Anyone else find it weird that Michael Jackson was forgiven and rose to martyrdom after he died?

The supposed "child pornography" is not new. It was already deemed not pornography by a court years ago. I have seen the pictures. They are part of an art book. You can Google the pics in question and view it for yourself.

This article has the actual court documents saying so.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...nd-thenor-now-the_us_577fdfbce4b0f06648f4a3f8

"The problem is that the police documents in question and the list of items seized from Neverland are not “new” or “recently unearthed” documents, as some media outlets have mistakenly claimed in an effort to bolster salacious headlines.

These were all items that were entered in court back in 2005 ― items that were well known to both the prosecution and defense and were presented before both Judge Melville and the jury. None of the items seized from Neverland fit the legal definition of child pornography, and in fact many of the items that are currently creating the most media hysteria were not pornographic at all. They were legal art books; a few of them containing some examples of adult erotica, but again, these were not titles that could be in any way deemed as pornographic or even obscene."


I personally do not think Michael Jackson was a pedophile. I think he was taken advantage of for money.

I actually think he was victimized his whole life and was basically stuck in a childlike state and could only relate to children.

His doctor said in court that has was a castrato - His dad had his balls cut when he was young, so that he would retain a child like voice in to adulthood. That's pretty fucked up. He basically never went through puberty.
I think I already mentioned that while the photos in question are not deemed "Child porn" they do show an unnatural interest in young boys. Also two photographs were found that were of boys MJ knew. In regards to the Castrati claim, the Dr. made no such allegation. He said he may have been chemically castrated, not removal of the balls. Also any castration would have shown up on his autopsy/
 
I think I already mentioned that while the photos in question are not deemed "Child porn" they do show an unnatural interest in young boys. Also two photographs were found that were of boys MJ knew. In regards to the Castrati claim, the Dr. made no such allegation. He said he may have been chemically castrated, not removal of the balls. Also any castration would have shown up on his autopsy/

Yes my mistake - chemically castrated - still pretty fucked up.

This is what Conrad Murray said in court.

"He's a heterosexual man, but heinous things happened to Michael in his lifetime that actually changed, or had him morph into who he thought he was."

"His testes were never removed, but injections were given to Michael Jackson to maintain his voice, his high-pitched voice of a child that went long beyond puberty."

He places much of the blame for Jackson's extraordinary, but difficult, life at the feet of his family.
 
Yes my mistake - chemically castrated - still pretty fucked up.

This is what Conrad Murray said in court.

"He's a heterosexual man, but heinous things happened to Michael in his lifetime that actually changed, or had him morph into who he thought he was."

"His testes were never removed, but injections were given to Michael Jackson to maintain his voice, his high-pitched voice of a child that went long beyond puberty."

He places much of the blame for Jackson's extraordinary, but difficult, life at the feet of his family.
If he was chemically castrated, why did he have so much porn?
 
Kenneth Lanning, an FBI expert in the study of the sexual victimization of children, says in relation to pedophiles, “Adult pornography is frequently left out for the children to “discover.” A collection of adult pornography is effective in sexually arousing and lowering the inhibitions of adolescent boys. This is an important reason why preferential child molesters collect adult pornography. Some of them may even attempt to use this collection as proof that they do not have a sexual preference for children.”
He didn't try to use any of that to disprove himself.
And it couldve been anyone that used his computer to look it up regular porn.
But when it comes to the art books, one of his "sexual" books was Madonnas "Sex" book she made in 1992.
He had thousands upons thousands of books in his library. And a few of those were old school art books that had a little nudity in them.
 
Eh, Corey Feldman, Emmanuel Lewis/Webster, and Macauley Culkin all said there was never anything weird happening and that he was more like an older brother that lost his childhood; I believe there's plenty to go on to doubt the accusations, hence why he's not vilified so much. Plus it's enough time from the accusations where people can look on the cases without being caught in the momentary outrage. Sure a death like that can help ease things as well, but if Roman Polanski or Victor Salva died tomorrow their detractors wouldn't just simply change their tune.
 
