AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR v.11 (Crosses $1 Billion Worldwide in Record Time; Dragonlord's Review)

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If you have seen AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR, how would you rate it?

  1. 10 - Excellent

    31.5%
  2. 9 - Great

    38.4%
  3. 8 - Good

    15.3%
  4. 7 - Pretty Good

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  5. 6 - Decent

    2.3%
  6. 5 - Average

    1.6%
  7. 4 - Poor

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  8. 3 - Bad

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  9. 2 - Terribad

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  10. I am a nerd

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  11. 1 - Reserved for Adamant's Score

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  1. Dragonlordxxxxx Senior Moderator

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    Update: April 25, 2018

    Dragonlord’s Review of AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR
    (No Spoilers)

    Bottom Line: Skillfully balancing the different tone and characters, Avengers: Infinity War is an extraordinary crossover event that not only is ambitious in its scale and massive in its scope but as emotional and haunting at its core. This is MCU's Empire Strikes Back.

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    [Note: For this non-spoiler Infinity War review, I will be as vague as possible with the details to make it as safe for everyone to read.]

    If you’re a comic book fan, there was something special when you read a crossover event for the first time. Whether it was Secret Wars or Crisis on Infinite Earths or Infinity Gauntlet, it felt like a momentous occasion seeing the various iconic characters and teams gather together in one comic book series. That is how it must feel like for the Marvel Cinematic Universe fans watching Avengers: Infinity War.

    A 10-year culmination steadily built over the past 18 movies, Avengers: Infinity War exceeds the hype and anticipation to deliver arguably one of the greatest superhero movies ever. Unlike The Last Jedi where it spits in the eyes of their fanbase, Infinity War subverts expectations but in an extremely positive fashion. The plot twists are so staggering and affecting that it demands that you watch it as soon as possible to avoid being spoiled by your friends or the media.

    Despite the overall awesomeness of the film, it has its small share of flaws. Clearly meant for those that have faithfully followed the MCU, Infinity War does away with introductions or plot explanations on previous movies and dives straight after the events of Thor: Ragnarok. The first thing that stood out was Alan Silvestri’s bland, phoned-in orchestral score. The music didn’t fit, it felt intrusive and cheesy which diminished the gravitas of the scene a bit. Just to be clear, the scene is fine but the right score (or no score at all) would have made it better.

    From there, the story shifts to Earth where the film bombards you with action scene after action scene, bordering on exhausting. Marvel Studios normally does a good job of pacing its action but they might have overplayed it a little this time. They could also have developed a proper build-up and greater tension for Thanos and the Black Order’s arrival. The fight scenes are superbly done but a few times it’s too rapid and hard to follow, especially the night scenes.

    One of the enjoyable aspects of the film is seeing the different MCU characters meet for the first time, which they milk for maximum humor effect. The banter does get a bit tiresome and feels forced though when some of the more egotistical characters squabble amongst themselves to see who has the bigger dick. Though lot of the jokes are funny, the comedy goes a bit overboard for my taste and should have been reeled in.

    The first act had an uneven pacing where scene-to-scene transition didn't flow naturally. The turning point when the film starts to find its right footing is when Captain America shows up. It’s no coincidence that the film starts to flow smoother and moving in the right direction as Cap is one of the MCU’s major leader characters that doesn’t rely on quips and one-liners compared to some of his peers.

    Another inflection point for the better is when the perspective shifts to Thanos and his pursuit for the Infinity Stones at the film’s midpoint. Slightly reminiscent of Jim Starlin’s The Thanos Quest, not only does the audience get to know the Mad Titan better and his motivations, they’ll even be inexplicably compelled to root for him to get the Stones. Aside from Thanos being magnificently rendered on the screen as well as being a bad ass powerhouse, Josh Brolin gives a wonderful nuanced performance that shines through all the fantastic CGI effects. Not only is Thanos one of MCU's best villains, he joins the ranks of Gollum and Caesar as one of filmdom’s most memorable talking CGI characters ever.

    Skillfully balancing the different Marvel characters and giving every one of their portrayals justice, directors Anthony and Joe Russo and screenwriters Christopher Markus and Stephen McFeely have done an exemplary job creating an extraordinary crossover event that not only is ambitious in its scale and massive in its scope as it is emotional and haunting at its core. The two monumentally epic climactic battles is simply mind-blowing and worth the price of admission, multiple times. This is the MCU’s Empire Strikes Back.

    Rating: 9/10


    Spoiler Thoughts and Musings for AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR

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    Kinda felt bad for the Asgardians. Half of their race was probably killed by Hela in Thor: Ragnarok. The refugees escaped Asgard’s destruction but only to die by the hands of Thanos and the Black Order.

    With Heimdall killed by Thanos at the beginning, there goes one of the popular theories out of the window that Heimdall has the Soul Stone.

