Being "liberal"... what's it REALLY mean now a days?

[panamaican]

So identity politics then.

Either way, that's shows a woefully incomplete understanding of what's actually going on in American politics. You're watching a magician and getting caught up in the misdirection.

It's identity politics to state that the 2 parties have devolved into identity politics? That's asinine. Describing something accurately isn't the same as subscribing to it. That's child logic to assert otherwise.

Yes, I'm sure that I have a woefully incomplete understanding of American politics as defined by someone who couldn't even put together a complete understanding of a single internet post that he quoted.

Thanks but I'm going to pass on interpretations from someone who has already abundantly demonstrated his inability to read and process information.

 

[ObamaPhoneLady]

It's identity politics to state that the 2 parties have devolved into identity politics? That's asinine. Describing something accurately isn't the same as subscribing to it. That's child logic to assert otherwise.

Yes, I'm sure that I have a woefully incomplete understanding of American politics as defined by someone who couldn't even put together a complete understanding of a single internet post that he quoted.

Thanks but I'm going to pass on interpretations from someone who has already abundantly demonstrated his inability to read and process information.

Your posts aren't actually that brilliant, sorry to say.

 

[panamaican]

Your posts aren't actually that brilliant, sorry to say.

Sure they are.

If they weren't, you wouldn't feel the need to comment on whether or not they qualify for the designation.

 

[ObamaPhoneLady]

Sure they are.

If they weren't, you wouldn't feel the need to comment on whether or not they qualify for the designation.

 

[panamaican]

Of course you are. At every turn, you've failed to properly understand the written word. It's not surprising that you'd also not recognize your own internal shortcomings. Naturally, you're going to protect your fragile ego by insisting that the other person should be ashamed of pointing out your shortcomings to you.

You made a glaring error. I should be embarrassed for pointing it out.

 

[Devout Pessimist]

so he did what Trump usually doesn’t and prepared himself so he didn’t look stupid

If you consider preparing for something that has nothing to with politics, then I guess Trudeau deserves some credit. The problem is that he used that to dodge far more important questions.

 

[Throwin Bombs]

If you want the real answer, Rebranded communist.

 

[FrontNakedChoke]

Obviously it's drifted very far from classical liberal.

When I was a teenager (2000s), it was the Conservatives who were the bullies. They were shutting people down, censoring language, ruining the careers of those who dare speak ill of George Dubya (Dixie Chicks), etc. They were the ones enacting violence on fellow citizens.

Now it seems the shoe is on the other foot. As I stand here in my early 30s, all I see is liberals trying to censor and shut down free speech. I see liberals trying to ruin careers over language and differing beliefs. And I see far left groups like Antifa going out and sucker punching peaceful citizens on account of who they voted for and support.

When I was a teenager and early 20s I was a proud liberal. Liberals were the ones who encouraged debate and spoke truth that was unpopular but needed to be said. Now if you speak that same truth, it's liberals who slip the noose around your neck.

What happened to liberals, and what does it mean to be a Liberal/progressive now a days?

Liberalism got hijacked by radical leftists.

 

[Prutfis]

American or European liberal?

It is not 100% of the reason but you take those elements, the leaked e-mails, and mix it with the Clinton foundation it lead to center-left leaning people voting for Trump.

Do the people who have a problem with the Clinton foundation not have a problem with S.A giving Ivanka pet charity 100 million and trump then bending the knee?

Seems many of the things trumptards were claiming Hillary would do, trump has done to even greater extent. Like hiring GS alumni. Being S.As bitch etc.

Trumptards have flushed their principles down the shitter one trumpism at a time.

 

[Steve-French]

American or European liberal?


Do the people who have a problem with the Clinton foundation not have a problem with S.A giving Ivanka pet charity 100 million and trump then bending the knee?

Seems many of the things trumptards were claiming Hillary would do, trump has done to even greater extent. Like hiring GS alumni. Being S.As bitch etc.

Trumptards have flushed their principles down the shitter one trumpism at a time.

None of this happened prior to the election though. Between the incorrigible cry bully's that were getting a lot of media attention, the identity politics, and the Clinton leaks it's not unfair to say that some center left people voted for Trump.

I voted for Gore, Kerry, and Obama twice, but voted for Trump this time around. There are a lot of things he does that I don't like, but overall I think he's doing a decent job. Just like I thought Obama did an overall decent Job.

 

[sambobeer]

The biggest thing being a liberal means is that you are an ally to People of Color (POC) right @sniper

 

[sambobeer]

The problem is the far left gives regular liberals a bad name the same way the far right gives regular conservatives a bad name.

Personally I can't stand either.

lol, read your posts, you are basically Stalin and Hitlers love child.

 

[Rygu]

lol, read your posts, you are basically Stalin and Hitlers love child.

If that's what you think, you're at least 3 times stupider than I thought. That's actually impressive. Perhaps work on that comprehension a little kiddo.

 

[FIMN]

My family has lost life and limb for generations defending the US Constitution and the freedoms it guarantees. My eldest son left this week for basic training continuing this tradition. Your god damn right I'm emotional when I see a US political party attempting to destroy American culture, American values, American borders and everything the Constitution and US flag stands for and replace it with a globalist one world oppressive government. You should be emotional too. Instead your probably just another communist going to claim that I'm a Russian.

No I just think you're shrill and profoundly uneducated. You could be a russian but who knows?

 

[dormammu]

Being liberal

And being conservative...

 

[S Class]

Radical leftists really need to stop using the terms "progressive" and "liberal" because they're neither.

 

[Twc]

Like others have said a lot of liberals are more moderate but the problem is the Democratic party and media are far left. For that reason alone, I will never vote Democrat again unless they change.

Main reasons being:
1) they are for open borders and want to abolish ICE. They criticize Trump for separating kids from their parents but if you look at the photos they're using some are from 2014. This has happened for years, well before Trump came into office. If they want to change things, change the law. Immigration laws need to be enforced.
2) their anti cop, pro BLM support. I absolutely believe cops should be held accountable when they kill people who don't pose a threat like Eric Garner. However look at all the recent stories of police brutality they're bringing up like that 18 year old in I think it was Chicago who was involved in a drive by shooting who ran when the cops pulled the car over and was shot and killed. How was the cop supposed to know he didn't have a gun on him? (He had 2 magazine clips) A gun was found in the car and the other teenager who ran was found to be the shooter. That and the guy breaking into cars in Sacramento at like 4 am who ran from the cops.

 

[IGotAHugePeckah]

Seems like the left is getting gradually more far left, even since I posted this thread.

Being a full blown socialist and advocating for open borders is no longer considered a "far left" opinion, it seems to be the position of the Democratic party moving forward.

 

[Factory]

Being liberal means to replace traditional values like family, hard work, patriotism, faith with LGBQTWTF, praising Muslims and hating your own country.

 

[Edgy Brah]

Radical leftists really need to stop using the terms "progressive" and "liberal" because they're neither.

Replace them with regressive and authoritarian.
I'm a leftie btw. Sick of spumante socialists virtue signalling ideals that can shape policy that have no benefit to social improvement. They seem mostly to have chosen a degree in social sciences and have realised they are mediocre and unfuckable so everyone must pay.