Arabs Showdown: UAE Says Arab World Won't Be Led by Tehran or Ankara

GhostZ06 said:
yes please. Trump cabinet is fucking retarded, how about he actually stop selling to fucking pricks
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The US of A stop selling weapons to terrorists and States that plot our demise ? What a Novel idea !
 
Arkain2K said:
Our on-going "friendships" (and arms dealings) with the Arabs transcend all political partisanship, you should already know that! :cool:



You know what that means: Boeing factories should get ready for Saudi Arabia to tender their upgrades request for their newly-acquired F-15SA fleet!

The Saudis were very close in buying the SE themselves by the way, and I know Congress wouldn't even bat an eye about it, but then they opted for the cheaper non-stealth SA model instead.
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Well played Boeing, well played.
 
Hilarious : Saudi Defense Minister says 'Pakistani are our slaves'

Odds are this is fake news . A respected Pakistani journalist for a mainstream English language Pakistani paper broke the news.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...tanis-are-our-slaves/articleshow/59146021.cms

This context is the Saudi vs. Qatari spat. Pakistan is being asked to take sides by the Saudis. Allegedly the Saudi Defense Minister said in a letter "Pakistani are our slaves".

Critics are saying it is fake news and pointed to an Iranian time zone stamp.

Allegedly the letter from the Saudi goes on about how all South Asian Muslims are 'Hindu-Muslim' and thus converts and thus inferior to Arabs.

https://www.thequint.com/news/2017/06/13/fake-news-saudi-arabia-calls-pakistan-slave-country

http://postcard.news/saudi-defence-minister-insults-pakistan-calls-slave-country/

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Very likely this is trolling by the Iranians BUT the contents of the letter are true nonetheless , because Arabs do view and treat South Asians Muslims as untermenschen .
 
Good that's 12 bill that doesn't go to suicide bombers, also it forces them to actually fight (instead of just finding terrorisrs) if they want to expand terrorism.
 
MicroBrew said:
It's too bad the Trump admin does not follow the Obama admin's thawing of relations with Iran, because the Iranians would love to take the Wahhabis down.
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Yes, but the Iranians won't acknowledge a Jewish state. Kind of a problem for any American administration.
 
U.S. Stands With Qatar's Foes, While Selling F-15s to Qatar
The deal could give the Gulf state the impression that it can defy its neighbors and remain a frenemy of the U.S.
By Eli Lake | June 16, 2017

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You would be forgiven for thinking the U.S. backs Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates in their current standoff against Qatar. President Donald Trump himself has taken the Saudis' line against their fellow Gulf monarchy, tweeting last week that Arab leaders all pointed to Qatar as a serial financier of terrorism.

This was certainly the impression the Emirates' ambassador to Washington, Yousef al-Otaiba, gave to journalists this week. When asked about his meetings at the Pentagon and the State Department, the ambassador said, "I don't think we have a problem with the State Department. I don't think we have a problem with the Pentagon."

Earlier this week, General Joseph Dunford, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said the Saudi-led diplomatic and economic boycott of Qatar would not affect military operations out of Qatar's Al-Udeid airbase.

This is why it's so strange that Defense Secretary James Mattis would sign a $12 billion deal to sell F-15 fighter jets to the Qataris on Wednesday.

To be sure, the deal was in the works well before the current crisis between Qatar and its Gulf neighbors. And the sale is nowhere near as large as recent multi-billion arms packages negotiated between the U.S. and the Saudis or the Emiratis. Nonetheless, the symbolism matters.

At the moment the Saudis and Emiratis are compiling a list of demands for Qatar to meet as a condition for lifting the economic and diplomatic boycott. Otaiba on Tuesday told reporters this list would include things like expelling extremists; shutting down or reining in Qatari media operations that have been hostile to Gulf states; and implementing reforms to how the state tracks and counters terrorist financing. Otaiba expects the list of demands will be presented this week.

In other words, it's the worst possible moment to give the Qataris any reassurances. The kingdom will soon be asked to take dramatic steps to realign its foreign policy and no longer play both sides in the Arab's hot war on radical Islam and cold war against Iran. The F-15 deal could give Qatar the sense that it can defy its Gulf neighbors and still enjoy a good relationship with the U.S., despite Trump's own statements that he backs the Saudi position.

Reuters on Thursday quoted one Qatari official saying, "This is of course proof that U.S. institutions are with us, but we have never doubted that." Qatar's ambassador to the U.S. made sure to tweet out a photo of the signing ceremony yesterday, saying Qatar's purchase would create 60,000 new jobs in the U.S.