In 2016 the police released the report of what they had found in a 2003 search of Jackson's residence. There was a ton of books and magazines full of pictures of nude children and teenagers and pornographic material. They also found a bag full of children's underwear and bloodied linens. He was a pedo, 100%. But this got barely any news attention for some reason, and people still hold in their heads the idea of who they thought Michael Jackson was, without the updated information.

Sources or are you just posting bullshit again
 
During the 1993 investigation, Jackson's hired private investigator Anthony Pellicano released a recorded telephone conversation between Chandler and Dave Schwartz, the new husband of his ex-wife, June, and stepfather to Jordan. Jackson's defense cited this tape as proof that Chandler's allegations were nothing but an attempt to extort money from the star and regain custody of Jordan, especially considering Chandler was more than $60,000 behind child support payments and had already approached Jackson several times asking for money. Chandler was recorded saying, "If I go through with this, I win big time. There’s no way that I lose. I’ve checked that out inside out...I will get everything I want, and they will be totally — they will be destroyed forever. They will be destroyed. June is gonna lose Jordy. She will have no right to ever see him again." This phone call took place on July 8; Evan would claim Jordan had confessed the abuse to him on July 16.

so what was said on the tape of importance, did he mention MJ by name? would it be out of the question for a father to find out from his son that something inappropriate happened on the mom's watch and be angry/threatening about it?

Im not defending the guys character at all...I dont know him, know of him or anything like...at first glance he looks like scum....which is pretty much exactly what I would call the kid's mom for promoting all that to go on((against the father's wishes))

also....theres something foul smelling in this whole story, but also in this part "Chandler was more than $60,000 behind child support payments and had already approached Jackson several times asking for money." who would ask their ex wife's new husband several times for money?
My take on this is that Evan Chandler cooked up a plot to become rich and hurt his ex-wife. And it worked for him. He's just a very shady guy and the details, like him talking about the plot 8 days before he even knew what was allegedly going on, and that's just the documented evidence of it (he very well could have been talking about this earlier but not on tape), plus his son being given powerful mind-altering drugs, the type of drugs that Chandler himself was a dealer in.

And as an adult, Jordan Chandler the son, seemed to have a problem with his dad and not M.J. We do know that the dad brutally assaulted the son, the son took out a restraining order against the dad, and now the dad is dead by his own hand, while the son has seemingly disappeared off the face of the earth. I just can't reach a conclusive finding of guilt on Jackson's part when I look at the evidence.

Admittedly, Jackson was my first childhood idol. His was the first record I ever bought (or my parents bought for me). My brother and I listened and sang along to "Beat It" so many times that my mother smashed the record in a fit of rage, LOL. So sure, I would like to believe that Michael is innocent.

However, I also grew up listening to R. Kelly and was a fan of his. I think he may be the best singer of his generation, at least in his genre of music. But I'm also an empiricist and a realist. I'll go where the evidence leads me. The evidence leads me to believe he is guilty. The evidence just isn't conclusively there with M.J.
 
If he was chemically castrated, why did he have so much porn?
Chemical castration is not permanent like actual castration. One is given drugs which inhibit male hormones like testosterone. But if the subject stops taking the hormone blockers, the body will start production of the hormones once again. It's like with male-to-female transgenders. They take male hormone blockers as well as female hormones in order to obtain a feminine appearance. However, they also cycle off these medications from time-to-time so they can sexually function, and then get back on them to still maintain their feminine appearance. It's also similar to athletes who use PED. You actually perform better while cycling off PED, and then you start using again after competition while training for your next competition. You cycle off and pass the tests and still perform at an optimal level, and then start the cycle all over again.
 
Chemical castration is not permanent like actual castration. One is given drugs which inhibit male hormones like testosterone. But if the subject stops taking the hormone blockers, the body will start production of the hormones once again. It's like with male-to-female transgenders. They take male hormone blockers as well as female hormones in order to obtain a feminine appearance. However, they also cycle off these medications from time-to-time so they can sexually function, and then get back on them to still maintain their feminine appearance. It's also similar to athletes who use PED. You actually perform better while cycling off PED, and then you start using again after competition while training for your next competition. You cycle off and pass the tests and still perform at an optimal level, and then start the cycle all over again.
Ok. But their is no evidence MJ was chemically castrated, it is just a Dr's opinion.
 
