Bernie fans - What IF he gets screwed.

[ucunc156]

It all depends on who she's running against and if the person has returned to sanity by the time the GE comes around (I'm looking at you Rubio, you're pandering and you aren't as crazy as you have been coming off as lately).

 

[ucunc156]

Yeah, the Paul-Sanders switch basically seems to reduce their political involvement to an ideologically vacuous, protest vote from a dissatisfied youth (admittedly someone here did post an article or two about people growing out of adolescent libertarianism and switching to some variation of the Social Democrat).
Although it does look like Sanders' online popularity might actually have enough of a real existence to make him a legitimate candidate. He's not just a king of online polls.

You might be talking about me if your talking about a person who switched from libertarianism to democrat socialist. But I didn't post any articles, just told my story and reasoning.

I still maintain, depending on WHY you're voting for certain candidates, a jump from paul to sanders is very easy to understand. Paul was the least pro war guy, so is sanders. pot legalization was championed only by paul (and gary johnson), and sanders is the only one who continually makes an issue of it. Both felt banks/fed reserve are out of control and need to be reigned in. both rally against crony capitalism.
Their reasonings might be different, and their methods might be different, but their end results are the same on above issues, and if that is what is important to you, then thats how you vote.

 

[44nutman]

Thread title is misleading, it should not say if but when.
The Clintons are like the mob, even though I thought Will Jeff was a good president, Hildawg is terrible. I would not vote for her to be the president of my HOA much less of the United States.
Hildawg has too much dough and the machine behind her.
She took the Bern for granted and got caught. Iowa was Serra Vs GSP 1st fight. Hilldawg is going to fucking run Bernie into the ground and be second fight GSP from here on out.

Look for her to play dirty politics from here on out. She is not going to lose to Bern after Obama wiped her ass in 2008.
The sad part, this should be a signal, that she has too work hard just to beat a socialist. The signal is nobody likes her, not even her own husband. I like Feel the Bern(seems like an honest fella), just don't agree with too many of his policies.

 

[SouthoftheAndes]

I haven't voted in this poll and honestly I'm seriously torn. I still believe Bernie Sanders has a really good chance of pulling this off and actually doing the unthinkable. I don't care if people think I'm one of "those Bernie Bros" but with every fiber of my being I cannot fucking stand Hillary Clinton. I think she's a liar and a disingenuous hypocrite who only ever does anything for political gain and the only thing causing her to want to run for president is because of her massive ego and she still holds the emotional scar of being burned(no pun intended) in 2008 by Obama, and she's trying to make up for it.The thought of having to cast my vote for her makes my stomach turn and I feel like I would be compromising my beliefs if I did so. However......

I feel like I would vote for her if I had to.

The conservative Republican party of America is the most unabashedly greedy, corrupt, and uneducated political party in the modern world. They are staunch climate change deniers(even when other conservative parties around the world believe in a climate change). There wish to cut back on things that greatly benefit America like Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid. They support tax cuts for the rich, they want to roll back food stamps, they want to force their outdated desert religion and its barbaric rules down the throats of every American(while bashing the other outdated religions they don't agree with) and they do everything possible to take away rights from the black/minority and LGBT community. They are the dumbest motherfuckers to ever have power and I have no qualms about telling anyone who leans ideologically in that direction just how truly stupid and ignorant they are.

If I felt like actual data was telling me that the Republicans had a good shot of unseating her that I feel like my hands would be forced and I would have no choice but to cast my ballot for Hillary Clinton, and that pains me to say.

But I want to make something clear, Hillary Clinton has a HUGE problem on her hands. People on this board like to insinuate that I'm so unreasonable and clueless and that I am pie-in-the-sky with my beliefs of Bernie Sanders actually being able to win the presidency. But at least I'm actually willing to admit that even though I despise the woman, I would still cast my vote for her if necessary. The problem is that Bernie Sanders has hundreds of thousands and maybe even millions of supporters behind his cause and there are large swaths of that support base that would never vote for Hillary Clinton under any condition at all. Trust me I know a lot of them personally. If Hillary beats out Bernie and she is unable to gain the support/trust of his supporters she is dead on arrival. Might as well serve up the presidency to the Republicans on a silver... nay a golden platter! We're already seeing in poll numbers that Sanders is currently doing better than Hillary against the GOP front runners. I would argue to Clinton supporters they should change their vote if they are truly adamant about keeping a Republican out of the White House.