    As expected, Loki died. At least he went out with honor trying to kill Thanos. Also debunked is the theory that Loki was the one who summoned Thanos at the end of Thor: Ragnarok.

    Sif not part of Thor: Ragnarok turned out to be the best thing that could have happened to her. She would have been killed by Hela alongside the Warriors Three in Thor: Ragnarok. If by some chance she survived, she would have met her demise alongside the Asgardians by the hands of Thanos.

    They didn’t show Valkyrie, Korg and Meek among the casualties. Hopefully they survived somehow.

    Hulk versus Thanos was good but it wasn’t the epic brawl I was expecting. The actual fight was limited to a confined space and was all too brief. These two MCU behemoths deserved to duke it out in an open field where they can cut loose and all kinds of cool destructive moves take place.

    Why didn’t Heimdall send Thor to Earth instead of the Hulk?

    Hulk/Banner became the harbinger of doom in the film. In the Infinity Gauntlet comic book series, it was the Silver Surfer who was the messenger.

    Wished they spent at least 5 minutes building up the arrival of the Black Order to Earth. There was no proper build-up. Banner shows up and warns the heroes, then a few minutes later the Black Order showed up.

    Tony Stark and Dr. Strange bickering like children was a bit irksome because their conflict felt forced.

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    I got a laugh when Peter Parker asked Ned for a distraction and Ned shouts “We’re all going to die!” (which in the end is kinda true)

    I inherently don’t like the concept of nanotech suits popping up out of thin air but damn, Iron Man’s Bleeding Edge suit is bad-ass. It’s so powerful that it could go toe-to-toe with Thanos for a short while.

    Ebony Maw and Cull Obsidian fighting the heroes in New York was fun. I liked Ebony. His evangelical speeches didn’t do anything for me but I liked the way he talked – calm, refined and articulate. But the way he uses his telekinesis was very cool and highly effective.

    Cull Obsidian was pretty good. I liked that he wasn’t just like brawler-type and that they gave him some tech to work with especially his hammer which gave him ranged attacks.

    Cull Obsidian’s fight with Iron Man and Spider-Man was good but the action was a bit too fast and would have liked it if they slowed it a bit down to better digest and savor the battle.

    What’s interesting (and funny) is Banner cannot transform into the Hulk because Hulk refuses to go out, even saying out loud “no!” in mid-transformation. With Hulk being more intelligent now, he seems to have acquired the notion of fear after being brutally beaten by Thanos.

    Tony summoning the Iron Spider suit and saving Spider-Man was pretty cool. I wasn’t really enamored with the Iron Spider suit in the trailers but it has won me over especially seeing the spider-arms in action.

    Strange’s Cloak of Levitation was once again very funny. It has its own personality like the magic carpet in Disney’s Aladdin.

    It was mentioned that Ant-Man and Hawkeye are under house arrest. Both did not appear in this movie.

    Cap’s entrance was very cool. It also felt like the film finally had a clear direction and purpose.

    I liked Corvus Glaive and Proxima Midnight. They were solid and formidable opponents.

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    The Guardians bit where the team, except for Quill, would fawn over Thor and Quill’s insecurities were funny. I just found it unnatural for Thor to be so cheerful when his people and stepbrother were just massacred.

    Unlike in Age of Ultron, Thor’s side quest to forge a new weapon was both meaningful and entertaining. Peter Dinklage’s role is also revealed as an ironic giant dwarf who is the master forger.

    With Groot giving part of his body as the ax handle, Thor gets a brand new weapon – Stormbreaker. I heartily approve. I’ve said in the past that Mjolnir looks a bit awkward when Thor swings it into action and that Thor needed a Stormbreaker-like weapon that has a very long handle.

    Gamora plays a major part in the story as it is revealed that Thanos does love her. It was heartbreaking to see Thanos sacrificing her to get the Soul Stone.

    The biggest surprise of the movie was the return of the Red Skull. After he was banished by the Tesseract, he sort of became the keeper for the Soul Stone. It’s still unclear if that was Hugo Weaving portraying the Skull or was it his voice.

    The battle at Titan was epic. Star-Lord really impressed me with his fighting and tactical prowess. The Bleeding Armor was amazing. Also impressed with Tony's battle skills.

    When they were in the middle of getting the glove off Thanos and Star-Lord was about to jeopardize the plan, if I were Tony, I would have zapped Star-Lord unconscious.

    Dr. Strange also gave a good showing against Thanos. His shadow clone jutsu was very cool. And even though they tried to rationalize it, I still believe that Dr. Strange with the Eye of Agamotto/Time Stone would have been enough to defeat Thanos.

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    The battle at Wakanda was another epic moment. It’s a bit stupid the Wakandans didn’t employ ranged weapons against the Outriders but the battle is so spectacular you just go with it.

    Thor arriving at Wakanda was goosebump-inducing and a great fantastic moment. Banner yelling to the enemy “you’re all screwed!” was also great.

