Are NFL Player the Best OVERALL Athletes

[bubbleboyjones]

You asked which country produces the best athletes. That covers a broad spectrum. The specialised athleticism required to total elite at Powerlifting is at the opposite end of the scale from an Endurance Athlete who runs sub - 2: 30 Marathons, but both are equally valid.

If you wish to narrow the field to best all round athletes, then I stand by my comments on Rugby and therefor New Zealand is the only logical choice.

Well I asked which race not country produces the best athletes. Meaning which racial group they are.

 

[KnightTemplar]

Well I asked which race not country produces the best athletes. Meaning which racial group they are.

I don't believe athletic ability can be quantified by race. And any attempt to do so runs the risk of devolving into outright racism.

 

[bubbleboyjones]

I don't believe athletic ability can be quantified by race. And any attempt to do so runs the risk of devolving into outright racism.

But athletic ability can be quantified by sport and country?

 

[KnightTemplar]

But athletic ability can be quantified by sport and country?

Obviously.

 

[bubbleboyjones]

Obviously.

There you have it folks. White guys and pacific islanders are the best athletes on earth.

 

[Rimbaud82]

There you have it folks. White guys and pacific islanders are the best athletes on earth.

Well not that I am saying that rugby players are the best athletes, but you do realise that rugby isnt only played by "whites guys" and Pacific islanders?

 

[bubbleboyjones]

Well not that I am saying that rugby players are the best athletes, but you do realise that rugby isnt only played by "whites guys" and Pacific islanders?

What percentage of say the top 100 Rugby players in the world are of white or Pacific islander decent?

 

[Rimbaud82]

What percentage of say the top 100 Rugby players in the world are of white or Pacific islander decent?

no idea. a lot probably.

 

[bubbleboyjones]

no idea. a lot probably.

A lot would be an understatement. Probably 95%.

A simple litmus test would tell you a sport where 95% of the best players are White or Pacific islander would scream bullshit about the best athletes in the world participating in it. It doesn't even make sense when you consider how dominate Black athletes are worldwide in other sports; basketball(Jordan/LeBron/Iverson), baseball(Aaron/Bonds/Ken Griffy), soccer(half of the World Cup French team is black), football(Bo Jackson/Jim Brown/Deon Sanders), MMA(Jon Jones/DC/Silva/Mighty Mouse), boxing(Ali/Mayweather/Sugar Ray), track and field(Carl Lewis/Bolt), golf(Tiger), tennis(Williams).....yet rugby is one of the sports that they have minority representation in. The sport with the 'greatest athletes' in the world?

No one believes this outside of rugby fans.

 

[My Spot]

Yeah sure, why not

I wonder what MMA would be like if they fought sporadically for thirty seconds at a time with multiple five minute breaks in between, with access to oxygen, trainers, physical therapists and massages during those breaks. Oh yeah, no USADA either. Wonder if things would be different......

Dude, you can't forget the legendary Andre Smith. An All-American under Nick Saban at Alabama and drafted #6 overall.

 

[BisexualMMA]

Was it Ravden who thought dirtbike riders were the world's best athletes?

 

[Rimbaud82]

A lot would be an understatement. Probably 95%.

A simple litmus test would tell you a sport where 95% of the best players are White or Pacific islander would scream bullshit about the best athletes in the world participating in it. It doesn't even make sense when you consider how dominate Black athletes are worldwide in other sports; basketball(Jordan/LeBron/Iverson), baseball(Aaron/Bonds/Ken Griffy), soccer(half of the World Cup French team is black), football(Bo Jackson/Jim Brown/Deon Sanders), MMA(Jon Jones/DC/Silva/Mighty Mouse), Boxing(Ali/Mayweather/Sugar Ray), track and field(Carl Lewis/Bolt), golf(Tiger), Tennis(Williams).....yet rugby is one of the sports that they have minority representation in. The sport with the 'greatest athletes' in the world?

No one believes this outside of rugby fans.

I literally never uttered the words that rugby contained the best athletes. But they do have great athletes just like any other sport.

Lmao at listing black athletes 'worldwide' in baseball and american football, these are almost exclusively american sports. Basketball is increasingly international, but has historically been dominated by the USA because like the previous two was a very insular sport. Now that the game is being opened up in we are seeing more and more quality international players in the NBA, USA will always be dominant but I would expect this to be questioned more and more in the next 20-30 years.

And the notion of 'black athletes' being dominant in soccer (either historically or currently) because France happened to win the world cup this year is just hilariously dumb.

As for 'blacks' in rugby. There are and have always been plenty of top black players, like

Maro Itoje:

Anthony Watson:

Christian Wade:

Bryan Habana:

Siyi Kolisi:

Gael Fickou:

But true, still a minority in the grand scheme of things. But this largely because of the places that rugby is played and from where it draws it's talent pools..black folks are a minority in general. How many pacific islanders even attempt to play any of those other sports? These are very small countries, but in terms of athletic talent they punch well above their weight. They have fantastic natural talent, but this is pretty much all directed towards the various codes of rugby. Even more so those of pacific ancestry; the same can be said for the NFL. In the USA pacific islanders are such a small minority that their NFL representation makes them something like 25 times more likely to play there than any other ethnic group.

