Are Fake News and economic inequality going to screw the world?

[Jack V Savage]

I think an even bigger issue is non news.

As much as people like to yell left wing propoganda/ right wing propoganda/ fake news etc it's the abundance of idiotic outrage porn over non issues that dominate our news.

Definitely a problem as well. I don't think as big of one.

 

[Edgy Brah]

 

[Kindacrazy]

Are you suggesting that they shouldn't?

Link me up if so.

https://www.weeklystandard.com/once...howing-they-treat-gop-unfairly/article/732009

Politifact isn't neutral at all, they are run by a group of democrats and there is a huge number of examples politifact just being balled face liars. But their specialty is to run a headline saying that a republican lied or a democrat didn't and then completely contradiction themselves in their actual evaluation.

A literal thread on examples of the insane levels of dishonesty that come out of politifact.
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/66254462/

Factcheck.org is a little better, snoopes is quite possibly worse, and the SPLC is just as bad. These "factcheck" organizations are just another avenue of political attack, the left just got in on the strategy first.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Don’t mind me, just upping my post count.

Carry on, bros.

 

[Seano]

Fake news already fucked up American society.

I've got mixed feelings on income inequality. I think some people deserve to have a higher income. There should be incentive to excel, not reward just for being. Thats the key to a productive society, IMO.

 

[Rod1]

Fake news already fucked up American society.

I've got mixed feelings on income inequality. I think some people deserve to have a higher income. There should be incentive to excel, not reward just for being. Thats the key to a productive society, IMO.

The problem tends to be that high income inequality is also an indication that the system is too skewed towards money.

 

[HIMBOB]

https://www.weeklystandard.com/once...howing-they-treat-gop-unfairly/article/732009

Politifact isn't neutral at all, they are run by a group of democrats and there is a huge number of examples politifact just being balled face liars. But their specialty is to run a headline saying that a republican lied or a democrat didn't and then completely contradiction themselves in their actual evaluation.

A literal thread on examples of the insane levels of dishonesty that come out of politifact.
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/66254462/

Factcheck.org is a little better, snoopes is quite possibly worse, and the SPLC is just as bad. These "factcheck" organizations are just another avenue of political attack, the left just got in on the strategy first.

Extremely unconvincing 5 year old article that offers zero examples of anything they got wrong.

Them finding more examples of Republicans lying is not proof of bias. There is nothing that suggests both sides of politics are equally honest, nor anything to suggest their reviews are not impartial.
Maybe their is bias in what they choose to review but that's doesn't affect the quality of their work.


It did have a broken link where they talked about an example of something they got wrong very very wrong but yeah link was broken and is over half a decade ago.


If this is strongest argument you can make against their legitimacy they are better than I could have imagined.

 

[Steve-French]

Fake news is The Onion... So no The Onion is not going to destroy the world.

CNN is insanely biased news but news nonetheless
Fox is insanely biased news but news nonetheless.

All news is news just slanted news. Fake news is The Onion

Fixed that for you. I agree with what you are saying, but slanted news is still imo toxic. People are only going to adjust and become more wise to it though.

While a lot of people in the war room have their left and right bias, there seems to be a trend where most here get their news from multiple sources. Both online and on television, which imo is the best way to go.

 

[Seano]

I think the fake news thing is the least important. Society will eventually develop the tools to regulate bad actors in that space. .

It hasn't done a good job so far. I think MSM has had a horrible impact on this country over the past decade.

 

[panamaican]

It hasn't done a good job so far. I think MSM has had a horrible impact on this country over the past decade.

I think conservative media has largely driven that bus. And social media as a news source multiplier is relatively new, solutions will take time.

 

[Kindacrazy]

Extremely unconvincing 5 year old article that offers zero examples of anything they got wrong.

Them finding more examples of Republicans lying is not proof of bias. There is nothing that suggests both sides of politics are equally honest, nor anything to suggest their reviews are not impartial.
Maybe their is bias in what they choose to review but that's doesn't affect the quality of their work.


It did have a broken link where they talked about an example of something they got wrong very very wrong but yeah link was broken and is over half a decade ago.


If this is strongest argument you can make against their legitimacy they are better than I could have imagined.

