I'm not sure if I'm the only one, but I'm getting a little tired with these members that may or may not have ulterior motives coming in the G&E forum talking smack about whatever brands are being talked about here. "literally steal from the consumer".... I'm sorry, how is either Bill or Topboxer "literally stealing" from the consumer? Are they taking the consumers' money without the consumers' knowledge and offering nothing in return? Who cares about what they say about who they're competing with? Customer service is on them. There are stories going both ways in terms of CS. They're not forcing anyone to buy their equipment. Find a better way to try and convince others to purchase competitor's products please, most preferably with a review, photos, heck maybe some scientific evidence?