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Discussion in 'Grappling Technique' started by Drew Foster, Jan 29, 2012.
I got caught just like this in my last bjj tourney. I thought I was good and about to pop my head out and then I was waking up .
Kinda looks like the McKenzietine.
I wish I could find a link where the difference has been explained. This is a Marcelo Garcia style guillotine. The McKenzie one is also called the Prayer guillotine, and the support hand palms the bottom of the choking fist, and pushes up the choking arm. The idea with the Marcelo/high-elbow is to block their shoulder so they cannot drive in with their shoulder to flatten you out. They are actually almost opposite. In a way, one is pulling and one is pushing.
I've been doing my guillotines like this since I seen a video of Marcelo saying its the way he does them, and I actually finish guillotines alot more often then I did.
also the prayer choke is really strong but i find it hard to get your arm in under there neck as deep as you need to, to finish it.
With prayer chokes, I treat them like a dan Severn (gable grip) to a rnc. In other words, I shoot from the prayer to a fnc. It makes it way easier to get deep IMO, because there is more emphasis on pulling your elbow deep.
it seems when you get your opposite arm trapped triangle style none can defend.
if your arm isn't trapped, is a good defense to pull his elbow down? Or perhaps slide your hand through the loop to break his grip (although this would temporarily tighten the grip)
Honestly as soon as the elbow goes up it's like locking an RNC. Pulling the elbow down would be a good defense, but if they're good with the choke they will slam down on your arm with their leg and trap it. Marcelo emphasizes to do that if they pull your elbow down.
The best I've managed is to front flip or try to scramble out and hope that I can get out before they can ride it over to the mount. Hard to stop it once it's on. :icon_neut
That was really well done, fair play.
Most certainly true. Best get your tapping hand warmed up for sure.
I've seen this called the serra Guillotine as well. Nice finish
Seemed like she was out for too long before anyone noticed. Her arm goes limp at .37 and it's like .41 before anyone realizes.
My favourite guillotine by far though.
Lol, thats Jenn! (Girl doing the guillotine) she trains at my gym. Shes been getting so much better recently. Funny thing is she was super nervous before this match, and then she pulled out this sweet guilotine! Lol
marcelo garcia guillotine instructional. 1 dvd. 29.99
^not real. but wish it was.
My instructor says he follows marcelo garcia closely teaches a lot of his techniques, so its not a surprise when that stuff finds its way to us the students and comes out in rolls and competition. My buddy won one of his matches at NAGA yesterday with that guillotine
Check it out. The guy went out, fell to the ground and then what you dont see on camera is when he tried to get up he fell over again, which is what had his coach run out on the mat
SDC10022 - YouTube
i love the marcelotine. it's the best way to get to the mckenzitine.
I know it's totally illogical, but I can't stand the term "Mckenzitine." Oh, well, sweet guillotine. Thanks for posting, Drew.
the move almost seems unfair how good it works
Damn, is it just me or does it look like she has crazy shoulder flexibility? Sick finish.
Women tend to have much more flexibility in their shoulders, which is why this is an especially good technique for them.
I have started using a reverse grip, ie gable grip, with this choke, and find it gives you a lot more flexibility to get your shoulder high.
I remember in swim team too, women could swim butterfly easier than men because their shoulders are so much more flexible, it's easier for them to clear their arms. For men to swim butterfly, you have to really swim hard to get that clearance.