The U.S. relationship with Qatar has long been love-hate. The U.S. military relies on Qatar to host the al-Udeid Air Base, and in turn both the Obama and George W. Bush administrations have rarely criticized in public Qatar's hosting of extremists or lax regulations on terror financing. As I wrote this month, the outgoing U.S. ambassador to Qatar briefed participants in a policy conference in Washington on progress Qatar has made in cracking down on terror financing, a view that is not shared by the Treasury Department or experts inside the intelligence community.

At the same time there is at least a chance to pressure the Qataris at this moment to make a course correction. That course correction could emulate the same kind of strategic decisions that the Saudis and Emiratis have made in the last decade with regards to groups like the Muslim Brotherhood, al Qaeda and other adherents to radical Islam. Today, the state at least has played a more active role in rolling up these networks and shutting down their financing than it did in the early 2000s.

Back then, the Saudis hosted telethons to support Hamas, the Muslim Brotherhood chapter that builds tunnels from Gaza into Israel for terror attacks and stockpiles crude rockets to launch into Jewish population centers. Today, the Saudis work closely in the shadows with Israel to fight against Iran and the Islamic State. Such a future is possible with Qatar as well -- with the right mix of sticks and carrots. That's why it's important at the moment for the U.S. to refrain from offering the Qataris any carrots when its neighbors have brandished sticks.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/arti...ith-qatar-s-foes-while-selling-f-15s-to-qatar
 
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nefti said:
Good that's 12 bill that doesn't go to suicide bombers, also it forces them to actually fight (instead of just finding terrorisrs) if they want to expand terrorism.
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They won't fight dude...except if their enemy is a more cherished US ally , in which case the US won't fight for them so they are forced to fight.
 
MicroBrew said:
Can't be much of a problem since : Saudi, Kuwait, Qatar,Oman,UAE,Indonesia,Malaysia, Afghanistan,Pakistan,Bangladesh,Libya,Algeria,Sudan,Tunisia,Morocco,Somalia,Iraq,Syria do not recognize Israel either.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_Israel
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Saying the Saudis and their allies don't recognize Israel is like saying the U.S and their allies don't recognize Taiwan.

Yes, that's what it says on paper, and it must remains so for political reasons, but the reality behind the scene is like the worst-kept secret in the world.

I'd go as far as saying that Saudi Arabia is working more closely with Israel on the mutual anti-Iran front than with most of their GCC vassal states allies.
 
Arkain2K said:
Saying the Saudis and their allies don't recognize Israel is like saying the U.S and their allies don't recognize Taiwan.

Yes, that's what it says on paper, and it must remains so for political reasons, but the reality behind the scene is like the worst-kept secret in the world.

I'd go as far as saying that Saudi Arabia is working more closely with Israel on the mutual anti-Iran front than with most of their GCC vassal states allies.
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Yeah I know but the poster was mentioning not recognizng Israel, so technically Iran isn't alone.

In any case, what does it matter if a nation recognizes Israel or not, why is the US gov. putting Israeli interests above American interests. Israel certainly does not put American interests first.
 
Tropodan said:
Which one of those states gave Israel permission to use their air space to bomb Iran? Take your time....
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Why does that matter, when you only mentioned recognition of Israel.
 
MicroBrew said:
Egypt is in with the Saudis,Bahrainis and Emiratis.

Iran is with the Qataris but keeping their support demure .

Some other small poor Sunni nations have been bought off by the Saudis and Emiratis. Those poor nations who haven't taken sides have been punished by the Saudi-Emirati-Bahraini alliance.

A guy from Somaliland , who had a Somali passport , was at a Quran recitation competition in the UAE and had made it through to the final round when he was kicked out and deported. The reason being that Somalia has not sided with the Saudi-Emirati-Bahraini camp. But Somaliland has sided with them.
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I find this quran recitation fascinating. They have it here in malaysia as well. Probably common to all muslim countries. Its probably like one of those chinese singing contests where they sing english songs without knowing what they sung.
 
Arkain2K said:
Our on-going "friendships" (and arms dealings) with the Arabs transcend all political partisanship, you should already know that! :cool:



You know what that means: Boeing factories should get ready for Saudi Arabia to tender their upgrades request for their newly-acquired F-15SA fleet!

The Saudis were very close in buying the SE themselves by the way, and I know Congress wouldn't even bat an eye about it, but then they opted for the cheaper non-stealth SA model instead.
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Boeing stock has been going nuts.

25% gain YTD.
 
VivaRevolution said:
Boeing stock has been going nuts.

25% gain YTD.
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I have quite a few friends and family members who do engineering work for the aeronautics and defense sector (namely Boeing, Raytheon, Lockheed Martin, and Northrop Grumman).

They say their workload will never ends, as long as either of the two major political parties is in power, and they always get a kick out of the sheeps pointing fingers at whoever is in the White House when the latest arms deals go through.
 
