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thanks Sinister, I've have really bad rotar cuffs and now realise why, I'm very bad for extending my shoulder out of my socket on my left hook, and now its fucked.
Also Wineland vs Picket is a good example of the chest up chin down posture AFAIK
yeah I see what you are saying there. Do you feel like modern boxing defense puts strain on the shoulders?
Like I said earlier I experimented with a more slanted stance and I feel like it gives me extra protection so I do find it very interesting.
These above posts are related. Yes, shoulders down in the sockets. What should raise your shoulder naturally for protective purposes, is the tilt of your upper-body. Not actually lifting the joint out of place.
And yodave, covering up and taking punches on your arms while they're folded definitely puts a strain on the shoulders. This is why conditioning coaches are such a hot thing in combat sports now. When people learn poor form, they need more conditioning.
Perhaps I read KS overall point wrong, I misinterperted his last sentence. Still I don't see the posture being the factor in either of those fights.
Also to clarify to the two others, I'm not saying posture is not important and yes I think posture can make timing, distancing, and power more efficient and some people can gain power with different tweeks and technique. Still I don't see either mans posture in these fights as so far off that it was the issue, I think other factors were more of the cause.
Also Sinister, I agree a fundamental good posture saves you from damage to openings on the shots you didn't see coming or not expect (It's one reason I pretty much feel hands up is a must in any fighting style once your in punching range or up against a quick kicker, you can get away with lower hands at a distance). Interestingly enough the Karate guy in that fight seemed to have a more open guard than the guy who lost.
I don't know what else to tell you if you "don't see it" other than to look, because it's quite definitively there to be seen. But I think you're focusing on one word too much and ignoring the other. Posture + positioning, because what I was getting at is that one facilitates the other. Positioning decides almost every battle. Very rarely is combat left to chance. Sometimes the guy with better positioning loses (the first two Pacquia/Marquez fights are excellent examples) because he fails to exploit the better positioning he has, or fails to recognize it. However when you get a guy whose posture facilitates his positioning, and he's aware of it, as well as fit to fight, you have the winner of the contest.