Average IQ in France lowered 4 points within a decade

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•Dutton and Lynn have identified a 4 point decline in French IQ.

•Dysgenics and replacement migration are proposed as causes.

•French IQ losses are found to be associated with the Jensen effect (ρ = .833).

•A common factor of g loadings and 3 biological variables loads on the loss-vector.

•This supports biological causation.

Dutton and Lynn report secular declines in Fullscale IQ evaluated using WAIS of four points a decade in France between the years 1999 and 2008–9. It is posited that the trend may have a partially biological cause, stemming from dysgenic fertility and, to a lesser extent, replacement migration. Given that these, and other biological phenomena are associated with the Jensen effect, it is expected that if they are the principal causes of the IQ decline then the secular change should also be associated with the Jensen effect.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289615001221


I think its interesting to see the effect of the average IQ of a nation, its not often that there is such a significant shift within a short period of time, to compare statistics before and after the shift in IQ and see how significant it is, in terms of crime rate, overall productivity (GDP) etc.
 
also, here is a danish intelligence researcher warning that this would happen if you let in enough migration from countries with a low average IQ

 
it will be around 70 avg when the natives become a minority
 
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Could this possibly be coinciding with something else?
 
Good thing we've managed to invent computers before we become dumb as fuck.
 

so according to that, IQs started to rise slower or begin declining in certain countries in 2014

which means that france is way ahead of the curve, in that it had already faced a significant drop before everyone else started slowing down...

interesting your article says that as other nations with a significant amount of immigrants integrated them, the nation rose an average of 3 points per decade for ~40 years. but currently in france, the migrants are not rising up to the level of the french. i wonder what france is doing differently to fail in integrating, or if there are simply too many
 
also, here is a danish intelligence researcher warning that this would happen if you let in enough migration from countries with a low average IQ


im generally siding with the guy posing arguments that IQ measurements by race are generally full of shit. (a brain is a brain imo)

however, even though the immigrants may have the capability of assimilating to "high IQ", you cant teach an old dog new tricks.

they arent going to be as motivated to swap cultures on a dime, and that lack of motivation will reflect itsself to some degree in IQ measurements.
 
im generally siding with the guy posing arguments that IQ measurements by race are generally full of shit. (a brain is a brain imo)

however, even though the immigrants may have the capability of assimilating to "high IQ", you cant teach an old dog new tricks.

they arent going to be as motivated to swap cultures on a dime, and that lack of motivation will reflect itsself to some degree in IQ measurements.

i agree its most likely not genetics, but rather a culture, education infrastructure, freetime for academic pursuits etc. I think that IQ by country is a fair indicator, it is just that race is often correlated to countries, so they are often erroneously conflated

but according to ruprecht's first post ITT, most countries were able to integrate those coming from impoverished countries and get them caught up, so it wasnt a net negative (or at least was rising from a net negative by the 1930s when they started tracking it)

somehow france is not keeping up with that, and they arent being integrated to the french average
 
Like alluded to above, human intelligence will eventually be made obsolete by techmology. Especially self improving AI. How much does human intelligence matter in that case? If the machines gain an interest in the arts then there is nothing left uniquely human other than being human.
 
America using proxy rogues to fix our education problem.

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im generally siding with the guy posing arguments that IQ measurements by race are generally full of shit. (a brain is a brain imo)

however, even though the immigrants may have the capability of assimilating to "high IQ", you cant teach an old dog new tricks.

they arent going to be as motivated to swap cultures on a dime, and that lack of motivation will reflect itsself to some degree in IQ measurements.

Average IQ has been increasing every generation in Western nations until the last decade or so. The Flynn effect.
When they say the decrease in IQ is probably the result of a dysgenic effect, they are saying that stupid people are outbreeding smart people and that up until now the increases resulting from improved education and nutrition have covered that up.
However their conclusion points out that the data is extremely inconclusive (their sample was 79 people).