Qatar Says It Will Not Negotiate Unless Neighbors Lift 'Blockade'
By Tom Finn and John Irish | June 19, 2017

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Turkish APC drives at their military base in Doha, Qatar June 18, 2017.​

Qatar will not negotiate with its neighbors to resolve the Gulf dispute unless they first lift the trade and travel boycott they imposed two weeks ago, its foreign minister said, but added Doha still believed a solution was possible.

The United Arab Emirates, which along with Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Bahrain imposed the measures to isolate Qatar, said the sanctions could last for years unless Doha accepted demands that the Arab powers plan to reveal in coming days.

Qatar has denied accusations by its neighbors that it funds terrorism, foments regional instability or has cosied up to their enemy Iran. The dispute has opened a rift among some of the main U.S. allies in the Middle East, with President Donald Trump backing tough measures against Qatar even as his State Department and Defense Department have sought to remain neutral.

On Monday Qatar held war games with Turkish troops, showing off one of its few remaining strong alliances after two weeks of unprecedented isolation.

Foreign Minister Sheikh Mohammed bin Abdulrahman al-Thani said Doha was ready to "engage and address" the concerns of other Gulf Arab states in what he described as a proper dialogue with pre-determined principles, but reiterated that sanctions must be lifted first.

"Until now we didn't see any progress about lifting the blockade, which is the condition for anything to move forward," Sheikh Mohammed said. The countries that imposed the sanctions have denied that they amount to a blockade.

Sheikh Mohammed said he planned to travel to Washington next week to discuss the economic effect of the "blockade" and its effects on the global fight against terrorism.

"We have a very strong partnership with the U.S. We are partners together in the global coalition of countering terrorism. We have been talking to them since the crisis started," he said.

UAE Minister of State for Foreign Affairs Anwar Gargash said earlier on Monday said that those seeking to isolate Qatar had no intention of backing down unless their demands were met.

"Qatar will realize that this is a new state of affairs and isolation can last years," Gargash told reporters in Paris.

"If they want to be isolated because of their perverted view of what their political role is, then let them be isolated. They are still in a phase of denial and anger," he said, adding that a list of grievances for Qatar to address would be completed in the coming days.

Qatar has relished support from Turkey during the dispute. Its state-funded pan-Arab Al Jazeera news channel showed footage of a column of armored personnel carriers flying the Turkish flag inside the Tariq bin Ziyad military base in Doha.

It reported that additional Turkish troops had arrived in Qatar on Sunday for the exercises, although military sources in the region told Reuters the operation actually involved Turkish troops who were already present rather than new arrivals.

The dispute is a major test for the United States, close allies with both sides and which houses the headquarters of its air power in the Middle East at an air base in Qatar.

Washington has sent mixed signals despite Trump's firm personal backing for the sanctions. Trump called Qatar a "funder of terrorism at a very high level," but five days later the Pentagon approved selling Qatar $12 billion of warplanes.

The chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff said on Monday that military operations against Islamic State from Qatar were continuing while acknowledging some friction.

"But what I said last week remains true, in that we have continued to be able to operate, even through that friction," Marine General Joseph Dunford told reporters in Washington.
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"BASELESS PROPAGANDA"

Qatar, the world's richest country per capita, has used its wealth over the past decade to exert influence abroad, backing factions in civil wars and revolts across the Middle East. It has said it is now being punished for straying from its neighbors' backing for authoritarian hereditary and military rulers.

"It is unfortunate that our neighbors have chosen to invest their time and resources in a baseless propaganda campaign," Sheikh Saif Bin Ahmed al-Thani, director of Qatar's Government Communications Office, said in a statement on Monday, calling the terrorism accusations a "publicity stunt."

The Qatar Financial Centre, which administers special rules for foreign-owned companies operating in Qatar, said on Monday it has no plans to take any action against Saudi Arabian, Emirati or Bahraini firms in response to their governments' sanctions against Doha. "It remains business as usual, and we intend to keep it that way," its chief executive Yousef al-Jaida said.

Jaida said Qatar's government was also prepared to support local banks if foreign institutions withdraw deposits from them because of the economic boycott.

Turkey is one of the few powerful countries in the region willing to openly show its support for Qatar. Two days after the sanctions were imposed, its parliament fast-tracked legislation to allow more troops to be deployed to Qatar, where about 90 Turkish soldiers are stationed under a 2014 agreement.

Turkey has said it would deploy 3,000 ground troops at the base, primarily to serve as a venue for joint exercises.

Qatar has only 300,000 citizens enjoying the wealth produced by the world's largest exports of liquefied natural gas. The rest of its 2.7 million people are foreign migrant workers, mostly manual laborers employed on vast construction projects that have crowned the tiny desert peninsula with skyscrapers as well as stadiums for the 2022 soccer world cup.

