Basic BJJ Flow Chart

[Dannicus]

It's been a slow day at work, so I was trying to come up with a basic BJJ Flow Chart, like a road map of positions. I did some web browsing and found this basic chart and wanted your opinions.

Stickgrappler's Mixed Martial Arts page - Brazilian Jiujitsu - Rickson Gracie's Flowchart 1 page
Stickgrappler's Mixed Martial Arts page - Brazilian Jiujitsu - Rickson Gracie's Flowchart 2 page


OK..Discuss...addtions, subtractions, general thoughts?

 

[RemyR]

My question is what purpose this serves?

BJJ is a very open and chaotic sport, don't try to follow a flowchart.

 

[Mattyno]

It's been a slow day at work, so I was trying to come up with a basic BJJ Flow Chart, like a road map of positions. I did some web browsing and found this basic chart and wanted your opinions.

Stickgrappler's Mixed Martial Arts page - Brazilian Jiujitsu - Rickson Gracie's Flowchart 1 page
Stickgrappler's Mixed Martial Arts page - Brazilian Jiujitsu - Rickson Gracie's Flowchart 2 page


OK..Discuss...additions, subtractions, general thoughts?

With my limited knowledge of BJJ I think a flow chart is a good idea but has its drawbacks. I think the pros of the chart are that its VERY general i.e. mount to submission as opposed to mount then listing a bunch of specific subs.

It seems in BJJ that you've always got to be thinking a few steps ahead which in essence is making a flow chart in your head.

I think the cons of of something like this would be if it limits you in the sense that you get into a position and you refuse to deviate from the chart or your plan. I like the idea of a match being an ever evolving entity so while you have a plan you've also got to be able to change that plan at some point if the match deems necessary

 

[ringwerm]

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[Strat]

Considering that flow charts and other tools are used for seriously complicated automatic control systems or process controls, I find it really unlikely that BJJ is too much for it... if you're a computer, that is.

Flow charts and mind maps are much more useful when used for clarifying positions etc rather than a strict tool to use while grappling. I find them really handy. It makes it clearer for me to see the transitions between positions and moves... not to mention a good way to go over details you might have forgotten.

 

[ringwerm]

Aesopian had a good one on his site last year:

 

[Gengis Dan]

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I prefer this one to Aesopians. I do respect flow charts though. As in a very limited set of 'go-to' moves followed by open variables that rest on timing, pace etc..

 

[wenispinkle]

I prefer this one to Aesopians. I do respect flow charts though. As in a very limited set of 'go-to' moves followed by open variables that rest on timing, pace etc..

That one is supposed to be a visual representation of the internet.

The blue is porn.

 

[TigerRoar]

i find that a flower chart is a very personal tool and changes from one player to another. Depending on your play style you may choose totally different transition paths. Probably best a blue belt to create it for himself when studying his style to become a purple

 

[KarateFist]

I think flowcharts would be good if you're working on a plan for competition and want to know exactly what you're gonna do from every position. Otherwise it's not a good thing and very limiting, 10thjj have a flowchart with very specific transitions from one move to another, this is probably one of the main reasons why they have so few variations in the style of their guys and why they produce such terrible grapplers on average