Discussion in 'UFC Discussion' started by P4PSHERGOAT, Nov 14, 2017.
Hell yeah. The problem is he's at a huge disadvantage fighting at 185 with his size/reach.
When he worked with Dolce he looked the best he has every looked physically and made weight without issue.
He has bigger chances in MW.
Just think about.
In WW he has lost to Magny and a badly injuried Woodley, while in MW he only lost to Weidman after almost knocking him out in the first.
He struggles too much with making 170.
Getting sick before the Woodley fight and even having a fight canceled because of it FFS.
Who at 170lbs do you see beating him if he can make the weight?
Maybe, but if you are continually getting injured during a fight (foot, hand, shoulder) then that is part of who you are as a fighter. Durability is an attribute just like any other.
His foot was broken. He provided X-ray proof, but it's never mentioned. That's why I cannot take Sherdog seriously. Usually, when someone battles through adversity like that to win, they are given respect. I believe you didn't know, but a lot of Sherdog does know. They just omit that part to make Woodley look bad. Childish 'men.' they are.
He'd be a wrecking ball at 170 if he can make it consistently. At 185 he can be champ with the right matchups. Big wrestlers will probably give him problems, but he can TKO anyone. We saw that in R1 in the Weidman fight. I wouldn't be surprised if a Gastelum/ Rockhold fight went like Rockhold/ Bisping 2.
He still won the fight, with a broken foot. SO WHY ARE PEOPLE STILL TALKING SHIT?
but hes most likely gona beat bisping
I don't think people are using that fight to disparage Woodley. The fight was a near toss-up and the point of the thread is how Gastelum would do at WW, so that fight is illuminating.
He has the physical attributes to be the WW champion, however, his love for food is greater than his desire for the title.
Needs to put down the bong and brownies for a while and make WW.
At Waffle House, and KFC and McDees and Burger King, they call him "champ" when he gets to the counter. So yes.
The fact that you need to qualify your question with "if he can make the weight" is why I believe he is most probably a "right time and right fight" type of champ.
It takes too much discipline to walk through a gauntlet of other talented people, unless you are phenomenally talented, I think the probability of an undisciplined fighter becoming a "worth his weight in gold" type of champion is low.
I would say Gastelum is phenomenally talented, or close to it.
If he was, he would have been a champion already. The UFC had plans for him, and he fell short. Guys like Max and Tony were not given the same push. They had to walk through a gauntlet.
Kelvin had a path to a championship fight at 170. He fell short. That is not phenomenal talent. That is just another guy who needs to work in the right direction like everybody else.
You and I have different definitions of talent. Kelvin is phenomenally talented and didn't fulfill his potential at WW due to weight issues. Whether that is discipline or something else I don't know, but it isn't because of lack of talent.
He missed weight by 10 lbs in the Woodley fight and was so far off against Cerrone at 205 that they couldn't even make it a catchweight.
at 170 maybe.
Not at 185lbs unless he gets somewhat lucky break like Bisping did.
Separate names with a comma.