Bernie, Biden, and Warren showing all the signs of 2020 runs

[lfd0311]

I voted for Trump and would have voted for Biden had he ran...

 

[AndroidRage]

I call Bernie an independent socialist because he calls himself an independent socialist. Warren at least runs as a Democrat and always has run as a Democrat.

IMO, what Bernie did to the DNC was just about as shitty as what he did to them. He spent his entire career as an independent then suddenly decides one year he'll run as a Democrat and hijack all their resources and effort, and even when defeat was staring him straight in the face he held on longer than even Clinton did against Obama when Clinton did better against Obama than Bernie did against Clinton. He unnecessarily split the focus for the Dems an incredibly critical election at an incredibly critical time.

He calls himself an Independent. He also calls himself a democratic socialist. Never heard him call himself an Independent socialist.

He ran as a dem because no one in this country has anywhere near a legitimate chance of getting elected running in a fringe party. Hijacked what resources? He raised all of his money through small contributions with a grass roots movement. He refused super pac money. Hillary was in charge of the DNC resources and rigged the primaries in her own favor.

 

[Rational Poster]

He calls himself an Independent. He also calls himself a democratic socialist. Never heard him call himself an Independent socialist.

He ran as a dem because no one in this country has anywhere near a legitimate chance of getting elected running in a fringe party. Hijacked what resources? He raised all of his money through small contributions with a grass roots movement. He refused super pac money. Hillary was in charge of the DNC resources and rigged the primaries in her own favor.

Dude he still calls himself and independent even after the election.

He got the exposure of a Democrat. He was at the Democrat debate instead of with Gary Johnson.

 

[AndroidRage]

Dude he still calls himself and independent even after the election.

He got the exposure of a Democrat. He was at the Democrat debate instead of with Gary Johnson.

Because he is an Independent. He ran for president as a Dem. He refuses to call himself a Dem because he feels that a good number of them are corrupt. And ofcourse he feels that is even more true of Republicans.

He got exposure as A Dem running in the primaries. That was the whole idea. If he ran as an independant he would have been ignored. And things he pushed for as part of his platform would not be as popular as they are now either. Grass roots fundraising for candidates would not be as popular as it is now, etc. etc. And a lot of Dems wouldn't be pushing for these more popular policies now either.

 

[Rational Poster]

Because he is an Independent. He ran for president as a Dem. He refuses to call himself a Dem because he feels that a good number of them are corrupt. And ofcourse he feels that is even more true of Republicans.

He got exposure as A Dem running in the primaries. That was the whole idea. If he ran as an independant he would have been ignored. And things he pushed for as part of his platform would not be as popular as they are now either. Grass roots fundraising for candidates would not be as popular as it is now, etc. etc. And a lot of Dems wouldn't be pushing for these more popular policies now either.

He served in congress 1979-2015 as an Independent.

In 2016 he decides to be a Democrat and they're supposed to bend over for him? What did he do for the Dems to earn that exposure after running against them for over 40 years?

Shouldn't the Democrat party favor their own lifelong Democrats over lifelong Independents?

 

[AndroidRage]

He served in congress 1979-2015 as an Independent.

In 2016 he decides to be a Democrat and they're supposed to bend over for him? What did he do for the Dems to earn that exposure after running against them for over 40 years?

Shouldn't the Democrat party favor their own lifelong Democrats over lifelong Independents?

They should favor someone for their policies. What fucking good is it to fund some one who has been on the corporate dole taking money from big pharma for example while promising to do something about drug prices? How does that help the DNC? Who like the RNC is full of lobbyists.

 

[Rational Poster]

They should favor someone for their policies. What fucking good is it to fund some one who has been on the corporate dole taking money from big pharma for example while promising to do something about drug prices? How does that help the DNC? Who like the RNC is full of lobbyists.

You didn't answer the question.

What did Bernie do for the Democrat establishment that they should throw their weight behind him after he ran against them for 40 years?