You clearly didn't read the links. There was fact checker from a major newspaper who found that the bias against the republicans on the exact same facts were significant. His own editing department found about a 50-50 bias where factcheck found a 75% bias. That is an insane level of bias.

There are several studies that found that they were fairly clearly biased, and in the case of politifact virtually every "factchecker" is linked to a left wing group. If you don't see significant bias in that, I am not sure what to tell you. I guess we will just disagree.

 

[Kindacrazy]

I think conservative media has largely driven that bus. And social media as a news source multiplier is relatively new, solutions will take time.

I disagree, I think Fox news is terribly dishonest but I think the major effect they have had is that they have driven people to question the traditionally left wing media that was simply accepted as obvious truth for decades. If you go back and look at the media reports for much of the 50's 60's and 70's the media pushed a tremendous number of utterly dishonest narratives. Operation mockingbird was phenomenally effective and deep state and the major media have been deeply entwined ever since.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

Idiot Trumpublicans are trying to conflate journalistic human error, followed by public correction (a dynamic that has existed within the free press from the founding of the nation) with the knowing creation and dissemination of false propaganda pieces.

It's all part of the strategy to create a social environment in which it becomes extremely difficult if not impossible for their opponents to disprove objective falsehoods.

Trump has been anti-press since the get. A sign of what a low character human being he is.
That being said, since before the election the media has been nothing but garbage. How many millions of dollars of free marketing did they give Trump? And how much did they condescend against Sanders? Then, since the election, they've been their own worst enemy, or at least a very close second to Trump. The amount of false, or misleading stories have magnified. Corrections don't make up for poor journalism when the accusation is poor journalism.

 

[ObamaPhoneLady]

Chavez was smart to use the massive oil boom of the 2000s and his cuban advisors to tighten the grip of the Venezuelan government and military to a degree that when people realized they were being fucked there was no possible resistance against it.

He sunk the entire country in a decade... Do you think that was his goal? If so, why?

 

[HIMBOB]

You clearly didn't read the links. There was fact checker from a major newspaper who found that the bias against the republicans on the exact same facts were significant. His own editing department found about a 50-50 bias where factcheck found a 75% bias. That is an insane level of bias.

There are several studies that found that they were fairly clearly biased, and in the case of politifact virtually every "factchecker" is linked to a left wing group. If you don't see significant bias in that, I am not sure what to tell you. I guess we will just disagree.

I read the links posted.

Can you point out exactly what you are referring to?

I am interested, but the only piece of writing was by a guy who couldn't grasp that them finding more negative assessments of Republicans does not mean Republicans lie more or that they are biased.
It was all a matter of selection of comments to check, which as he freely said is not random but targeted based on interest levels.

 

[Seano]

I think conservative media has largely driven that bus.

Oh, come on. FOX news is certainly conservative cheer leading but there's plenty of blame for liberal media.

And social media as a news source multiplier is relatively new, solutions will take time.

I don't see how it can be regulated. There's more fake shit on the internet than anywhere else.

 

[lilelvis]

Don’t mind me, just upping my post count.

Carry on, bros.

Started my day off right... thanks.
<Lmaoo>

 

[panamaican]

Oh, come on. FOX news is certainly conservative cheer leading but there's plenty of blame for liberal media.





I don't see how it can be regulated. There's more fake shit on the internet than anywhere else.

I said conservative media, it's far broader than FOX news. I say it on this board all of the time - I use to consume a lot of conservative media. Websites, radio and, to a much lesser extent, Fox news. It used to be generic spin. But about a decade ago, they went away from spin into outright fabrication. The coverage of events and the discussion around those events no longer resembled what was actually happening in the world. Things that they didn't like, they didn't cover. Things that were positives were restated as negatives. Things that couldn't be explained as a negative were assigned conspiracy theory roots.

People talk about FOX News but in the evolution of conservative media into a farc, FOX was actually pretty late to the party. Conservative radio and websites had already gone down that road for years before FOX adopted it. They used to actually be far more honest than the other conservative sources. That's not true anymore but, in fairness to them, they didn't start that shitshow.

It started in the non-tv space (and if we're going to be truly honest, it probably started with Rush Limbaugh's show going into syndication).

 

[Rod1]

He sunk the entire country in a decade... Do you think that was his goal? If so, why?

His goal was to establish communism in Venezuela, he succeeded.