Being obese is now a disease

[hardheart]

A decent article here.

So what does this mean? Basically, this will put pressure on health insurance companies to start covering the costs of obesity related treatments provided by doctors. Hopefully, that will lead to less fat people.

 

[Melilot]

"obesity related treatments" have never been shown to work. It's just a way for clinics to make massive money off the misery of people with no self-control.

Tummy tucks are comletely ineffective, 80% are heavier than their pre-op weight after 3 years

 

[NurseKnuckles]

hopefully its a step towards real money being invested in prevention.

 

[Discomushroom]

Stupid. The product of a poor upbringing and an inability to refuse a supersize meal does not constitute a disease in my book.

Hey, when I get drunk I tend to piss in places I shouldn't. Can that be a disease too?

 

[bagelgod]

Hey, when I get drunk I tend to piss in places I shouldn't. Can that be a disease too?

I think Alcoholism is classified as a disease, actually.

 

[immovablestone]

It's pretty dumb...

I mean leaving out that it's not a "disease" at all (fuck the broad definition used today), the only way to make a difference in the obesity here is to make it MUCH cheaper and easier to eat well than it is to eat piles of shit every day. Pills and "treatments" will make no difference at all. From this, at best you'll just get broader insurance coverage for dieticians and gym trainers, as well as health/lifestyle coach types, which is good I guess, but it's still the least direct way to approach the issue.

 

[bubkusjones]

It's pretty dumb...

I mean leaving out that it's not a "disease" at all (fuck the broad definition used today), the only way to make a difference in the obesity here is to make it MUCH cheaper and easier to eat well than it is to eat piles of shit every day. Pills and "treatments" will make no difference at all. From this, at best you'll just get broader insurance coverage for dieticians and gym trainers, as well as health/lifestyle coach types, which is good I guess, but it's still the least direct way to approach the issue.

Not to the fat people, but they will make a difference to the companies that produce said pills and "treatments".

 

[alfredunhill]

A decent article here.

So what does this mean? Basically, this will put pressure on health insurance companies to start covering the costs of obesity related treatments provided by doctors. Hopefully, that will lead to less fat people.

Heartburn is now a disease as well (acid reflux disease)..it's basic business. Not familiar with big pharma, are you?

 

[hardheart]

"obesity related treatments" have never been shown to work.

Yes they have. You must live under a rock.

It's just a way for clinics to make massive money off the misery of people with no self-control.

There are better, easier, already legal ways for clinics to do that.

[/QUOTE]Tummy tucks are comletely ineffective, 80% are heavier than their pre-op weight after 3 years[/QUOTE]

Bullshit hyperbole. Got a source?

I think Alcoholism is classified as a disease, actually.

Nice one.

It's pretty dumb...

I mean leaving out that it's not a "disease" at all (fuck the broad definition used today), the only way to make a difference in the obesity here is to make it MUCH cheaper and easier to eat well than it is to eat piles of shit every day. Pills and "treatments" will make no difference at all. From this, at best you'll just get broader insurance coverage for dieticians and gym trainers, as well as health/lifestyle coach types, which is good I guess, but it's still the least direct way to approach the issue.

The key thing here, is that the medical community will no longer be able to ignore obesity. Doctors, prior to this, could ignore a patients obesity as a behavioral issue. Now that it's a disease, every time an obese person sees the doctor the doctor will need to log that they counseled the patient on treatments for obesity.

 

[Dogstarman]

Yeah but the way we define obesity, through the BMI, needs to change.

 

[swirldog]

IMO we are more likely to see restaurants forced to change their offerings since so many weak-minded peeps have zero self control.

 

[SummerStriker]

Sometimes people on these forums don't see how BAD it is for obese people. I'm obese, but I have a good amount of muscle and a great resting metabolic rate. I'm losing weight eating over 2000 calories a day and I'm not that hungry.

I used to know a weight loss therapist. A lot of his clinics clients were in their 50s-70s and overweight by several hundred pounds. To make matters worse, they had almost no muscle mass and were still gaining weight on things like Weight Watchers or by eating like 1200 calories.

They were putting these people on 500 calorie a day diets.

The extreme level of therapy these people need isn't something they can come up with on their own. Once you start declining fast enough, you can not think of a way to fix it.

Obesity is a disease isn't really referring to ex-jocks 10 years out of their prime that want to lose 50 pounds. It's about 60 year old women who are gaining weight at a pound a week at 1500 calories a day.

