Arab-Israeli Conflict: Part 1

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“Day of Ottoman Empire Are Over”, Netanyahu Shoots at Fuming Turkish Leader
26 JUL 2017​

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The Israeli government shot back at Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s fiery statements regarding the Temple Mount, telling the Turkish leader that the days of the Ottoman Empire are over.

In a speech to the Turkish parliament Tuesday, Erdogan accused Israel of “using the fight against terrorism as a pretext to take Al-Aqsa mosque from the hands of Muslims.” Israel’s Foreign Ministry called Erdogan’s remarks “absurd, unfounded and distorted.”

“The days of the Ottoman Empire have passed,” the ministry said. “Jerusalem was, is and will always be the capital of the Jewish people. In stark contrast to the past, the government in Jerusalem is committed to security, liberty, freedom of worship and respect for the rights of all minorities. Those who live in glass palaces should be wary of casting stones.”

Erdogan had said, “Everyone who knows Israel is aware that restrictions on Al-Aqsa mosque are not due to safety concerns,” referring to the metal detectors Israel installed, but has since removed, in the wake of the recent Arab terror attack that killed two Israeli Druze policemen near the Temple Mount.

Like the Foreign Ministry, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s office called Erdogan’s civil and human rights record into question, wondering what Erdogan “would say to the residents of northern Cyprus or to the Kurds.” The Turkish leader “is the last one who can preach to Israel,” Netanyahu’s office said.
https://www.breakingisraelnews.com/...etanyahu-shoots-at-fuming-turkish-leader/amp/
 
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Those poor jews, just keep giving and giving .....
 
Israel and Turkey go in for second round of verbal barbs over the Temple Mount
07/26/2017

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The war of words between Turkey and Israel intensified on Wednesday as the Turkish President and Israel's Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MFA) traded barbs over the latter's security policy concerning the Temple Mount/Haram Al Sharif holy site in Jerusalem.

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan on Wednesday welcomed Israel's removal of metal detectors from the highly sensitive site but said it was "not enough" and that Israel desires the destruction of "the Islamic character of Jerusalem."

"Israel took the right step to remove the metal detectors to help lower tension," Erdogan said.

"But is it enough according to our wishes? No, it is not," he said at a meeting on further education in the Islamic world in Ankara.

In a retaliatory verbal strike, the MFA spokesperson's office skewered Turkey's human rights record.

"It's absurd that the Turkish government, which occupies Northern Cyprus, brutally represses the Kurdish minority and jails journalists, lectures Israel, the only true democracy in the region," it said in a statement.

"The days of the Ottoman empire have passed."

Erdogan said Turkey "cannot tolerate" constraints placed on Muslims visiting the site during Friday prayers.

"The Israeli government want to destroy the Islamic character of Jerusalem with a new practice every day," Erdogan said.

It was the second time that the two Middle Eastern powers have sparred over Israeli security measures at the site, which is the third holiest in Islam and the holiest in Judaism.

The first round of tit-for-tat statements from both sides came on Tuesday after Erdogan initially accused Israel of "attempting to take the [Al-Aqsa] mosque from Muslim hands."

The Israeli foreign ministry said in a statement that his comments were "absurd, false and unfounded."

"In stark contrast to the past, the government in Jerusalem is committed to security, liberty, freedom of worship and respect for the rights of all minorities. Those who live in glass palaces should be wary of casting stones."

Turkish foreign ministry spokesman Huseyin Muftuoglu on Wednesday condemned Israel's "arrogant" remarks.

Turkey and Israel, who formerly enjoyed healthy relations, fell out in 2010 over an Israeli military raid on a Gaza-bound flotilla in which nine activists were killed, but in 2016 inked a reconciliation deal that involved Israel paying compensation and exchanging ambassadors.

The Ottoman Empire, led from what is now modern Istanbul, ruled over Jerusalem form the early 1500s to 1917.

https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/inte...al-of-temple-mount-metal-detectors-not-enough
 
They got their shit tossed and live in pretty terrible conditions. I fully admit their living conditions are fucking brutal. But it is their own dann fault. The Isrealis won and the arabs keep coming for blood so Isreal implements harsher security measures. Life gets worse for the arabs and they go for more blood and no one wants to tell the arabs to stop being cunts to see if life will improve. Fuck 'em

Israel puts harsher security measures because it keeps moving civilians into an occupied territory, therefore creating more and more security risks which require more draconian security measures.