    Loved how Banner defeated Cull Obsidian without the Hulk’s help, who still had performance anxiety issues.

    Thanos was clearly toying with Cap and the team as he could have easily overpowered all of them. He also knew he had the Time Stone to undo events if necessary.

    So in the end, Thanos wins and kills half of the universe. My eyes got a bit teary-eyed when Peter Parker was dying. His pleas of “I don’t want to go. I don’t want to go” hit me in the feels. (I know I know they're not really dead and will come back in Avengers 4)

    I loved that the trailers used the "Cap and gang running hero shot" to fake us out. Hulk didn't even show up in Wakanda.

    I think Shuri will revive the Vision. I think she had enough of his memory to put him back together. The question now is the new Vision going to be cold and robotic. And will Vision's new form be the white (or grey) version.

    One of my daughters made an astute comment that if Thanos is omnipotent, why not just expand the universe or expand the resources so that no one goes hungry. I agree. Thanos’ imagination is so limited. Instead of killing half of the universe, he could magically cure most of its problems with the Gauntlet. She also had several theories and one of them is what if Thanos just created an alternate reality/universe where the other half of the population didn't die but just lived there.

    In the post-credits scene, Nick Fury and Maria Hill turn to Ash. Before dying, Fury managed to activate his overgrown pager which showed the symbol for Captain Marvel. My brain is filled with so many questions. Is Captain Marvel confined in the quantum realm? How does she fit inside the Infinity War storyline.

    I predict that at the end (or near the end) of the Captain Marvel movie that Carol Danvers will either fly off into space (or go in the Quantum Realm) and she will have a pager with her and she'll tell Nick Fury that if he/they need her, just page her.

    They say Carol Danvers is going to be one of the most powerful beings in the MCU. So that's good news because they're going to need that extra firepower going up against Thanos in Avengers 4.



    Link to previous Avengers: Infinity War threads: [1], [2], [/3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10]
     
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    Update: April 28, 2018

    Dragonlord’s Idea for the Ending of AVENGERS 4
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    [Warning: Contains spoilers for Avengers: Infinity War.]

    I’ve come up with what I think is a great ending to Avengers 4. It’s poignant and emotional that goes full circle to the first Avengers movie. The problem is my plot point might be too good. So I hope you guys don’t really get an unhealthy attachment to this ending so that you won’t be disappointed when the actual Avengers 4 goes off in a totally different direction. So without further adieu, here’s my pitch.

    At the end of Avengers: Infinity War, half of the universe’s population was killed off by Thanos, instantly turning into ash. The original six members of the Avengers are still alive (Hawkeye is presumed to be also alive). That got me thinking - 6 Infinity Stones for 6 Avengers. One of the themes of Infinity War was sacrifice. What if in order to undo what Thanos did to the universe, the original six Avengers have to sacrifice their lives for the greater good. Chris Evans and Chris Hemsworth's Marvel contracts end after Avengers 4. So what better way to end it than to go out with a bang.

    Basically that’s the gist of my ending. Six Avengers for six Infinity Stones. Now I only had a few hours to work on this, so it’s pretty rough but the following is a plot summary of the ending to my Avengers 4.

    (IMPORTANT: Play the video and just listen to the music while reading)




    The original six Avengers (Cap, Iron Man, Thor, Widow, Hawkeye and Hulk) alongside War Machine, Vision (repaired), Rocket, Nebula, new Black Panther (Shuri), Okoye, Ant-Man, Wasp, Abomination (recruited) and Captain Marvel have laid siege to Thanos’ base in some planet (let’s just call it Galmaron). The original 6 Avengers with Nebula are fighting Thanos inside the base while the others are fighting the Chitauri army outside.

    The Infinity Gauntlet hasn’t been working properly ever since the end of Infinity War but it’s still formidable enough to lay a serious beating on the invading Avengers. Nebula is seriously injured and lying on the ground. Thor lands the killing blow with Stormbreaker lodged in Thanos’ head. With his last death spasm, Thanos orders the Infinity Stones to cease functioning in order to prevent the Avengers from undoing what he did. Simultaneously, Cap grabs the Gauntlet trying to yank it off Thanos’ hand.

    Cap’s mind is briefly transported inside the Soul Stone. The Red Skull is there cloaked, his face covered. Cap doesn’t recognize him. Skull says some cryptic words of wisdom. Before vanishing, Skull notes the universe has a strange sense of humor giving the fate of the universe at the hands of a kid from Brooklyn (which is a reference to their conversation in The First Avenger). Before Cap could figure out who he was talking to, he is brought back to the real world.

    Cap informs the team that there’s a small chance to restore a spark in the Infinity Stones and use it for one last time but all of them have to make the supreme sacrifice. Rhodey is on the com saying that they can’t hold off the Chitauri army any longer. After a brief emotional banter and farewell, the six hold one Infinity Stone each in their hands. They close their eyes and concentrate. Soon the Stones begin to glow. Bright light fills the room. We see brief footages of the characters’ camaraderie and battles from Phase 1 to 3. Eventually the white light consumes everything on screen.