 

[WhiskeyPunch]

Control factor. If you can mark it as a "allopathic" disease then you can regulate the remedies to a degree. It's all a scam for control.


They don't care if you are fat. They want you subservient, on meds and dishing out your money. Allopathy is a joke.

 

[Dogstarman]

Sometimes people on these forums don't see how BAD it is for obese people. I'm obese, but I have a good amount of muscle and a great resting metabolic rate. I'm losing weight eating over 2000 calories a day and I'm not that hungry.

I used to know a weight loss therapist. A lot of his clinics clients were in their 50s-70s and overweight by several hundred pounds. To make matters worse, they had almost no muscle mass and were still gaining weight on things like Weight Watchers or by eating like 1200 calories.

They were putting these people on 500 calorie a day diets.

The extreme level of therapy these people need isn't something they can come up with on their own. Once you start declining fast enough, you can not think of a way to fix it.

Obesity is a disease isn't really referring to ex-jocks 10 years out of their prime that want to lose 50 pounds. It's about 60 year old women who are gaining weight at a pound a week at 1500 calories a day.

How did that 60 year old woman get to be 400 lbs? What choices did that woman make? I know some very sick people that say its my life and I'm going to live it how I want.

I also know some people that shun anything that is remotely challenging. It's to hard to walk around the block. I hate getting all sweaty. I hate the taste of water. These people are drinking sweet tea and real HFCS sodas, all day long.

You can't take 30 minutes out of your day to go for a brisk walk? You have to deep fry all your foods? Really?

I have an Aunt that is obese and is one of these 60 year old fat asses you speak of. All she does is drink sugar laden drinks all day and eats shit food. This lady is a retired nurse. She has an idea of what needs to be done. She complains of knee and back pain. I get pains like this but mine are from lifting, running and bjj. Her's are from being a fat fuck.

I had another aunt that had juvenile diabetes. She had to control her diet. You know what she ate? She ate cookies and candies and all sorts of shit foods. You know why? Because its her body and her life. She would probably be alive today but she died in her late 30's.

Don't give me that bullshit about how it's hard for these fat asses.

 

[immovablestone]

The key thing here, is that the medical community will no longer be able to ignore obesity. Doctors, prior to this, could ignore a patients obesity as a behavioral issue. Now that it's a disease, every time an obese person sees the doctor the doctor will need to log that they counseled the patient on treatments for obesity.

Sure, but, will that really make a difference? Anything is possible, but I'm guessing not much...

 

[SummerStriker]

How did that 60 year old woman get to be 400 lbs? What choices did that woman make? I know some very sick people that say its my life and I'm going to live it how I want.

I also know some people that shun anything that is remotely challenging. It's to hard to walk around the block. I hate getting all sweaty. I hate the taste of water. These people are drinking sweet tea and real HFCS sodas, all day long.

You can't take 30 minutes out of your day to go for a brisk walk? You have to deep fry all your foods? Really?

I have an Aunt that is obese and is one of these 60 year old fat asses you speak of. All she does is drink sugar laden drinks all day and eats shit food. This lady is a retired nurse. She has an idea of what needs to be done. She complains of knee and back pain. I get pains like this but mine are from lifting, running and bjj. Her's are from being a fat fuck.

I had another aunt that had juvenile diabetes. She had to control her diet. You know what she ate? She ate cookies and candies and all sorts of shit foods. You know why? Because its her body and her life. She would probably be alive today but she died in her late 30's.

Don't give me that bullshit about how it's hard for these fat asses.

Hey, I understand. I'm just trying to explain how it is a disease, not that it isn't self inflicted.

Their aches are from being fat as fuck. Yours are from lifting and BJJ. Mine is from doing medical transport and picking their fat asses up out of bed or off the bathroom floor.

You haven't lived until you have back boarded a 500 pound, 5'6" woman who fell in a 5x7 bathroom with her head by a toilet, or squeezed an 850 pound woman into a column of fat so that her sides don't get scraped wheeling her out the door, or getting a celluliteous hand print when you partner thought you were going to trip stepping off their bed because they are too fat to lift them while standing on the floor.

I resent the shit out of these fat bastards locking themselves in an attic and growing like a pumpkin in a jar, then asking people like me to carry them.

My point is that when they decide to try and turn things around, they can't because they have made themselves too sick. They really do need medical treatment at that point, like someone who decided that falling out of an airplane was a mistake and that they actually need a parachute.

 

[Dogstarman]

Hey, I understand. I'm just trying to explain how it is a disease, not that it isn't self inflicted.