If there were no Israeli civilians in those regions it would be easier to organize security.
 
Those poor jews, just keep giving and giving .....

I bet the hardliners in Tel Aviv are throwing up their hands and yell "See?? We TOLD you how the Arabs would respond to our concessions! Give an inch and they will push for a mile!"

And they would be right. Compromise is dead the moment you have both religious AND political leaders openly pushing for escalations.

Just wait til Friday, that's when the real riots begin.
 
After Temple Mount ‘Victory,’ Arabs Set Sights on Western Wall
By Andrew Friedman July 26, 2017

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Palestinians and Arab MKs declared ‘victory’ Tuesday as Israel reversed security measures at the Temple Mount, and said their struggle for control over the compound also extends to the Western Wall.

MK Taleb Abu Arar (Joint List) stressed that “Jews have no rights at al-Aqsa Mosque,” and added that Muslims’ fight against Israel would continue, regardless of the cabinet decision to remove metal detectors from the entrances to the Temple Mount compound.

“This is a proven fact, [even if] some people are trying to re-write history in order to strengthen their mistaken claim to legitimacy over al-Aqsa Mosque, as well as to the occupied al-Buraq Wall (the Western Wall), which Muslims demand to be returned to our sovereignty.”

MK Masud Ganaim (Joint List) said the decision to remove the metal detectors, placed at the site following the murder of two policemen on July 14, was a “victory for the Palestinian public’s struggle and the demonstrations.

“It was a victory for the steadfast religious leadership and a victory for the political leadership in Jerusalem,” Ganaim said.

Ganaim’s declaration of victory closely matched views on the street in Palestinian cities in Judea and Samaria. One resident of a refugee camp south of Jerusalem told Tazpit Press Service (TPS) that Arabic-language traditional and social media were abuzz with the “triumph” over Israel.

“In general, and as I see in the Palestinian news and social media, Palestinians consider it as a triumph,” said the individual, who spoke to TPS on condition of anonymity for fear of reprisals for “collaborating” by speaking to an Israeli media outlet. “The Israeli government changed its mind about the magnetometers and metal detectors after a huge popular pressure represented by the refusal of using them to get into al-Aqsa.”

“People saw the magnetometers as the beginning of Jewish dominance of al-Aqsa,” said a second source, who also spoke on condition of anonymity.



Muslims consider the Western Wall to be the site where Mohammed tied his horse, Buraq, before ascending on his “Night Journey” to the heavens from “the furthest mosque”, which many Muslims identify with the al-Aqsa Mosque on the Temple Mount.

However, Islamic scholars trace the connection to Jerusalem to a politically-motivated Islamic sect which controlled the Islamic world about 50 years after Mohammed’s death. Wanting to offer an alternative location for Hajj, the Islamic pilgrimage, after a rebellion in Mecca, the sect “moved” the original mosque referred to in the Koran, which was located between Mecca and Ta’if in the Arabian peninsula, to Jerusalem.

“They invented thousands of stories about the sanctity of Jerusalem, including the Night Journey of Mohammed, which is mentioned in the Koran, as if it was to Jerusalem, in order to show that Jerusalem is more holy than Mecca,” said Dr. Mordechai Kedar, professor of Islamic studies at Bar Ilan University, calling the Muslim claim to Jerusalem centuries-old “fake news.”

In fact, until recent history, he added, most Muslims did not view Jerusalem as particularly important to Islam. He referred to Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Mohammed Amin al-Husseini in the early 20th century, who published a guide to the Temple Mount stating plainly that the site was the location of Solomon’s Temple.

https://www.breakingisraelnews.com/...-set-sights-western-wall/#D5KDyHoSuEBhY96m.97
 
Jordan's king demands Israel put guard on trial for killing Jordanians
By Suleiman Al-Khalidi | July 27, 2017https://www.reuters.com/journalists/suleiman-al-khalidi

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AMMAN (Reuters) - Jordan's King Abdullah angrily demanded on Thursday that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu put on trial an embassy security guard who shot dead two Jordanians, and said relations between the neighbouring states were at risk.

Netanyahu gave the guard a hero's embrace after Israel brought him home under diplomatic immunity, behaviour that the king said was "provocative on all fronts and enrages us, destabilises security and fuels extremism".