Chemical castration is not permanent like actual castration. One is given drugs which inhibit male hormones like testosterone. But if the subject stops taking the hormone blockers, the body will start production of the hormones once again. It's like with male-to-female transgenders. They take male hormone blockers as well as female hormones in order to obtain a feminine appearance. However, they also cycle off these medications from time-to-time so they can sexually function, and then get back on them to still maintain their feminine appearance. It's also similar to athletes who use PED. You actually perform better while cycling off PED, and then you start using again after competition while training for your next competition. You cycle off and pass the tests and still perform at an optimal level, and then start the cycle all over again.
Please understand it is the opinion of all involved with the numerous MJ cases that he was sexually attracted to young boys.
 
Ok. But their is no evidence MJ was chemically castrated, it is just a Dr's opinion.
Personally, I don't think he was either. I think he just had an usually high voice for a man. He also was a gifted singer who worked on his range extensively with vocal coaches. Hell, I'm a baritone who's always had a deep voice and I'm untrained (although I'm self-taught and have increased my range and technique this way), but I can sing really high as well. I can sing in the same range as M.J. it just sounds better when he does it and our timbres are different because we have different voice types. I also think M.J. intentionally lightened his speaking voice as an adult. His normal speaking voice was considerably lower. He would use different voices with different people in different situations.
 
Personally, I don't think he was either. I think he just had an usually high voice for a man. He also was a gifted singer who worked on his range extensively with vocal coaches. Hell, I'm a baritone who's always had a deep voice and I'm untrained (although I'm self-taught and have increased my range and technique this way), but I can sing really high as well. I can sing in the same range as M.J. it just sounds better when he does it and our timbres are different because we have different voice types. I also think M.J. intentionally lightened his speaking voice as an adult. His normal speaking voice was considerably lower. He would use different voices with different people in different situations.
Well if you have some music to share I would love to hear. PM me I love to hear new stuff.
 
Please understand it is the opinion of all involved with the numerous MJ cases that he was sexually attracted to young boys.
ALL involved? Seems like a blanket statement and very vague. Define "all involved'. I'd say that was an inaccurate statement if you reversed it as well.
 
Well if you have some music to share I would love to hear. PM me I love to hear new stuff.
Oh, I'm not a great singer by any means. I'm gradually getting better, though. I have some old stuff recorded in low quality that I'd say is above average for a lay person, but still significantly below a pro singer. I feel like I've improved since then, but haven't recorded anything. Maybe I'll record something soon and bump a karaoke thread on here... :)
 
Michael Jackson is a legend, there is no one before or since him that has even been in the same league. He was a musical and dancing genius that did an incredible amount of work for charity and to bring the races together.

He was fucking weird, but that's literally the only evidence of wrongdoing we have.

Why wouldn't people talk well of him?
 
Michael Jackson is a legend, there is no one before or since him that has even been in the same league. He was a musical and dancing genius that did an incredible amount of work for charity and to bring the races together.

He was fucking weird, but that's literally the only evidence of wrongdoing we have.

Why wouldn't people talk well of him?
Name one good Michael Jackson song without having to Google a list of best Michael Jackson songs.

This goes for everyone else complimenting his music in this thread.
 
Why did he bring a 9-12 year-old boy will him on tour? Four years later why was he touring with a different 9-12 year-old boy instead of the now 13-16 year-old from the last tour? He did this throughout his career.

This is what Omer Bhatti, who knew Jackson since he was a boy, said to a magazine when asked about molestation allegations:

“I don’t wish to say too much about it, but I will say Michael in many ways was very innocent. But you can’t expect everybody to have the same view on everything. […] To him certain things were natural and completely innocent,things that not necessarily all people would view the same way.”

Jonathan Spence said this:

“I more often slept in Michael’s bed each time I stayed at the family’s house, but nothing sexual ever happened. This is my private life with Michael and it’s nobody’s business. Why are people worried if I had sex or not? Michael has been a great influence in my life. I now live with my girlfriend and I am very happy. He was a good friend and I will never forget him.”

He says nothing sexual happened, but also says it's his private life what does it matter if he had sex? He was a child, it wouldn't have been having sex, it would have been abuse. He seems confused about the difference. And he makes sure to mention that he has a girlfriend so that no one thinks he's gay.
 
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