Policy doesn't matter here. This is about real life human relationships.

 

[HereticBD]

Shouldn't the Democrat party favor their own lifelong Democrats over lifelong Independents?

They should favor the best candidate. Hillary wasn't it.

 

[woodguyatl]

The implication is that President Trump is somehow a documented and proven liar.

I'm simply asking for evidence of this claim.

Didn't he claim to have not written the statement about his sons meeting with Russians? A claim that was later directly contradicted, in writing,by his own attorneys.

Do you believe that he did not have sex with Daniels and he clained.?

 

[Chinballs]

It will be interesting to see DNC's take on 2020. If there still is a DNC by then.

 

[method115]

You didn't answer the question.

What did Bernie do for the Democrat establishment that they should throw their weight behind him after he ran against them for 40 years?

Policy doesn't matter here. This is about real life human relationships.

Nothing but they should have made it known that they weren't going to help him and were going to favor Hillary. They should have made that clear to everyone who was a democrat because plenty of democrats did not know that the DNC was favoring Hillary.

 

[luckyshot]

Senator Elizabeth Warren is a proven and documented plagiarist.

I've already pointed out this fact.

It's common information, I suggest you look it up.

Is your objection to her really based on cookbook recipes?

You think Americans were willing to overlook “grab them by the pussy” but cookbook recipes will be deal breakers?

This is just an article claiming that President Trump said inaccurate things.

You still need to demonstrate an instance were President Trump said a documented, proven, undeniable, and objective lie.

We've already been able to do that with Elizabeth Warren, and her proven lies.

I mean, should we start with the largest electoral college win and inauguration crowd in history, or do you want to look further than Inauguration Day?

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

No, no, and no

Inning over

 

[AndroidRage]

You didn't answer the question.

What did Bernie do for the Democrat establishment that they should throw their weight behind him after he ran against them for 40 years?

Policy doesn't matter here. This is about real life human relationships.

"
You are what you say you are

In his 2016 presidential bid, Sanders seems to oscillate between labeling himself as a Democrat and being an independent. But that’s neither inaccurate nor particularly unusual, experts said.

Unlike elsewhere in the world, joining the two major parties isn’t contingent upon membership fees or an application process. Party leaders also don’t have the power to say someone isn’t a Democrat or a Republican.

So political affiliation in the United States is a matter of self-identification, in both the governing system and the party organizations, experts said. That allows Sanders and other elected officials to be flexible.

For example, Pennsylvania Sen. Arlen Specter switched from Republican to Democrat in office in 2009, while Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman became an "Independent Democrat" after losing the Democratic primary, pointed out Daniel Holt, an assistant historian in the Senate Historical Office.

"There is nothing official to mark their party membership," Holt said.

"So it certainly does happen that candidates switch into and out of independent status, and I suppose they're called by whatever party they're running as at the time," said Marjorie Hershey, a professor of political science at Indiana University who specializes in political parties.

Sanders listed the Democratic Party as his party affiliation in his statement of candidacy. At the start of his campaign, he still seemed uncomfortable self-identifying as a Democrat
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Taken from politifact. He voted with dems more than actual dems did. He has fought for Democrat supported things like unions in states that aren't even his own.

 

[AndroidRage]

Nothing but they should have made it known that they weren't going to help him and were going to favor Hillary. They should have made that clear to everyone who was a democrat because plenty of democrats did not know that the DNC was favoring Hillary.

Other candidates in the DNC primaries were screwed as well. They should have been up front about all of that like you said.

 

[Rational Poster]

Nothing but they should have made it known that they weren't going to help him and were going to favor Hillary. They should have made that clear to everyone who was a democrat because plenty of democrats did not know that the DNC was favoring Hillary.

They did make it clear in their contract with him.

It was basically, "we'll take your excess donations but we won't necessarily help you with anything"

 

[Rational Poster]

"
You are what you say you are

In his 2016 presidential bid, Sanders seems to oscillate between labeling himself as a Democrat and being an independent. But that’s neither inaccurate nor particularly unusual, experts said.