"We demand that the Israeli Prime Minister abides by his commitment and takes all measures to ensure the trial of the killer, and not handle this like a political show to achieve personal political gains," he said.

The guard shot dead Jordanian teenager Mohammad Jawawdah at Israel's embassy in Amman on Sunday as well as the landlord of the house in the compound where the guard lived.

Israel said the guard had been defending himself after Jawawdah attacked him with a screwdriver in a "terrorist attack".

But Jordanian police, who were unable to question the guard, said on Monday that he had fired on the 16-year-old after the young man, who worked for a furniture company and was delivering an order, got into a brawl and attacked him. It was not clear how the landlord came to be shot.

Abdullah, who visited the family of the young teen and paid his condolences on Thursday, said the state would "do everything within its means" to get justice for the two men.

Jordan is one of two Arab states with which Israel has peace treaties, and such an outburst against Israel is rare.

Abdullah also cited a previous incident that outraged Jordanians, in which a Jordanian judge was shot in March 2014 by an Israeli soldier at a border crossing. No investigation was ever conducted.

"The way Israel handles the embassy case and the judge's killing and other cases will have a direct impact on the nature of our relationship," Abdullah said.

Many Jordanians have accused the authorities of abdicating sovereignty by letting the guard leave, and lawmakers walked out of parliament in protest.

Jordan's public prosecutor was quoted on state news agency Petra as saying the Israeli security guard was charged under local penal laws with one count of murder and illegal possession of a firearm.

Diplomatic immunity did not mean the "killer" could not be put on trial in his own country, the Jordanian prosecutor said.

An Israeli judicial source who declined to be named said state prosecutors were giving "preliminary consideration" to an investigation. Asked if this could potentially lead to criminal charges, the source said: "Theoretically, any outcome is certainly possible."

An Israeli government source, who also declined to be named, said Israel was also "giving preliminary consideration to offering compensation to the family of the second Jordanian killed in the incident", meaning the landlord.

In a kingdom where many of its citizens are of Palestinian origin, anti-Israeli sentiment has been fuelled by a public perception created over the years that the authorities do not stand up to Israel over treatment of its citizens.

The outpouring of anger against Israel has also been fuelled in recent weeks by the furor over security devices that Israel installed at the Aqsa Mosque, of which Jordan is custodian. Israel has since removed the devices, including metal detectors and CCTV cameras.

Amman is sensitive to any changes at the site, which Israel captured from Jordan along with other East Jerusalem and West Bank areas in the 1967 war.

Protesters called for a rally on Friday to demand the government close the Israeli Embassy in Amman and scrap the unpopular peace treaty. The embassy has long been a flashpoint of anti-Israel protests at times of turmoil in the Palestinian territories.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-palestinians-idUSKBN1AC0UF
 
Arab cartoons mock Temple Mount capitulation
Media caricatures celebrate Palestinian victory and Israel’s perceived humiliation after new security measures removed from holy site
By Times of Israel staff July 28, 2017,

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Cartoon published in Saudi Arabia's Al Watan newspaper, July 28, 2017.

Arab-language media around the world celebrated the removal of security measures at the Temple Mount, and the return of Muslims to pray there, with cartoons mocking the Israel’s perceived capitulation.

Early on Thursday Israel took down the last of a series of security installations it had erected at entrances to the holy site, known to Muslims as Haram al-Sharif (Noble Sanctuary), following a July 14 terror attack in which assailants used guns smuggled into the compound to kill two policemen guarding near there.

One cartoon published in Saudi Arabia’s Al Watan newspaper depicted the golden Dome of the Rock, which stands on the Temple Mount, with the crescent that caps the dome replaced by a raised hand making a “V for victory” sign.

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Cartoon published in London’s Al Quds Al Arabi newspaper, July 28, 2017.


The London-based al-Quds al-Arabi paper showed a hook-nosed Israeli soldier carrying a metal detector being shooed away from the Temple Mount by an old man with a cane, a young man with a rock, a woman with a broom and a boy with a slingshot.


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Cartoon published in Jordan’s Al-Rad newspaper, July 28, 2017

A cartoon from Jordan’s Al-Rad newspaper depicted a huge, bloodied foot breaking free of its star of David chains and about to crush a screaming Israeli soldier.

On social media, memes were being shared celebrating the fact that Muslims returned to pray at the Temple Mount on Thursday for the first time in 11 days.

