Arab-Israeli Conflict: Angela Merkel condemns burning of Israeli symbols in Berlin | Page 52

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  1. PrinceOfPain Silver Belt

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    You do know that trump is not going to be crashing planes into Jerusalem, right?
     
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  2. Arkain2K Si vis pacem, para bellum

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    The little children got a much-needed spanking to bring them back to reality, that's what's happening.

    If the media stops their ventilating, they would realize it too.

    This opinion piece is exactly what I'm thinking about this new development, and something tells me people wouldn't be dicking around in the next Israel/Palestine Peace Summit with Trump, like they did with Clinton, Bush, and Obama, now that they knows full well Trump is fully capable of doing all the crazy things previous Presidents wouldn't dare to do if they pisses him off with their childish games:

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    Trump Is Right: Jerusalem Is Israel’s Capital — But It Is A Divided One.
    Aaron Bondar | December 6, 2017

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    Jerusalem is the capital of the state of Israel.

    Israelis know this; Palestinians know it. Palestinian Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas and the Arab world know it.

    And yet an illusion is maintained, for the sake of diplomatic correctness, that Jerusalem is not yet the capital of the Jewish state, though it is obvious that it is.

    It is generally acknowledged among the analytic class that to affirm what is obvious would bring great danger to a region which is already in great danger, or would put a stop to a peace process which is not yet in progress. Whatever the reason, the illusion is maintained.

    This is not the only illusion—or delusion, depending on your level of commitment to reality— which shrouds the city of Jerusalem in a mirage. There is also a delusion which exists in the minds of some who support Israel that Jerusalem is not only the capital of Israel—which it surely is— but that it is the “undivided” capital, which it surely is not.

    Every year, on Yom Yerushalayim, the holiday marking the conquest of the Eastern part of the city by Israeli forces in 1967, marchers descend upon the streets of the capital city and celebrate the occasion. Some purposefully march through Arab neighborhoods in ritualistic fashion, as if to convince themselves. Surely, if they say the city is unified, it must be so.

    Thus the illusion is maintained. An Israeli teacher of mine once said that observers of the march mistake the participants’ assertiveness for pride, when it is more like a product of insecurity. After all, in which other unified capital city is it necessary to repeat to oneself, year after year, that it is unified—and under armed guard, no less?

    Jerusalem is not the only object of these convenient illusions and delusions. They are to be found all over the state of Israel and all over the territories. It is not absurd to say that for peace to be possible, these illusions must be dispelled and delusions shattered.

    President Trump has come under much criticism for his recognition of the obvious—that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel. If he had said it was the undivided capital, he would certainly deserve the opprobrium for subscribing to the same delusion to which others have fallen prey even while shattering another.

    But he made explicitly clear in his statement that his recognition of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel should not be received as the United States “taking a position [on] any final status issues—including the specific boundary of Israeli sovereignty in Jerusalem,” insinuating that there may in fact be a boundary which divides Jerusalem from the rest of the territories, and perhaps that boundary runs down the city.

    Most analysts of the region — in rising alarm and panic — have suggested that moving the embassy or recognizing the capital of Israel was a chip to play, an inducement—and Trump just gave it away for free. But they have it wrong. In the context of negotiations, US recognition of Israel’s capital, in any form, is meaningless—either Israel and the Palestinians sign a deal, in which case Jerusalem becomes Israel’s divided capital in a realistic final settlement, or they don’t, and the U.S. recognition changes nothing. No—the real leverage comes with recognition outside the context of negotiations.

    Think; President Trump has just become the first American president since the birth of the state of Israel to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of the Jewish state—a gesture that has become imbued with meaning not because the American president gets to decide where Israel’s capital is but because, as is characteristic of this conflict, many people have invested much in the illusion that he can. For better or worse, Trump’s predecessors’ refusals to do so has made Trump’s recognition meaningful. Can Netanyahu claim, now, that the first American president to recognize Israel’s capital is acting in bad faith? That no longer plays. It cannot.

    As President Trump said in his statement, the record of peace is not good. President Obama, for all his hope, for all his support from journalists and common-sense analysts, left the Palestinians in the worst bargaining position they’ve ever had; not because of his policies regarding negotiations, but because of his general strategy in Middle East.

    After the Iran Deal and the Syrian civil war, the hardening of the Sunni states against Iranian hegemony has left the Palestinians with few allies and a hostile and restless region with bigger fish to fry; a region coming off a civil war which has created a refugee problem that deflection to Israel can’t solve. But it has also created a moment where is of the essence—where the pressure is rising; enough pressure, maybe, to do impossible, wondrous things. Palestinians have earned few victories, and the window of opportunity is quickly becoming a narrow aperture.

    Do I trust President Trump, with the Arab states, to give Palestinians a fair chance at a deal they can live with? Perhaps not—but if we have begun dispensing with our illusions, maybe we can move toward dispelling others; including the illusion that the status quo in the West Bank can continue indefinitely, a delusion which has captured the imaginations of too many.

    I will admit that I do not have confidence in this administration to succeed where others have failed. But the truth is that others have failed. The moment is here, for better or worse, and it is such that there is reason—perhaps irresponsibly— to hope.

    https://forward.com/scribe/389377/t...m-is-israels-capital-but-it-is-a-divided-one/
     
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  3. JDragon War Room Patriot

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    The same is true for all Israeli leaders post-Rabin.
     
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  4. covenant Brown Belt

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    Trump understands puppet master politics.
     
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  5. DamasR Orange Belt

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    now all the tel aviv jews have to drive to jerusalem for their visa needs. inconvenient af
     
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    Oh, no I didn't realize that. Thanks for the heads up.
     
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  7. PrinceOfPain Silver Belt

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    No worries. Easy mistake to make.
     
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  8. Son of Jamin Make MMA Great Again

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    People are going to die for this very brave presidential decision
     
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  10. rearnakedchoke Suck it!

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    I still dont see what is the big deal in all of this. Israel has a right to make any city in its territory its capital.
     
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    Jews have been killed and displaced from Jerusalem for ages so I think they will manage, even though every loss of life is tragic.
     
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  12. Overpressure Titanium Belt

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    Is that supposed to be some kind of defense of this decision? If so, it's a poor one.
     
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  13. Son of Jamin Make MMA Great Again

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    No, not a defense, just that the Jewish people nowadays will not be defeated nor conquered.

    Trump did what Obama thought was right (at least in 2008) and that takes some balls.
     
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    Every political decision regarding the Middle East has the potential to lead to loss of life given the actors involved. If that is the deciding factor in whether a foreign relations decision is made then America truly needs to close up shop around the world and refrain from involving ourselves in the affairs of other nations.

    You either accept that the choices we make with regard to foreign nations and their politics can always potentially led to a loss of lives or you leave the world stage and go huddle within the comfort of your borders.
     
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    This choice didn't have to be made.
     
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  16. Kafir-kun Gold Belt

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    The Palestinians have had bad leaders, no doubt, but that doesn't justify Israel's colonial project in Palestine.
     
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  17. Son of Jamin Make MMA Great Again

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    What would have been the better choice? To tell Jews that Jerusalem is the Jewish capital but not doing anything to ensure it like Obama? Empty words and pandering?
     
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  18. cincymma79 Black Belt

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    Just shows how peaceful the other side is right?
     
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    Not give in to AIPAC lobbying and stay on the fence during the campaign. But these presidential candidates can't resist dat AIPAC cheese.
     
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  20. cincymma79 Black Belt

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    You talking about the people who vote for these people every opportunity they get? That’s pretty popular support they enjoy.
     
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