Unlike elsewhere in the world, joining the two major parties isn’t contingent upon membership fees or an application process. Party leaders also don’t have the power to say someone isn’t a Democrat or a Republican.

So political affiliation in the United States is a matter of self-identification, in both the governing system and the party organizations, experts said. That allows Sanders and other elected officials to be flexible.

For example, Pennsylvania Sen. Arlen Specter switched from Republican to Democrat in office in 2009, while Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman became an "Independent Democrat" after losing the Democratic primary, pointed out Daniel Holt, an assistant historian in the Senate Historical Office.

"There is nothing official to mark their party membership," Holt said.

"So it certainly does happen that candidates switch into and out of independent status, and I suppose they're called by whatever party they're running as at the time," said Marjorie Hershey, a professor of political science at Indiana University who specializes in political parties.

Sanders listed the Democratic Party as his party affiliation in his statement of candidacy. At the start of his campaign, he still seemed uncomfortable self-identifying as a Democrat
"
Taken from politifact. He voted with dems more than actual dems did. He has fought for Democrat supported things like unions in states that aren't even his own.

Still ignoring the required human relationship that it takes to run for President.

The people who spent their lives working for the DNC and with DNC candidates had no loyalty to Bernie and shouldn't be expected to afford him that loyalty just because he decided to hijack their party after 40 years of being an independent.

 

[Farmer Br0wn]

Is your objection to her really based on cookbook recipes?

You think Americans were willing to overlook “grab them by the pussy” but cookbook recipes will be deal breakers?


I mean, should we start with the largest electoral college win and inauguration crowd in history, or do you want to look further than Inauguration Day?

If you believe these statements to be untrue, show the objective and measurable evidence to support it.

We already have objective, measurable, and undeniable evidence that Elizabeth Warren is both a liar and a thief.

 

[AndroidRage]

Still ignoring the required human relationship that it takes to run for President.

The people who spent their lives working for the DNC and with DNC candidates had no loyalty to Bernie and shouldn't be expected to afford him that loyalty just because he decided to hijack their party after 40 years of being an independent.

I have no clue wtf you mean by required human relationship to run for president?

Blind loyalty is the problem with both parties though. You are saying he shouldn't have been able to run as a Dem because he didn't want to be part of the good ol boys club.

This is also from that article and I meant to include it in that post

"
By 1997, Sanders was still not a member of the House Democratic Caucus nor a Democrat. But he voted with the party more often than the average Democrat (95 percent of the time opposed to 80 percent). Keeping good to their promise, Democratic leadership gave Sanders a subcommittee chairmanship over a freshman Democrat.

When he ran for the Senate a decade later in 2006, still as an independent, the party worked to stop Democratic candidates from running against him, and he was endorsed by numerous state and national Democrats."

He has been working with Dems for a couple decades now. Is that what you are referring to?

 

[Rational Poster]

I have no clue wtf you mean by required human relationship to run for president?

Blind loyalty is the problem with both parties though. You are saying he shouldn't have been able to run as a Dem because he didn't want to be part of the good ol boys club.

This is also from that article and I meant to include it in that post

"
By 1997, Sanders was still not a member of the House Democratic Caucus nor a Democrat. But he voted with the party more often than the average Democrat (95 percent of the time opposed to 80 percent). Keeping good to their promise, Democratic leadership gave Sanders a subcommittee chairmanship over a freshman Democrat.

When he ran for the Senate a decade later in 2006, still as an independent, the party worked to stop Democratic candidates from running against him, and he was endorsed by numerous state and national Democrats."

He has been working with Dems for a couple decades now. Is that what you are referring to?

I'm saying why should the people who spent their lives working for and campaigning for Democrats give their full support to an independent because he decided to hijack their platform?

I'm not talking about blind loyalty. I'm talking about earned loyalty.