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One cartoon showed a man bowing in prayer on the ground near the Al-Aqsa Mosque, and being hugged in return by the flagstones.


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Another meme showed Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas, Saudi Arabia’s King Salman and Jordan’s King Abdullah II, dressed as militants with machine guns, standing next to a silhouetted Dome of the Rock.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/arab-media-mocks-temple-mount-capitulation-in-cartoons/
 
UCI sanctions student Palestinian group for disrupting Israeli event on campus
By Roxana Kopetman | Orange County Register | September 4, 2017



A UC Irvine student Palestinian-support group begins the school year this month with a two-year probation for disrupting an event on campus featuring young veteran Israeli soldiers.

The campus chapter of the Students for Justice in Palestine, SJP, faces disciplinary probation for two academic years. During that time, members must meet with the dean of students 12 times to discuss free speech issues and must also consult with a representative of the dean’s office before hosting or co-hosting any campus event.

This is not the first time SJP has been accused of disrupting an Israeli-related event. The group is appealing the administration’s decision and has filed its own complaint against UCI’s Students Supporting Israel.

Meanwhile, any further violations of the campus code of student conduct could lead UCI to suspend or revoke the student Palestinian organization’s status, university officials said.

“UCI welcomes all opinions and encourages a free exchange of ideas – in fact, we defend free speech as one of our bedrock principles as a public university,” read a statement issued last week.

“Yet, we must protect everyone’s right to express themselves without disruption. This concept is clearly articulated in our policies and campus messaging. We will hold firm in enforcing it.”

Kevin Brum, president of UCI’s Students Supporting Israel, said Monday: “This is not the first time SJP has tried to shut us down or trample our rights. We’re happy the university is taking it more seriously than they have in the past.”

Liz Jackson, staff attorney with Palestine Legal, an organization dedicated to supporting the Palestinian rights movement, said UCI’s decision is “not about the facts or the law. It’s a politically motivated choice to curtail the speech activities of students who stand up for Palestinian rights.”

“It’s clearly UCI that needs the lesson in free speech, not the students,” Jackson said in a statement. Individual students were not sanctioned, she said in an e-mail.

On May 10, the UCI Students Supporting Israel group hosted five former Israeli soldiers to campus. About a dozen people attended the program when about an hour into the event, as a Q&A was underway, a group of more than 30 members and supporters of the SJP group walked in.

At first, they were invited to participate and ask questions, as seen in videos posted online. The Israeli soldiers answered several of the questions about the conflict plaguing the Middle East but emotions soon began to flare. Shouted questions and clapping later dissolved into chants against Israel.

“You’re killing our people,” one woman screamed.

The forum with the soldiers took place the same week the campus Muslim Student Union and other organizations put on the annual “Anti-Zionism Week,” which includes marches with chants like “Long Live the Intifada.”

During the week, organizers erect what they call an “apartheid wall,” symbolic of the one built in Israel after terrorist attacks; it is viewed by Israelis as a security measure and by Palestinians as segregationist. “Anti-Zionism Week” organizers say they see the week as an opportunity to share their views on the conflict in the Middle East.

This year, the young Israeli veterans, part of a group called Reservists on Duty, attended every day to pass out their own literature and share their views on the conflict with passersby.

Palestine Legal has filed a complaint against Students Supporting Israel, saying the former soldiers invited to campus harassed the SJP group and their supporters.

Brum, of the Students Supporting Israel group, said the soldiers did not harass anyone. Instead, they were on hand to answer questions, challenge information written on the so-called “apartheid wall” and counter what he called lies propagated by the student Palestinian group.

“They have this whole week where they put up a wall and have a monopoly on the conversation,” Brum said.

Last year’s “Anti-Zionism Week” included a counter-event featuring a movie about Israeli soldiers. That movie event was disrupted by protesters and it created a firestorm of controversy, with dozens of organizations supporting each side and demanding the university act. Administrators eventually gave the SJP a warning letter, saying the group violated conduct policies.

There have been other conflicts. Most notably, in 2010, 11 Muslim students from UCI and UC Riverside were arrested and charged for conspiring to disrupt a speech by then-Israeli Ambassador Michael Oren. The following year, a jury found 10 of the students guilty and they were sentenced to three years of probation, cut to one year if they served community service.

http://www.ocregister.com/2017/09/0...group-for-disrupting-israeli-event-on-campus/
 
Israel puts harsher security measures because it keeps moving civilians into an occupied territory, therefore creating more and more security risks which require more draconian security measures.