Their aches are from being fat as fuck. Yours are from lifting and BJJ. Mine is from doing medical transport and picking their fat asses up out of bed or off the bathroom floor.

You haven't lived until you have back boarded a 500 pound, 5'6" woman who fell in a 5x7 bathroom with her head by a toilet, or squeezed an 850 pound woman into a column of fat so that her sides don't get scraped wheeling her out the door, or getting a celluliteous hand print when you partner thought you were going to trip stepping off their bed because they are too fat to lift them while standing on the floor.

I resent the shit out of these fat bastards locking themselves in an attic and growing like a pumpkin in a jar, then asking people like me to carry them.

My point is that when they decide to try and turn things around, they can't because they have made themselves too sick. They really do need medical treatment at that point, like someone who decided that falling out of an airplane was a mistake and that they actually need a parachute.

I don't envy your job. I hate fat fucks. I hate their weak ass excuses and how they are so god dammed soft.

I can't even imagine the smells you smell when you finally lift that tub of lard off that bed they've been on for months at a time.

I feel for you man.

 

[SummerStriker]

I don't envy your job. I hate fat fucks. I hate their weak ass excuses and how they are so god dammed soft.

I can't even imagine the smells you smell when you finally lift that tub of lard off that bed they've been on for months at a time.

I feel for you man.

Haha, thanks. It's all good. It got me into weight lifting. I was on the extrawide cot / medic for about 2 years right after I became a paramedic and I hadn't lifted weights much - sucked. I also had a ventilator, so I got some of the people who were too fat to breathe.

Seriously, fat people smell like piss sometimes, but that's about the worst you see. The worst smells are old people that aren't being taken care of properly because they can't ask for help or are too embarrassed to. That shit would make my blood boil. Fortunately I have a new gig now and can take a break from all that.

 

[Seriously-Dead]

Control factor. If you can mark it as a "allopathic" disease then you can regulate the remedies to a degree. It's all a scam for control.


They don't care if you are fat. They want you subservient, on meds and dishing out your money. Allopathy is a joke.

True. This is something to worry about.

The decision is good and bad in my opinion. In one vein, physical activity and dietary guidance is the most proven long-term way to treat obesity, so this will put pressure on insurance companies to let doctors write prescriptions to see exercise and diet specialists. So this should end up increasing education and training in dietary and fitness for the general population, which is a huge inarguable benefit.

In another vein though, this will further monopolize control over the treatment of millions of people. I don't think it'll get to the point where random non-medical professionals get sued by medical organizations for giving obesity-treating advice, but who knows, dumber things have happened. Sane heads don't often prevail.

To all the people saying obesity is not a disease, kindly shut up until you actually work with this population directly. Yeah, yeah, we get it, they should just put the fork down or whatever. A "disease" isn't something that comes from lifestyle choices, right? -- except in the case of damn near every disease we have. Osteoperosis is from not consuming enough bone-building nutrients and not getting enough exercise - but that's a disease. People sometimes get cancer from working in improper working environments - but that's disease. Lifestyle choices can end up manifesting as diseases, they have no barring on whether or not something is classified as a disease.

 

[WhiskeyPunch]

True. This is something to worry about.

The decision is good and bad in my opinion. In one vein, physical activity and dietary guidance is the most proven long-term way to treat obesity, so this will put pressure on insurance companies to let doctors write prescriptions to see exercise and diet specialists. So this should end up increasing education and training in dietary and fitness for the general population, which is a huge inarguable benefit.

In another vein though, this will further monopolize control over the treatment of millions of people. I don't think it'll get to the point where random non-medical professionals get sued by medical organizations for giving obesity-treating advice, but who knows, dumber things have happened. Sane heads don't often prevail.

To all the people saying obesity is not a disease, kindly shut up until you actually work with this population directly. Yeah, yeah, we get it, they should just put the fork down or whatever. A "disease" isn't something that comes from lifestyle choices, right? -- except in the case of damn near every disease we have. Osteoperosis is from not consuming enough bone-building nutrients and not getting enough exercise - but that's a disease. People sometimes get cancer from working in improper working environments - but that's disease. Lifestyle choices can end up manifesting as diseases, they have no barring on whether or not something is classified as a disease.

I see your point...but rarely do you see a doctor pass up the opportunity to sell a pill or prescription. When the solution was to eat correctly and excercise (natural detox). This opens a new door for big pharma to corrupt an ailment that has a natural cure. I am into naturopathy if you can't tell.