dumb.

 

[MayhemMonkey]

LeBron has been better than either.

 

[MrFeeny]

Point is, the Bulls relaxed and lost game 4 and 5 on purpose to win the finals at home, everyone knows that. In game 6 he did not have a historical game, but a good enough game, and they won. He was always about winning, not stat padding. He would have stepped up if necessary, anytime. If you were alive in MJ's time, you'd know that.

You give praise to Gary Payton. MJ could have done anything he wanted to anybody. Good defenders gave him a harder time, but he toyed with everyone.

And on point, of course MJ was a better defender than Gary Payton and Kobe, any other opinion is dumb.

You're an idiot, MJ wasn't even the best defender on his own team. Game 6 was a terrible game in which he was carried by his team. Sorry champ.

 

[gspieler]

You're an idiot, MJ wasn't even the best defender on his own team. Game 6 was a terrible game in which he was carried by his team. Sorry champ.

The Bulls were untouchable during the second run. They had three of the top defenders in the league/two of the best scorers, the best 6th man, the best 3pt/FT specialist, the best coach, and the best intro.

 

[robertcop2]

You're an idiot, MJ wasn't even the best defender on his own team. Game 6 was a terrible game in which he was carried by his team. Sorry champ.

I’m the idiot, yet you are the one saying Gary Payton was a better defender than Jordan. Derp.

Do you also think Lebron is the GOAT? I bet you do.

Get on YouTube and Wikipedia. Search for Michael Jordan, you dumb teenager. Educate yourself and come back to discuss with the adults.

 

[iwhoopedbatman]

You're an idiot, MJ wasn't even the best defender on his own team. Game 6 was a terrible game in which he was carried by his team. Sorry champ.

In fairness, he's only not the best defender on the team because his team consists of the best on ball defender ever and one of the best interior defenders ever (who had been an excellent perimeter defender when he was younger).

But yeah, claiming the Bulls threw those games to win at home is beyond retarded.

 

[robertcop2]

I will just leave this here, for you teenagers that did not see it live and did not live that era. Very interesting and nice to read, plus it was written at the time.

https://www.nytimes.com/1996/06/10/...ls-laugher-has-sonics-on-their-last-legs.html

You make up your own mind if the Bulls let Seattle purposefully close the gap to win at home. It's OBVIOUS. You young dumb guys that think Lebron is the GOAT and Golden State is the best team ever have no idea how dominant MJ and that Bulls team were.

Nothing comes close, or will ever come close. Maybe if Lebron joins GS, Houston or the Spurs in the weakest and biggest bitch move of all time.

 

[iwhoopedbatman]

Dude, just stfu. I'm 40. I was in college during that series, playing college basketball. You're an idiot or you're so wrapped around Jordan's nuts you can't see anything but his taint.

Jordan is GOAT, doesn't change the fact that claiming they threw games to win at home is retarded.

 

[Prefect]

I will just leave this here, for you teenagers that did not see it live and did not live that era. Very interesting and nice to read, plus it was written at the time.

https://www.nytimes.com/1996/06/10/...ls-laugher-has-sonics-on-their-last-legs.html

You make up your own mind if the Bulls let Seattle purposefully close the gap to win at home. It's OBVIOUS. You young dumb guys that think Lebron is the GOAT and Golden State is the best team ever have no idea how dominant MJ and that Bulls team were.

Nothing comes close, or will ever come close. Maybe if Lebron joins GS, Houston or the Spurs in the weakest and biggest bitch move of all time.

No. They were playing for history. The could have finished the playoffs with only one loss. 11 loss championship season. People get injured all the time to not close games out, too.

The only team that maybe would do something like was the Lakers the year they played the Sixers. That was such a good team with so much stupidness and drama. Phil Jackson is the most overrated player manager ever. Stuff just gets out of control wherever he was minus the Bulls. Even then, the Bulls disenigrated the moment he left.

 

[iwhoopedbatman]

No. They were playing for history. The could have finished the playoffs with only one loss. 11 loss championship season. People get injured all the time to not close games out, too.

The only team that maybe would do something like was the Lakers the year they played the Sixers. That was such a good team with so much stupidness and drama. Phil Jackson is the most overrated player manager ever.

They didn't throw that game 1 either. They were coming off a really long layoff having run through the West. They just needed a game to kick the rust off.

 

[robertcop2]

No. They were playing for history. The could have finished the playoffs with only one loss. 11 loss championship season. People get injured all the time to not close games out, too.

The only team that maybe would do something like was the Lakers the year they played the Sixers.

Which is which? They cannot coexist. Either it is possible and possibly the Bulls and the Lakers did it, or it is not possible because they are all playing for history.

Dude, just stfu. I'm 40. I was in college during that series, playing college basketball. You're an idiot or you're so wrapped around Jordan's nuts you can't see anything but his taint.

Jordan is GOAT, doesn't change the fact that claiming they threw games to win at home is retarded.

I'm not saying they really threw the game. They just relaxed, not really aiming for a win. They destroyed Seattle with all possible effort in games 1-3, and just didn't push it in games 4 and 5. Winning in Chicago ended the best season of all time at home, with an exclamation point. In fact, they would have beat Seattle 4-1 if it was the 2-2-1-1-1 format in that finals. Guaranteed. Deny all you want.

MJ would never let any team beat him in the finals. You know it. That team was out of this world, nothing compares with that level of domination. They lost 13 games that season because they relaxed.

 

[Prefect]

Which is which? They cannot coexist. Either it is possible and possibly the Bulls and the Lakers did it, or it is not possible because they

not possible for the bulls. Lakers had Kobe and his own agenda. You are better off arguing that the NBA wanted more games for fiscal reasons.

 

[robertcop2]

not possible for the bulls. Lakers had Kobe and his own agenda. You are better off arguing that the NBA wanted more games for fiscal reasons.

Jordan wouldn't do anything because the NBA said so. He would to make the victory better and more meaningful, and to elevate the Bulls' revenue with one more home game.

But anyway, I confess it's all speculation. I can't prove it. I just know it because I remember that team and their domination.