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    In what may be an afterlife or just a figment of their subconscious mind, each of them is alone in a serene place and greeted by someone. The bright light makes it difficult for the audience to see who the greeters are but you can reasonably surmise who they are: Tony – his mom, Steve – young Peggy Carter, Thor – Odin and Loki, Clint – his wife and kids, and so on. Everybody approaches their loved ones except Clint who says goodbye to his family before his family fades out.

    We see throughout the universe the half of the population that died returned via ash reformation. On Earth, we see the resurrected people reunited with their loved ones. Clint’s family is returned to their farm. On Galmaron, the deceased heroes are resurrected inside Thanos’ base. Spider-Man, Black Panther, Star-Lord, Drax, Mantis, Groot, Falcon, Bucky, Scarlet Witch and Dr. Strange are all there. Those that were killed prior to Thanos snapping his fingers remained dead.

    The returned heroes are all happy to be back. Peter Parker jubilantly says thank you to Mr. Stark and turns around only to find the original six Avengers lying on the floor lifeless. They’re all in shock and in disbelief. Nebula informs the heroes inside and the ones on the outside that Steve, Tony, Bruce, Natasha, Clint and Thor are all dead, sacrificing themselves to undo what Thanos did. Parker, who views Tony like a surrogate father/uncle, crumbles besides Tony’s corpse and cries.

    The heroes indoors can hear the battle outside. In a slow motion sequence, they turn their attention outwards and walk outside. Their faces filled with anger and tears. They join the battle. Slow mo stops, regular speed resumes. The heroes, all in agony, fight the Chitauri with a rage and fury never seen before. They unleash all their pain and anguish unto to the Chitauri forces until they are all vanquished.

    EPILOGUE

    Waves and waves of humanity attend the funeral march for the six Avengers founding members back on Earth. Nebula recorded what the six Avengers did and the footage has been released to the public and played over and over again. People all around the world watch their television set with tears. At the burial ceremony, we see Clint’s family, Pepper Potts and Happy Hogan, General Ross and Betty Ross, Peter Parker and Aunt May, Nick Fury and Maria Hill, Coulson and team, Bucky and Sharon Carter, the Wakandan delegates, and the rest of the heroes.

    Pepper gives a beautiful and tearful eulogy. After the eulogy, the camera pans out to reveal the memorial statue of the six Avengers.

    THE END

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    (Play the video and listen to the music while reading. Imagine this is the ending credits of the movie.)




    POST-CREDITS SCENE (1)

    We see a taxi driving in a suburban area. Inside the taxi are two parents and their teenage daughter. The parents keep on assuring that this move is for the best. The daughter wants to stay with the parents. The father insists that it’s for her own good. The taxi arrives at a large gate and buzzes the intercom. The gate opens. As the taxi goes inside, we see the address – 1407 Graymalkin Lane. The End.

    POST-CREDITS SCENE (2)

    Nick Fury and General Ross are walking in a college hallway. They’re arguing over the merits of a new project. Fury insists that the fallout and the emergence of Cosmic Rays near the Earth is cause for concern and should be investigated. They stop outside a class room. Ross asks Fury if this is the guy he’s recommending for the project. Fury nods. We see the back of a mid-30s professor writing something frantically in the whiteboard. One of the students raises their hands and says, “Dr. Richards?” The professor turns around (but we don’t see his face) and says, “Yes?” The End.


    Notes: Those two post-credits are not really necessary. They can just be omitted out.

    Since some of the actors are still under contract with Marvel Studios after Avengers 4, the six characters that will sacrifice themselves don't have to be all six of the founding members.

    The non-functioning Infinity Stones are with the different heroes, serving as keepsakes. One is with Vision, another with the Guardians and so on and so forth.


     
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    Update: April 30, 2018

    AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR Shatters Box Office Record with $258.2 Million U.S. Weekend and $640.9 Million Worldwide Bow


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    Disney and Marvel's Avengers: Infinity War kicked off the summer box office in high style over the weekend, opening to a record-setting $258.2 million in North America and $382.7 million overseas for a global total of $640.9 million, the top worldwide debut of all time, according to final numbers. The superhero mashup accomplished the feat without China, where it doesn't unfurl until May 11.

    Final numbers released Monday were up from Sunday's estimates, which showed Infinity War debuting to $250 million domestically and $630 million internationally.

    Fellow Disney title Star Wars: The Force Awakens ($248 million) was the previous record-holder for biggest domestic bow, while Universal's The Fate of the Furious had held the record for biggest global start ($541.9 million).