So with that said, If Hillary does beat out Sanders and it looks like she is doing good enough in the polls against the Republicans, than I wouldn't dare vote for her. If she isn't doing so well than I probably will.

Sorry this was longer than I intended it to be so in that case I'll sign it like a letter.
sincerely,

theBLADE1

Dude really? She would basically be Obama but with some slight differences. Her and Obama agree a lot on Economic reform, financial reform, minimum wage, climate change, gay rights, gun control, foreign policy etc.

If she wins it's like Obama 3rd with some slight differences. Hence why talk radio conservatives hate her so much since Obama was the devil to them. term and that is why.

I don't see how anyone could prefer a Ted Cruz, over a Hillary. Even if you think Hillary is corrupt don't you think somewhere deep down she harbors some of the views she professes?

You do realize that other than Keystone, Trade Deal and Gay marriage (which she always supported but as you put it was too spineless along with many other Democrats to come out in favor of it at the time). Other than those things she has been largely consistent. Go back to 80s and see her supporting women's rights, greater and better education, healthcare, among a host of other issues. In the 90s she got more serious on other domestic issues like guns, and later climate change.

You can say Bernie is more progressive by virtue of being more left leaning on many of these topics. But don't act like she would get in office and turn into Jeb Bush or Ted Cruz.

You don't get what I'm saying. I'm a Bernie supporter and dislike Hilary's character but I try to not let emotion have influence in my decisions. If Hillary were to win the primary and lose the general to a republican, do you know how disastrous that would be to the common man???

Obama is basically Hillary without an Iraq war vote and being a man of color rather than a woman. Obama won based off having a better campaign and more charisma. They weren't too different back then and Clinton as JVS said before was once called too left leaning.

 

[Lustercross]

Dude really? She would basically be Obama but with some slight differences. Her and Obama agree a lot on Economic reform, financial reform, minimum wage, climate change, gay rights, gun control, foreign policy etc.

If she wins it's like Obama 3rd with some slight differences. Hence why talk radio conservatives hate her so much since Obama was the devil to them. term and that is why.

I don't see how anyone could prefer a Ted Cruz, over a Hillary. Even if you think Hillary is corrupt don't you think somewhere deep down she harbors some of the views she professes?

You do realize that other than Keystone, Trade Deal and Gay marriage (which she always supported but as you put it was too spineless along with many other Democrats to come out in favor of it at the time). Other than those things she has been largely consistent. Go back to 80s and see her supporting women's rights, greater and better education, healthcare, among a host of other issues. In the 90s she got more serious on other domestic issues like guns, and later climate change.

You can say Bernie is more progressive by virtue of being more left leaning on many of these topics. But don't act like she would get in office and turn into Jeb Bush or Ted Cruz.



Obama is basically Hillary without an Iraq war vote and being a man of color rather than a woman. Obama won based off having a better campaign and more charisma. They weren't too different back then and Clinton as JVS said before was once called too left leaning.

Dude you need to chill. Just like you like to call some posters Bernie bots, you come off as a Hillary bot lol

 

[VivaRevolution]

You might be talking about me if your talking about a person who switched from libertarianism to democrat socialist. But I didn't post any articles, just told my story and reasoning.

I still maintain, depending on WHY you're voting for certain candidates, a jump from paul to sanders is very easy to understand. Paul was the least pro war guy, so is sanders. pot legalization was championed only by paul (and gary johnson), and sanders is the only one who continually makes an issue of it. Both felt banks/fed reserve are out of control and need to be reigned in. both rally against crony capitalism.
Their reasonings might be different, and their methods might be different, but their end results are the same on above issues, and if that is what is important to you, then thats how you vote.

I feel like this was covered long ago in the most concise way possible. "More than one way to skin a cat".