It might behoove us to be more cautious in reaching conclusions based on these results than based on the other studies cited for two reasons: the sample (N = 79) is a relatively small and the WAIS IV manual does not tell us the degree to which it is representative of the French population in terms of variables such as education or geographic region. Clearly, it cuts out those who are under the age of 30 years or over the age of 63 years, but its average age (45 years) is approximately similar to the median age of the French population, which is 42.4 years as of 2014 (Central Intelligence Agency, 2015). In addition, the Full Scale IQ on the WAIS IV sample of 79 subjects was calculated based on a comparison with the WAIS IV sample of 876 subjects, which was representative of the French population on key variables such as education and region. The scores of this sample of 876 subjects were set at 100 and a comparison made with the sample of 79 subjects. As can be seen in Table 4, on this basis the IQ of the sample of 79 subjects was 101.1 with an SD of 14.7, where the French norm would be 100 and the SD 15. As such, the smaller sample can be regarded as representative of the French population in terms of intelligence.
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Secondly, the results for France, for the subtests given in Table 3, show substantial differences in the rates of the decline of different abilities. The largest declines were in Vocabulary (.43d), Comprehension (.32d) and Information (.34d) and the results in Table 4 confirm these by showing the largest decline of 4 IQ points in the Verbal Comprehension Index. Table 3 also shows that Symbol Search was the only subtest that did not show a decline but registered a small increase (.05d). In the Symbol Search test the examinee visually scans two groups of symbols, a target group (composed of two symbols) and a search group (com- posed of five symbols), and indicates whether any of the target symbols match any of the symbols in the search group. The score is the number of correct responses obtained in 2 min.
Thirdly, the results show no change in the Digit Span subtest. This confirms the conclusion of Gignac (2015) that there was no change in forward or backward digit span in the United States over the 85 years from 1923 to 2008. The present results also show that there was no change in the Working Memory Index of which digit span is a component.
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These immigrants are likely to have had some impact on reducing the average IQ of the populations, but it is doubtful whether the increase in the number of immigrants with lower IQs has been sufficiently great to have had a major effect. For instance, in Norway it was shown by Sundet, Barlaug, and Torjussen (2004) that immigrants comprised approximately 2–3% of their conscript samples and that these would have reduced the IQ by only around 0.1–0.2 IQ points (correspondence with Sundet, quoted in Dutton, 2014). In addition, Dutton and Lynn (2013) have observed a decline in IQ scores among Finnish military conscripts from 1997, despite a negligible number of non-Europeans in Finland of the appropriate age at that time. Furthermore, increasing numbers of immigrants with lower IQs than the host population has apparently had no effect in reversing the Flynn Effect in the United States
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Replacement migration in France involving populations exhibiting lower means of IQ and higher rates of total fertility, such as Algerians, Moroccans, Tunisians and Roma (Čvorić, 2014 and Lynn and Vanhanen, 2012) may be increasing the rate of secular losses at the level of g, consistent with speculations advanced in Dutton and Lynn (2015), however the additional loss in g due to this process is anticipated to be very small. Based on a simulation, Nyborg (2012)estimates that in Denmark, replacement migration may be reducing heritable g by .28 points per decade, which would increase the overall loss in gto 1.51 points per decade ( Woodley of Menie, 2015), this still being only 37.75% of the loss observed in the French cohort.

Another possible contributing factor is the so-called “brain drain” (De Rugy, 2012), which involves high-g French individuals emigrating to countries that offer more competitive salaries and better working conditions. Thus human capital flight between 1999 and 2008–9, especially among the younger demographic, may have contributed to the French secular IQ decline, however the precise impact of the effect is difficult to determine.
 
Intelligence radiates from certain plots of soil and the challenge is packing as many humans as possible into that physical area in order to maximize its magical properties

Disagree at your own legal peril
 
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Intelligence radiates from certain plots of soil and the challenge is packing as many humans as possible onto that physical area in order to maximize its magical properties

Disagree at your own legal peril
Magic dirt unt Trajic dirt ja ja ?
 
If you allow massive amounts of people from countries with high incest rates, of course your median iq will drop.
 
I bet I won't be the only guy to think America is worse than that.
 
also, here is a danish intelligence researcher warning that this would happen if you let in enough migration from countries with a low average IQ



No matter how much Nyborg and his "research" has been pummeled to death (including being found guilty of manipulating statistics etc.), I suppose he will never seize to have credibility in certain circles.

This is a guy who bases still bases his arguments on the "cold winter theory".. Please, it's time to move on people. Please find another loon that supports your boner for racial eugenics. I cringe everytime I have to read the word "DANISH researcher" followed by his name.
 
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