    Infinity War's box-office victory was aided by the biggest Saturday of all time in North America ($83 million), as well as the biggest Sunday ($69 million), reflecting powerful word of mouth. The tentpole cost close to $300 million to produce before a major marketing spend.

    Directed by the Russo brothers, Avengers: Infinity War is the most ambitious amassing of superheroes ever on the big screen and comes as Marvel Studios — led by Kevin Feige — celebrates the tenth anniversary of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. In 2009, Walt Disney Co. chief Bob Iger paid $4 billion to acquire Marvel Entertainment, even though many of the superhero characters in Marvel's stable were unproven.

    "Marvel spent 10 years methodically and carefully creating a universe of characters, worlds and stories that all led to this and, in doing so, created an event unlike anything the business has ever seen," said Disney distribution chief Dave Hollis as he prepares to exit the top post and turn his job over to studio veteran Cathleen Taff.

    "We have been sitting here all weekend in astonishment," added Taff.

    Infinity War is the first film to be shot entirely with Imax cameras. Imax theaters in turn delivered $41 million of the total worldwide gross, the biggest showing ever for a Marvel title. The U.S. share was $22.5 million.

    Marvel Studios is unrivaled in its success, now boasting six of the top 10 opening weekends of all time. The Avengers ($207.4 million) previously held the mark for the biggest superhero launch, followed by Black Panther($202 million). They are the only other superhero titles to have crossed $200 million in their first weekend.

    Infinity War also continues Disney's domination at the box office. The studio has bragging rights to nine of the 10 biggest domestic openings, including the top three; Infinity War, Force Awakens and Star Wars: The Last Jedi($220 million). Universal's Jurassic World ($208.8 million) is No. 4.

    As in North America, Infinity War set a slew of industry records overseas, including staking out the second-best international opening all time. Fate of the Furious still reigns as the top international opening with $443.2 million, thanks to a hefty $185 million day-and-day debut in China. Without China, Fate of the Furious' international start would have been roughly $258 million.

    Box Office Milestone: 'Avengers: Infinity War' Passes 'The Force Awakens' With Record $258M U.S. Bow
     
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    Update: May 5, 2018

    AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR Crosses $1 Billion Worldwide Box Office in Record Time


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    Disney and Marvel's Avengers: Infinity War has crossed $1 billion at the worldwide box office faster than any film in history. Directed by Anthony and Joe Russo, the superhero mashup achieved the milestone on Saturday, its 11th day in release. That supplants the 12 days it took for fellow Disney title Star Wars: The Force Awakens to join the billion-dollar club. (The clock begins on the day a film opens overseas, which, in the case of Infinity War, was April 25.)

    Infinity War finished Friday with a worldwide total of $974.5 million, including $369.7 million in North America, where last weekend it eclipsed the December 2015 launch of Lucasfilm's Force Awakens($248 million) to score the top domestic opening of all time with $257.8 million.

    The film's international total of $604.8 million through Thursday is all the more impressive for the fact that it doesn't set sail in China until May 11. It debuted in Russia on Thursday to $4.9 million, the biggest opening day of all time there.

    Disney's domination is hard to ignore. On Friday, Disney crossed $3 billion in ticket sales at the 2018 global box office, the fastest any studio has reached this threshold in a given year (in 2016, Disney set a new benchmark when crossing $3 billion on May 6).

    Infinity War becomes the 34th movie to cross $1 billion at the global box office, not accounting for inflation. The Disney empire lays claim to 17 of those titles — or half — including six Marvel films (The Avengers, Avengers: Age of Ultron, Black Panther, Iron Man 3, Captain America: Civil War and Infinity War).

    Topping the list overall is Fox's Avatar ($2.788 billion), Paramount/Fox's Titanic ($2.187 billion) and Disney/Lucasfilm's Force Awakens ($2.068 billion). They are the only three films that have earned north of $2 billion, and all three were released over the year-end holidays. Universal's Jurassic World ($1.671 billion) and The Avengers ($1.518 billion), both released in summer like Infinity War, round out the top five.

    Avengers: Infinity War has already outperformed a slew of superhero films. On Thursday, it surpassed the entire worldwide run of Spider-Man 3 ($890.9 million), Spider-Man: Homecoming ($880.2 million), Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice ($873.6 million) and Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 ($863.8 million).

    That's after passing up Thor: Ragnarok ($854 million), Wonder Woman ($822 million) and Spider-Man ($822 million) on Wednesday and Deadpool ($783 million), Guardians of the Galaxy ($773 million), The Amazing Spider-Man ($758 million), X-Men: Days of Future Past ($748 million) and Suicide Squad ($747 million) on Tuesday.

    The other major Hollywood studios continue to hold off unfurling their big summer pics because of Infinity War. Instead, a trio of smaller films brave the waters at the domestic box office this weekend, where the Avengers tentpole will easily dominate with a haul in the $115 million-$120 million range, the second-biggest weekend of all time, not adjusted for inflation.