I think those that can't see this, are perhaps caught in what I refer to as lizard brained thinking:

In 1954, the limbic cortex was described by neuroanatomists. Since that time, the limbic system of the brain has been implicated as the seat of emotion, addiction, mood, and lots of other mental and emotional processes. It is the part of the brain that is phylogenetic ally very primitive. Many people call it “The Lizard Brain” because the limbic system is about all a lizard has for brain function. It is in charge of fight, flight, feeding, fear, freezing-up, and fornication.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/where-addiction-meets-your-brain/201404/your-lizard-brain

Basically, it is a binary thought process. It is either a 1 or a 0. It can not be anything else, because the processor, can't consume anything else.

 

[theBLADE1]

@theBLADE1 , it looks like the Sanders campaign missed Hillary "Voted for Bankruptcy Reform Act".



Also, when she was pushing her healthcare bill while Bill was POTUS, she tried to stop intervention to stop genocide because it would take attention away from her. I don't even know how to quantify that level of narcissism.

Starts at 4:20, but the whole piece is short and sweet enough that its worth listening to.



Also, its pretty funny listening to Hitchens talk about her experience knowing what a crap job she did as SoS and watching her attack Sander's "lack of experience".

Lying to people is a part of her political identity. She makes no qualms about making shit up just to make herself look better. I am almost certain were confident that if elected she would change her mind on the Keystone pipeline and flip-flop on the TPP. The thing that has been pissing me off the most lately is the fact that people spout this myth that Hillary Clinton has more experience than Bernie Sanders and it literally could not be further from the truth.

 

[theBLADE1]

Dude really? She would basically be Obama but with some slight differences. Her and Obama agree a lot on Economic reform, financial reform, minimum wage, climate change, gay rights, gun control, foreign policy etc.

If she wins it's like Obama 3rd with some slight differences. Hence why talk radio conservatives hate her so much since Obama was the devil to them. term and that is why.

I don't see how anyone could prefer a Ted Cruz, over a Hillary. Even if you think Hillary is corrupt don't you think somewhere deep down she harbors some of the views she professes?

You do realize that other than Keystone, Trade Deal and Gay marriage (which she always supported but as you put it was too spineless along with many other Democrats to come out in favor of it at the time). Other than those things she has been largely consistent. Go back to 80s and see her supporting women's rights, greater and better education, healthcare, among a host of other issues. In the 90s she got more serious on other domestic issues like guns, and later climate change.

You can say Bernie is more progressive by virtue of being more left leaning on many of these topics. But don't act like she would get in office and turn into Jeb Bush or Ted Cruz.

This confirms you did not even read what I wrote. At what point did I say I preferred Ted Cruz over Hillary? Or any Republican for that matter? In fact I said I would vote for her if I felt like she was going to lose the Republicans. And I do feel she has a better chance of losing to the Republicans than Bernie.

But you will never convince me that she's trustworthy because she isn't. I don't like her and nothing that I have researched about her, or anything you have said about her changes my mind.

 

[SouthoftheAndes]

Dude you need to chill. Just like you like to call some posters Bernie bots, you come off as a Hillary bot lol

I wouldn't even be acting like this if it wasn't for conspiracy theorists who are a threat to our democracy. I also, am spitting largely facts. In any case David Cameron was right in that conspiracy theorists are a threat within. This election cycle has seen more hate, negativity and radicalizing on both sides of the aisle. And this would not hAve happened if conspiracies without evidence, correlation, or reason weren't so tolerated in America.

Also, come call me when I start making things up about Sanders. All I've ever criticized him on was legit policy. Oh and come call me when I claim that Hillary is a God has no flaws, and had perfect ideas all around.

Oh and I also don't make brash statements claiming my opinion cant be changed even by evidence.

 

[Hallelujah]

I really want Bernie to win but I would be okay with voting for Hillary. I could never vote republican because they would make income inequality even worse then it already is.

 

[Hallelujah]

Lying to people is a part of her political identity. She makes no qualms about making shit up just to make herself look better. I am almost certain were confident that if elected she would change her mind on the Keystone pipeline and flip-flop on the TPP. The thing that has been pissing me off the most lately is the fact that people spout this myth that Hillary Clinton has more experience than Bernie Sanders and it literally could not be further from the truth.