The sanctions have disrupted its main routes to import goods by land from Saudi Arabia and by sea from big container ships docked in the United Arab Emirates. But it so far has avoided economic collapse by quickly finding alternative routes, and it said its vast financial reserves would meet any challenges.

Qatar has said the sanctions have also brought personal hardship for its citizens who live in neighboring countries or have relatives there. The countries that imposed the sanctions gave Qataris two weeks to leave, which expired on Monday.

Thousands of Qataris have been unable to board flights to the UAE, Saudi Arabia and Bahrain, and cut off from relatives in those countries.

The Qatari government communications director, Sheikh Saif, said Saudi, Emirati, and Bahraini families had been "forcibly recalled" on Monday by their governments despite being invited by Qatar to stay.
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https://www.usnews.com/news/world/a...ps-hold-exercises-in-qatar-in-show-of-support
 
Arkain2K said:
U.S. Stands With Qatar's Foes, While Selling F-15s to Qatar
The deal could give the Gulf state the impression that it can defy its neighbors and remain a frenemy of the U.S.
By Eli Lake | June 16, 2017

800x-1.jpg

You would be forgiven for thinking the U.S. backs Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates in their current standoff against Qatar. President Donald Trump himself has taken the Saudis' line against their fellow Gulf monarchy, tweeting last week that Arab leaders all pointed to Qatar as a serial financier of terrorism.

This was certainly the impression the Emirates' ambassador to Washington, Yousef al-Otaiba, gave to journalists this week. When asked about his meetings at the Pentagon and the State Department, the ambassador said, "I don't think we have a problem with the State Department. I don't think we have a problem with the Pentagon."

Earlier this week, General Joseph Dunford, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said the Saudi-led diplomatic and economic boycott of Qatar would not affect military operations out of Qatar's Al-Udeid airbase.

This is why it's so strange that Defense Secretary James Mattis would sign a $12 billion deal to sell F-15 fighter jets to the Qataris on Wednesday.

To be sure, the deal was in the works well before the current crisis between Qatar and its Gulf neighbors. And the sale is nowhere near as large as recent multi-billion arms packages negotiated between the U.S. and the Saudis or the Emiratis. Nonetheless, the symbolism matters.

At the moment the Saudis and Emiratis are compiling a list of demands for Qatar to meet as a condition for lifting the economic and diplomatic boycott. Otaiba on Tuesday told reporters this list would include things like expelling extremists; shutting down or reining in Qatari media operations that have been hostile to Gulf states; and implementing reforms to how the state tracks and counters terrorist financing. Otaiba expects the list of demands will be presented this week.

In other words, it's the worst possible moment to give the Qataris any reassurances. The kingdom will soon be asked to take dramatic steps to realign its foreign policy and no longer play both sides in the Arab's hot war on radical Islam and cold war against Iran. The F-15 deal could give Qatar the sense that it can defy its Gulf neighbors and still enjoy a good relationship with the U.S., despite Trump's own statements that he backs the Saudi position.

Reuters on Thursday quoted one Qatari official saying, "This is of course proof that U.S. institutions are with us, but we have never doubted that." Qatar's ambassador to the U.S. made sure to tweet out a photo of the signing ceremony yesterday, saying Qatar's purchase would create 60,000 new jobs in the U.S.

The U.S. relationship with Qatar has long been love-hate. The U.S. military relies on Qatar to host the al-Udeid Air Base, and in turn both the Obama and George W. Bush administrations have rarely criticized in public Qatar's hosting of extremists or lax regulations on terror financing. As I wrote this month, the outgoing U.S. ambassador to Qatar briefed participants in a policy conference in Washington on progress Qatar has made in cracking down on terror financing, a view that is not shared by the Treasury Department or experts inside the intelligence community.

At the same time there is at least a chance to pressure the Qataris at this moment to make a course correction. That course correction could emulate the same kind of strategic decisions that the Saudis and Emiratis have made in the last decade with regards to groups like the Muslim Brotherhood, al Qaeda and other adherents to radical Islam. Today, the state at least has played a more active role in rolling up these networks and shutting down their financing than it did in the early 2000s.

Back then, the Saudis hosted telethons to support Hamas, the Muslim Brotherhood chapter that builds tunnels from Gaza into Israel for terror attacks and stockpiles crude rockets to launch into Jewish population centers. Today, the Saudis work closely in the shadows with Israel to fight against Iran and the Islamic State. Such a future is possible with Qatar as well -- with the right mix of sticks and carrots. That's why it's important at the moment for the U.S. to refrain from offering the Qataris any carrots when its neighbors have brandished sticks.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/arti...ith-qatar-s-foes-while-selling-f-15s-to-qatar
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Good article until the end, where it pretends that enemies of Iran, actually fight the enemy of their enemy, in ISIS.
 
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