How are you defining 'black' anyway? Do you not consider Semi Radradra and Josua Tuisoiva to be black?

What about indigenous australians? Are they not 'black' enough either?

 

[rj144]

There are some centre backs that can flat out fly and be agile. They are pretty tall be normal human standards. In modern day top flight soccer, the traditional centre forward or target man is kind of disappearing. There is a really good article by ESPN about Giroud and Mandzukic as they meet in the WC final. The centre backs would usually defend against tall strikers who are like equivalent to BBall centers and PFs, but thats changing

http://www.espn.com/soccer/fifa-wor...atia-owe-a-lot-to-old-school-giroud-mandzukic

The centre backs nowadays have to do a lot of chasing around and be very agile. These guys are also the tallest players on the team too often than not.

Are you originally from the UK?

 

[bubbleboyjones]

I literally never uttered the words that rugby contained the best athletes. But they do have great athletes just like any other sport.

Lmao at listing black athletes 'worldwide' in baseball and american football, these are almost exclusively american sports. Basketball is increasingly international, but has historically been dominated by the USA because like the previous two was a very insular sport. Now that the game is being opened up in we are seeing more and more quality international players in the NBA, USA will always be dominant but I would expect this to be questioned more and more in the next 20-30 years.

And the notion of 'black athletes' being dominant in soccer (either historically or currently) because France happened to win the world cup this year is just hilariously dumb.

As for 'blacks' in rugby. There are and have always been plenty of top black players, like

Maro Itoje:


Anthony Watson:


Christian Wade:


Bryan Habana:


Siyi Kolisi:


Gael Fickou:


But true, still a minority in the grand scheme of things. But this largely because of the places that rugby is played and from where it draws it's talent pools..black folks are a minority in general. How many pacific islanders even attempt to play any of those other sports? These are very small countries, but in terms of athletic talent they punch well above their weight. They have fantastic natural talent, but this is pretty much all directed towards the various codes of rugby. Even more so those of pacific ancestry; the same can be said for the NFL. In the USA pacific islanders are such a small minority that their NFL representation makes them something like 25 times more likely to play there than any other ethnic group.

How are you defining 'black' anyway? Do you not consider Semi Radradra and Josua Tuisoiva to be black?




What about indigenous australians? Are they not 'black' enough either?

When did I say you believe this?


I said "No one believes this outside of rugby fans." Thats who I was talking about and you quoted me first so i responded.

Lmao at listing black athletes 'worldwide' in baseball and american football, these are almost exclusively american sports. Basketball is increasingly international, but has historically been dominated by the USA because like the previous two was a very insular sport. Now that the game is being opened up in we are seeing more and more quality international players in the NBA, USA will always be dominant but I would expect this to be questioned more and more in the next 20-30 years.

First of all more people play baseball worldwide than rugby. Second of all U.S. has a bigger population than the top 10 rugby ranking nations combined. So nitpicking me on american football and baseball is completely stupid. These aren't niche sports so don't act like it. My point is they are extremely good in a wide variety of sports.

And the notion of 'black athletes' being dominant in soccer (either historically or currently) because France happened to win the world cup this year is just hilariously dumb.

I just typed this out very quickly giving a recent example with primarily white country having a world cup squad that is comprised of half black athletes. Sorry if you think black athletes are not really good at soccer. I disagree.

As for 'blacks' in rugby. There are and have always been plenty of top black players, like

But true, still a minority in the grand scheme of things.

So which is it? You first said there are plenty of top black players...you name 6 and then go on to say they are still a minority.

How are you defining 'black' anyway? Do you not consider Semi Radradra and Josua Tuisoiva to be black?

No I don't. Do they define themselves as 'black'?

 

[Whiterabbit]

Lol the answer is NFL and its not even close. Skill positions, if u bring up lineman or qbs you are a dumbass. Top Rugby guys have tried to transition and couldn't cut it also if we are playing that game. A team of SEC college running backs would kill professional Rugby teams lol

 

[MadSquabbles500]

Are you originally from the UK?

Nope never been there either. I dont think I can drive on the other side of car and road. I have always wanted to go to UK but I uber the whole way.

 

[MadSquabbles500]

Lol the answer is NFL and its not even close. Skill positions, if u bring up lineman or qbs you are a dumbass. Top Rugby guys have tried to transition and couldn't cut it also if we are playing that game. A team of SEC college running backs would kill professional Rugby teams lol

But they wont have blockers, and they have to stay on field and make tackles, no brakes in between.

 

[tdluxon]

Thing with football is it doesn’t require as much endurance as some sports because there’s breaks between each play. It’s more burst oriented

 

[I Am Legion]

Olympic Decathletes are the greatest athlete sin the world when it comes to overall condition and balance of abilities....they can sprint, run distance, jump, throw etc. a perfect combo of speed, endurance, strength, power and agility.
100m in the 10s
400m in 46s
1500 in under 4 minutes
Jump over 23 feet
Shot put 18 meters
Discus 50 meters
Also javelin, and hurdles.......

 

[rj144]

Nope never been there either. I dont think I can drive on the other side of car and road. I have always wanted to go to UK but I uber the whole way.

Your spelling of center though me.