Don't worry guys Bernie is the career politician you can trust!

Spoiler

 

[VivaRevolution]

Don't worry guys Bernie is the career politician you can trust!

Spoiler

You don't have to trust bernie. Judge him by his voting record.

Voted down every trade bill he has ever seen. Votes to protect your civil liberties. Voted against the Iraq war, against the Patriot act. Voted for the disclose act, to force campaign finance disclosure. Co-Sponsored a bill to audit the fed.

Have no illussions. Bernie sanders is a politician by trade, and understands the craft, but you don't have to trust him, follow the money, and his voting record.

 

[VivaRevolution]

Full disclosure - I don't feel the Bern, but I do respect him, his honesty, and his grassroots campaign to take on the most powerful woman in politics for the nomination.

In Iowa, there's no doubt (edit: extremely fishy) some level of corruption happened. The fact that some precincts wete awarding deligates by coin flips is as amazing as the fact that Hillary won six in a row. That's a 1.5% or 1/64 possibility.

There's talk that this primary race could be the nastiest in the history of the Democrat Party, and that's a long history.

Hopefully, there's a clean winner, but if there's not, and Bernie is screwed by Hillary and the party's powerbrokers, via any number of possibilities, in the general election, do you....

A. Its either Bernie, or bust.

B. Bite down and vote for Hillary.

C. Say 'Fuck You, Hillary' and vote for the Republican.

I ask this with no preconcieved notions, or expectations of the results. I'm genuinely curious.

Prophetic.

 

[Steve-French]

Prophetic.

Interesting bump

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Prophetic.

I completely forgot I made this thread.



You have a hell of a memory, remembering a thread someone else made.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Prophetic.

Ya know what's really weird?

You bumped this thread 40 minutes before the poll closed.

 

[Arkain2K]

Full disclosure - I don't feel the Bern, but I do respect him, his honesty, and his grassroots campaign to take on the most powerful woman in politics for the nomination.

In Iowa, there's no doubt (edit: extremely fishy) some level of corruption happened. The fact that some precincts wete awarding deligates by coin flips is as amazing as the fact that Hillary won six in a row. That's a 1.5% or 1/64 possibility.

There's talk that this primary race could be the nastiest in the history of the Democrat Party, and that's a long history.

Hopefully, there's a clean winner, but if there's not, and Bernie is screwed by Hillary and the party's powerbrokers, via any number of possibilities, in the general election, do you....

A. Its either Bernie, or bust.

B. Bite down and vote for Hillary.

C. Say 'Fuck You, Hillary' and vote for the Republican.

I ask this with no preconcieved notions, or expectations of the results. I'm genuinely curious.

 

[tkotom]

Luckily he didn't win. He's a disgrace.

He preaches about socialism and astronomically high tax brackets for other people and yet paid 13% in tax.

He also pretended as though he was morally superior to Hillary, and then backs her to the death. No spine. No morals. Sellout.

And he's full of shit about near every topic. All lovely soundbytes, no substance.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Nope, I was just paying close attention to politics throughout the primary season, on both sides.

Between the fuckery in the Iowa caucuses, and how the super delegates were voting for Hillary reguardless of how their states voted, there was a very high unlikelyhood of Bernie winning.

Not to mention the MSM was completely in Hillary's pocket as much as the super delegates.

This thread and poll was made because I genuinely curious as to the reaction of Bernie supporters if he was screwed.


I maintain the theory that the DNC's conspiring to screw Bernie and give Hillary the nomination alienated his fanbase, and eventually cost Hillary the election.

There's never going to be any serious investigation by the MSM to see if this is true (for obvious reasons), but I'd say it's the most likely senario.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Luckily he didn't win. He's a disgrace.

He preaches about socialism and astronomically high tax brackets for other people and yet paid 13% in tax.

He also pretended as though he was morally superior to Hillary, and then backs her to the death. No spine. No morals. Sellout.

And he's full of shit about near every topic. All lovely soundbytes, no substance.

And he has 3 houses...

...and this is what made me lose complete respect for him (which I did have when I made this thread over a year ago)...