Aren't "reach advantages" misleading?

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  1. weakandweary White Belt

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    Isn't reach measured between outstretched finger tips?

    A fighter with a reach of 70" compared to 72" is given "a two inch reach advantage".

    But the advantage should be how much further away a fighter can stand from another and still land a strike, right?

    That would mean you have to think about HALF the reach. So in the above example the fighter with the longer reach should only be able to stand 1" further away and land a strike, not 2".

    I guess I'm missing something?

    Thanks for your help.
     
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  2. Magooglie Steel Belt

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    They're measuring wingspan. I think they should also measure armpit to fist and also the leg, from inseam to the toe off an extended foot.
     
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    Hhhhm what if fighter has 5 foot wide shoulders and only 1 foot length on each arm TS?


    Hmmm,

    Or his fingers are a foot long.


    Hmmmm.
     
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  4. weakandweary White Belt

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    Fair point. Perhaps that is a better way of measuring. Something else should be done to give a more accurate idea of how much "advantage" there it. The "wingspan" way isn't accurate, right?
     
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    The promotion gives zero shits about it. Forums like this put things under a microscope. A few inches of reach advantage won't make or break a fighter in an actual fight.
     
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    It is cool to know that someone has an 80 inch reach. But sometimes fighters with the advantage don't use. All depends on their fighting still to have it as an advantage.
     
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    Guys, come on. The current method of measuring reach is insensitive. Reach should be recorded by what reach the fighter identifies with, that way nobody will have to feel like they aren't being accepted for who they are on the inside. And guys, what's on the inside is what really matters.
     
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    People way over exaggerate how much reach matters, that's for sure. There's an endless category of fights where the person with the longer reach lost. It's never mean much of anything unless the reach difference is massive (at least seven inches or more) and it doesn't always mean anything then.
     
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    Joe? Is that you?
     
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    Typically it’s not overrated. Ask Jon Jones opponents.

    But your reach is as advantageous as your opponent is skilled in controlling the range and sliding in and out closing distance with accurate powerful strikes (eg Garbrant, McGregor, Cormier, Hunt).

    Reach combined with your ability to control the range with offensive threats is dangerous. Again, Jones is a good example...Gus slightly less, but still good....but on the far end you have fighters like Struve.
    Steven Struve has all the reach in the world but sucks at controlling the range so he gets folded up against skilled fighters who can close the distance AND have power (e.g., Hunt).
     
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  11. weakandweary White Belt

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    Agreed. I, too, think the idea of reach shouldn't be overly important. But it does have SOME weight, right? I mean, how simple it would be to just say "fighter X has a 2" reach advantage" instead of 4".

    Seems like a simple correction. Whether reach is the "be all, end all" of parameters is besides the point.
     
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    I think the way a fighter covers distance is way more important than reach, in most cases. Fighters can have a 70" reach but fight like they have an 80" reach.
     
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    All depends some fighters know how to their reach effectively more than others. Struve is pretty bad at it for example.
     
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    Fuck I'm glad you said it. You'd think Struve would be a destroyer but he's atrocious at using his reach.
     
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    Well most mma fighters suck donkey dick at using their reach but in something like boxing it’s really important. Although it is true that they should measure it closed fist to closed fist
     
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    Jones is one of the fighters that uses his reach advantage to the fullest.

    He throws a jab with extended fingers for maximum penetration and reach.
     
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    Here’s the thing though, when you punch you turn your body incorporating some of your shoulder and chest plus you’re already standing slightly side on so measuring just arm length wouldn’t really work. But yeah your actual reach advantage I gues depends on a couple of factors like how bladed you are and how much you turn into your punch
     
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    Jones is still 6 inches closer to Cormier.
     
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    It can be misleading too. I have a reach equal to my height, but my shoulders are quite wide which is more of that reach than it is for most peoples build so i'm rocking some t-rex arms. Not quite artem lobov level t-rexin though. If they're going to measure reach they should honestly measure the length of the arm individually. Simple finger tip to finger tip measurement dosen't really say a lot.
     
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    This isn't boxing so it's not that relevant. A kick has more reach than most punches.
     
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