    Force Awakens is the record holder for biggest second weekend ($149.2 million), followed by Black Panther($111.7 million), Jurassic World ($106.6 million) and The Avengers ($103.1 million).

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    My collected thoughts on the movie (warning, huge block of text incoming)

    1. Story, script and dialogue


    First of all, i don't think anyone who did not watch pretty much all of the MCU movies (maybe not Ant Man and Incredible Hulk) would even grasp the level of details needed for following this movie. That said, i like the straight to the point thing. We don't need another intro or flashback, given how Ragnarok ended. IMO, story flows (mostly) naturally, with some minor pacing problems due to the nature of the story (different Earth and space locations) but that is just nitpicking.

    Story present a continuation of different movies and while one could (if one tries) find some things to object in relation to the timelines, it's better to just enjoy the movie for what it is.

    I felt the movie portrayed the theme, or better said, what i think was the theme, to perfection. To me, the theme was sacrifice. All of the major characters either deal with sacrifices they did (in previous movies) or have to do currently, for themselves or for the greater vision.

    Thanos motivation, while a bit confusing (i like the points @Dragonlordxxx (and his clearly bright daughter) mentioned) brought him completely to life. It's not the standard power, money, revenge or chaos things, it's something else. And while not new, or particularly empathizing, it helped to bring the character to life. He's shown compassion, respect, regrets, fear, even a slight of depression, and ultimately that is what makes me, an ordinary movie goer, empathize with him as a character. Brolin's voice was sublime. Just echoing thrgouhout the entire movie, loud and clear through calm and composed sentences.

    The dialogue in some cases (such as Thor humorous tone with GotG) felt a bit out of place given the events that unfolded previously were quite dramatic. I'd write that down to the directors trying to brake the tension and going the Disney route of softening the darker scenes with humor. Apart from that, no major quarrels from my side.

    2. Character (development) and acting

    I felt connected to and understood the actions by all the main characters, especially Thanos (see above).

    That said, i kind of missed being deeply affected by the gravity of the situation. It's probably the fact i was pretty sure the finger snap would happen
    and the fact that the following movie will probably erase all that in typical comic book fashion
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    Also, i kindo of got the feeling Iron man did some overacting. Either that or he started incorporating the depression/apathy/hopelesness found in IM3 into later movies.

    GotG cast feel out of place. So weird, i love them, and they are among my two favorite MCU movies, but i don't know, I just felt they were out of sync with the rest of the story and found them mostly annoying. Wait. Not all of them. Only Peter and Drax. Quill was just so annoying in the entire movie, even the superb action scenes were not getting him out.

    The bickering between Dr Strange and Iron Man seemed a bit forced. Or just how it should be. Not exactly sure. Yes, i know Tony and Burce are BFFs, but when you think of it, Dr Strange and Iron Man are essentially the same guy. Their origin movie is basically the same movie. Obnoxiously cocky, extremely smart guy gets humbled to the ground, learns a valuable lesson from someone older and wiser, turns for the better and saves the day.

    The bickering between IM and Peter seemed right. Tony can't stand Peter, who's not as smart, not calculated and strategic, acts out of pure selfishness and emotion. The only thing that didn't seemed right in the movie was that Iron Man seems like the kind of guy that would recognize that Peter was going off the rails and would incapacitate him before he messed up the entire plan of removing the gauntlet.

    3. Pacing and tone

    Extremely well done. I can see why some people would think the action scenes were needlessly prevalent, but I found them to be extremely well balanced for a movie that has to contain so many action scenes. The opening scene going straight for come heavy moments was right on the button. One immediately gets this sense of impending doom
    by Hulk getting a can of whoop-ass and Loki strangled to death
    , which flows naturally throughout the rest of the movie.

    The humor was just a tad too much, kind of like Thor Ragnarok, but not in the field of GotG 2 (completely getting us out of the movie experience). The closing shot (not the post credit scene) was perfect. This shot made me appreciate what (directors tried to depict) Thanos did, and his thoughts on the entire event even more.

    4. Cinematography, including sound and visuals.

    The default benchmark in CGI, IMO. Only on one single ocassion, when Thanos is walking up a set of stairs did i find it to be unnatural.
    Action scenes were awesome, but fast paced in a couple of ocassions. The trouble with the night action scenes, one of the biggest faults in BP, continues in this movie, especially in the opening sequence. After the movie, I did feel that them working as a team in fight scenes (e.g. incorporating attacks by Quill with the sorcery of Dr Strange) was a bit too premature since it was their first fight together.

    I had no problems with the score, obviously the Avengers theme song played felt appropriate at the time it was played, and the song on the GotG first appearance felt a bit cliche but understandably so. Apart from that, i can't remember a single song, so i guess it was neither here nor there.
    The use of the reality gem – classic. This one sets the benchmark for all movies where magic/mystical/supernatural powers occur. Turning to stones and ribbons, not so much, but making bubbles instead of blasts– awesome. I did feel that showing the power of each stone individually (not just reality and time) would maybe showcase the strengths of each individual stone for the people (me included) that forgot them.