If there were no Israeli civilians in those regions it would be easier to organize security.
Israel should just deport all Arabs from their territory. Then internal security could be kept to minimum.
As for "occupied territory" I'm all for deporting moslems from areas they have stolen over the past 1400 years. I.e. everything but the arabic peninsula.
 
Israel should just deport all Arabs from their territory. Then internal security could be kept to minimum.
As for "occupied territory" I'm all for deporting moslems from areas they have stolen over the past 1400 years. I.e. everything but the arabic peninsula.

Quite the big opinion for a white belt account.
 
You think that in order for it to be ok to have a certain opinion you need to have been a member of sherdog forum for a minimum amount of days?

Yes.

Otherwise it seems to me that im arguing with someone that was already banned.
 
UCI sanctions student Palestinian group for disrupting Israeli event on campus
By Roxana Kopetman | Orange County Register | September 4, 2017



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A few years ago the Muslim Student Union on the campus intentionally went to a lecture to shut it down and did shut it down. They didn't think the speaker should be able to say whatever he wanted on the campus.

The university ended up suspending the MSU for a time period and that was when the SJP was born as a student group on campus.
 
Thousands of Arab-Israelis to have citizenship revoked
Dima Abumaria/The Media Line| 09/02/2017

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Hundreds of Arab-Israeli Bedouins in the southern Negev region have their citizenship purportedly revoked by the Interior Ministry, using a law usually reserved for people convicted of 'terrorist activities.'

The Interior Ministry has purportedly revoked the citizenship of hundreds, if not thousands, of Arab-Israeli Bedouins in the southern Negev region, instead granting them "resident" status.

The ministry’s representatives explained in a parliamentary session that the decision was being taken because in these cases citizenship was granted by mistake or to those that registered "erroneously" between 1948 and 1951.

Aida Touma-Suleiman, an Arab-Israeli legislator, called for an urgent session last year to raise concern over the move, while giving voice to the residents of Naqab, whose statuses were changed without their knowledge.

"I will not relent, either the Ministry stops the new policy and returns citizenship to the Arabs, or I will file a case with the Supreme Court," Touma-Suleiman told The Media Line.

Adalah, a legal center that supports the rights of Israel’s Arab minority, sent a letter to Interior Minister Aryeh Deri and Attorney General Avichai Mandelblit urging them to cancel the new policy and demanding equal status for the Bedouins in question.

According to the group, the citizenship cancellations have been going on at least since 2010.

"Many Arab citizens, who had survived in their land after Nakba (the 'catastrophe' of Israel’s creation), were unable to register for citizenship due to the military rule imposed on them by the government," Touma-Suleiman explained. "In some other cases, people were not aware of the need to register at all."

"What is happening now," she continued, "is that Arabs in the southern area of Israel are applying to the ministry to renew their IDs or passports, and then, they are being informed of the revocation decision."

The stripping of citizenship, in general, is based on Israel’s 2008 "Nationality Law," which gives the courts the right to revoke citizenship in cases where there is a "doubt in loyalty to the State of Israel;" including, for instance, in the event of terrorist attacks.

Touma-Suleiman confirmed that a few individuals from the northern Arab-Israeli town of Umm al-Fahm have lost their citizenship as a result of "terrorist activities," but that this is not a scenario that applies to the Bedouins in the Negev.

In comments on Monday, an Interior Ministry spokesperson claimed that the number of people affected was inflated and that measures were being taken to rectify the situation. "The group of citizens includes about 150 people, and not 2,600," she said. "No one means to harm them. Now the ministry is asking them to legally re-register so they will remain citizens."

Speaking to The Media Line, Israeli parliamentarian for The Joint List, Dov Khenin, nevertheless slammed the Ministry’s actions and said "it has no right to revoke citizenship, which is totally against the law."

"This can only be done in the event of terror acts, and even then this is done through the courts," he concluded.

Overall, there are some 1.7 million Arabs living in Israel, approximately 20% of the total population.

https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-5010825,00.html
 
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^ shit move. The current Israeli govt is shit.
 
But here you are talking about ethnically cleansing people because they converted to Islam.
And with less than 40 posts. Who joins an MMA forum just for the political talk? Took me a while to find my way here as I bet is the case for most on their first account.
 
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