    5. Random thoughts, rants and opinion

    Again we are treated to scenes depicted in the trailers not actually happening in the movie. I hate this. More on that in the spoilers.

    I'm still confused as to why i have so much trouble accepting the Cap America character. The only thing that stands out to me is maybe the false moral high ground which just irks me the wrong way. I can't stand him.

    Hulk getting beat was brutal. Yeah, Thor fight as seen in Ragnarok, was great, but Thanos is a straight up OG in this fight. Quick, tactical, strategic and brutal AF. It really shows the difference between a trained fighter and a brawler (which is what Hulk is). All the while not using his other powers, but straight up beating Hulk to a pulp in a fist fight. And while I hope there is a fight between Hulk and Thanos when Thanos is not wearing the gauntlet, i realize Thanos is more powerful than most Hulk comic versions and the outcome is not likely to change.

    Why did Heimdall transfer Hulk to Earth? Makes no sense whatsoever, except for inducing the plot to end up the way it did.

    Loki saying "Odinson" was a good way of Loki accepting/showing him being proud of his adopted heritage, and was a chilling moment (bcs one presumes Loki dies in this one)

    Arm hairs raising up was beyond cool, it's one of the things i wished were shown in Homecoming, but not in a cliche, music induced way they did in previous Spider man movies.

    Bleeding edge is the best iron man suit yet. It just flows. Somehow, someway, other suits had some clunky feel to them (IMO) and this one is the complete opposite.

    Shot of Hulk from the trailers not being included in the movie is a straight dick move. It's not just „oh wait, that shot doesn't appear in the movie“. It changes the entire narrative of the movie. I'm extremely pissed at this. I mean, i didn't even watch the trailer, but certian someone (cough, cough) on sherdog made sure to include it in their gif avatar, making me admire the shot. So thanks for that, i guess ;)

    Cap again with the „We don't trade lives“. Oh. My. God. How many times must you prove to us you're not actually a soldier?? Lose a battle to win a fight is not in your soldier-esque vocabulary? Jeez.

    Why Wakanda for many beasts/soldiers fight scene? Why not Scotland or New York?

    Thor getting the other eye was meh. I liked the Odin callback. It also serves as a reminder that Thor is not all that allpowerful, and can be hurt (like Thanos did). That said, his arrival to Earth is spectacular, with the ultimates armor.

    9/10, even for a regular (not superhero/comic book) movie
     
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    Agreed. Especially after if we take to heart the Odin talk „Asgard is not a place, it's the people“. If that's true, Asgard is no more.


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    Yup, i was among those people. I still think it would be cool, but to tear out an eye from Heimdall and stone from Vision would probably be to graphic and kind of repeating itself. And yes, the current version of how Thanos got the Soul stone serves better for the movie.

    Damn, I completely forgot about them. Not my man Korg.

    Kind of opposite for me, the evangelistic talk was more than enough for me to not want another second of that pompous guy. But yeah, telekinesis – cool indeed.

    Exactly. But in the end, it is probably connected to the one way of defeating Thanos, that Dr Strange talked about.

    This was, for a lack of a better word, comical. What can Cap do, with all his steroids, that Iron Man, Black Panther (both in full battle gear), Drax, Gamora, Vision and Thor cannot? It was absurd he was able to stop the hand of Thanos.

    That one hit me hard, but again, given the nature of the movie (and the fact following Spider man movies are in the talks, it felt in vain.

    I don't want to think about that anymore. Still pissed at them for pulling that? What's next? Showing (in the trailer for the following movie) Iron Man surviving a heart attack on Earth, then doing a 180 and having him killed on Titan 2 minutes into the movie. Hell. No.

    If you want meta, i see no other option but to include a specific cancer struck, healing powers character (that a certain other studio has the rights to) breaking the 4th wall.

    Absolutely. But in the end, it's not like it was a home planet to some characters. But yeah, kind of a bummer they didn't show that.

    That's some great winging it. *Tips hat

    One of the things I did not find believable. How has she shown she was strong? Did she stand up to Thanos (maybe i don't recall that). She acted like any other child would in that situation: either screaming and crying or standing there in complete shock (for Gamora was the other one).
     
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    The score for this movie was f**kng amazing. I love the soundtrack:

     
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    I think Heimdall chose Hulk to transfer because Maw was using his powers on Thor by binding him in the metal. Maybe the bifrost was strong enough to disregard Maw's powers but maybe Maw would have fought it and Heimdall would have been killed without sending anyone. So he took the sure thing with Hulk.

    Wakanda had the tech to remove Vision's stone from his head.

    I think Tony's ptsd was what was causing him to lash out at Doctor Strange. He's living in a lot of traumatic moments from the alien invasion to Cap choosing Bucky. Tony wanted to fly to an alien planet by himself and take on whatever was there which could have been a crap load of alien fleets and super powered beings for all he knew. He's not right in the head.
     
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    Agreed. Especially considering Vision is this all powerful being in the AoU.

    I think all that died due to dusting come back, Gamora comes back through some kind of thing not connected to the time stone (probably Soul stone/realm thing), and Vision comes back, but as something different.

    Wasn't this an event (resurrection after he was killed) that made Drax more smart but less physically strong?

    Not without a significant power up to Drax, as he has shown no signs of him being able to do that in the MCU. Comic book version, where he is actually destined to kill Thanos, yes. But this, solely revenge plot? No.
     
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    I didn't need to know that!!

    What the hell is wrong with you people??

    But seriously, i'm 36 year old, and i cry like a baby when i see this scene. It's not even controllable, i just feel tears coming down my cheeks.
     
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    That's... oddly specific.

    Korg did the same thing with the hammer talk in Thor Ragnarok. It appears to me that if anyone is a man-child, it's the oldest one of all MCU characters: Thor.

    You're 'bout to get flamed, but i respect you.

    He has a point, though.

    Not sure if my sarcasm detector is off, so in the case you're serious, the Civil War story proves you wrong. His self righteous BS is annoying AF. He can doubt any decision, while no one can doubt his decisions. He betrays Iron Man, just on a hunch that Bucky is not behind it all (the bomb) and bcs it's his friend (who was brainwashed and killed that many people even Black Widow was afraid of him) even when faced with plethora of evidence. F Cap America. Go team Iron Man.
     
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    Well if you think about it poor Asgard really has been wiped out. Hela takes maybe half of them before they flee Asgard. Of those remaining they again get decimated by Thanos and the order when they take their ship and we can assume again half were taken. Of those who survived both those, half disappeared with a snap.

    So we have about 12.5% of the race left, maybe.




    They've got me to. Inevitable on forums like this that things will be spolied.

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    Thanos was well written to the point I had an issue with the lack of a well delivered philosophical argument to his motivation from the Avengers. Like they hardly addressed whether his goal was ultimately for the good of the universe or not in an in-depth conversation.
     
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    RDJ is Sherlock, i love him there so much.

    But in IM1, IM2 and Avengers, he is Tony Stark. For me, it is only after Avengers that this depression, old age, insecurity thing takes off and it doesn't suit him.
     
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    Pretty significant spoiler revealed by Gwyneth Paltrow in an interview. Don't open it if you don't want to know it.

    Pepper & Stark have a kid. :eek:

    There's a lot more to it than meets the eye. It tells us there's a significant time gap between Avengers 3 & 4. I assumed she wasn't pregnant in 3 but I'm not sure... as I forget the exact details of that convo they had.

    At the very least she was so early on that it wasn't even showing yet... so we're looking at I'd estimate at least a 7 month gap between 3 & 4... & that's just the minimum if the child is a newborn in Avengers 4. It wasn't said how old the child was.

    https://movieweb.com/avengers-4-spoiler-tony-stark-pepper-potts-gwyneth-paltrow/

    I suppose technically she could possibly be talking about a future Iron Man movie... but I think that's doubtful as the Marvel folks have said that Infinity Wars was going to tie up this set of stories.

    Edit: @TheWorm mentioned that it could be an epilogue scene. which makes sense. So the movie could actually continue with no time gap... but then after the credits, we get a pregnant Pepper. Of course that's assuming Iron Man survives.
     
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    I see your point that they could've extended that a bit... but I found it completely understandable in the relatively quick scenes where they described the over-population of his home planet & how it destroyed his people. he did some experiments on different planets such as Gamora's planet where he killed off half the population & you see him declaring that it's now a paradise instead of being plagued by hunger & lack of resources.

    So I'm pretty satisfied with that aspect of the story being told. He's basically a hero. Mass murdering endless quadrillions of people to do it makes him a psychopath... but in the end his motivation is for the betterment of the universe as he sees it.
     
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    My wife made me sign an online petition on change.org to bring Loki back in 4th avengers movie.

    Seriously, though, what was that shit with a dagger? Why was Loki using magic only in Thor: the dark world?
    Like, I am a wizard-god on par with best magic practicioners, naaah, lets go and stab people
     
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    I don’t know man. I’m a sci fi fan. Love the whole genre. But that film did nothing for me. I didn’t hate it, I just didn’t feel much of anything for it.
    With something like IW, I love talking about it, Discussing theories, and watching videos.
    It is the culmination of a massive connected universe spanning 10 years and 17 films.
    I would say not even Star Wars managed to do that. SW is essentially one long story, the story of the Skywalkers. The MCU has told many stories (even from different genres) and woven them together in a single, cohesive narrative. Incredible.
     
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