Anyone else feel like the tensions between the US and Russia-Iran has risen

[panamaican]

In conventional war terms.neither russia or iran is a rival anymore ..not even in the same weight class
They will bitch and moan and do fookin nuthin!

Theres a great foriegn policy article about how obama being reasonable all the time has allowed these shitstains (il add n korea and china in there too) to feel they can threaten war with every little thing and how the best thing to do now is call that bluff.
Once they back down and stop pretending they will go from 1 to 10 in a heartbeat over issues then theyl be more reasonable (stuff like chinas insane sea claims or kims 'feed us ' demands)

I don't know about that. Obama aside, the only way to call their bluff is to actually do something and the question is whether or not the American people will back us doing something.

The post-Iraqi invasion America has made very clear to its politicians that they don't want more military interventions. So, unless we're going to actually do something...how can we call their bluff?

 

[grimballer]

But they did botch victory repeadely though..the germans came damn close despite some major boneheaded hitler mistakes

If my aunty had a dick she would be my uncle... cool story!

The fact is other world powers in the past tried fucking with Russia n got their shit pushed in. USA would be no different.

Consider yourself lucky neocons like McCain or graham or Clinton are not in charge of the country unless you like living in Stone Age

 

[whougonnacall]

I don't know about that. Obama aside, the only way to call their bluff is to actually do something and the question is whether or not the American people will back us doing something.

The post-Iraqi invasion America has made very clear to its politicians that they don't want more military interventions. So, unless we're going to actually do something...how can we call their bluff?

That assumes boots on the ground are required

 

[panamaican]

That assumes boots on the ground are required

So what then? Sanctions again? Other than boots on the ground, what haven't we already tried?

 

[whougonnacall]

If my aunty had a dick she would be my uncle... cool story!

The fact is other world powers in the past tried fucking with Russia n got their shit pushed in. USA would be no different.

Consider yourself lucky neocons like McCain or graham or Clinton are not in charge of the country unless you like living in Stone Age

And russia has had its shit pushed in too
Bottom line they are a mw ufc 90s era fighter and the u.s is a hw modern ers fighter

 

[whougonnacall]

So what then? Sanctions again? Other than boots on the ground, what haven't we already tried?

Drones , tomahwaks ,air sttikes arming opponents ,harder sanctions, cyberwarfare , offical un actions etc
Theres such a variety of tools available that boots arent required to hurt them

 

[grimballer]

And russia has had its shit pushed in too
Bottom line they are a mw ufc 90s era fighter and the u.s is a hw modern ers fighter

Yeah Russia is like Robbie lawler, while USA is like Anthony Hamilton

 

[panamaican]

Drones , tomahwaks ,air sttikes arming opponents ,harder sanctions, cyberwarfare , offical un actions etc
Theres such a variety of tools available that boots arent required to hurt them

All things Obama already did.

 

[whougonnacall]

Yeah Russia is like Robbie lawler, while USA is like Anthony Hamilton

More like baroni and the u.s jones

 

[whougonnacall]

All things Obama already did.

Vs iran etc ? Nope

 

[Squall Leonhart]

Yeah Russia is like Robbie lawler, while USA is like Anthony Hamilton

Hamilton still wins

 

[Videer]

There is tensions from time to time and everything settles back to normal but something is way different this time.

Israel feels very uneasy with Iran, Hezbollah, Russia and Assad the who is who of Axis evil having adresse right next to them and breathing down their neck. Israel actully carried out a sneaky air attack from Lebanon on Hezbollah Bus close to the Lebanese border yesterday.

The US and Iran have been thrash talking with threats back and forth. Israel is feeling more uneasy now then ever due to Iran mostly and the same goes to Saudi Arabia they feel very unsafe.

Russian-American tension: Russia took it personal when Trump said return back Crimea and east Ukraine. The ceasefire in Ukraine has been violated since.

But what pissed Russia off most is the US and Nato actully sending upto 4000 soldiers into the Baltic countries with a Video campaign saying directly we are ready to fight if the Russian come. Russia saw this as an attack on it's borders and security.

What is next? I predict a surprise battle happening all of sudden and most of us won't even see it coming. Small details can kick it off

Ceasefire in Ukraine has never held and Russia is presenting itself as a meditator and solution to the problem they created. Crying about NATO troops in NATO countries is just that, crying.

you think nuclear powers would directly fight each other without using nukes? what would that be like? a gentleman's agreement?

Yes because no one has really figured out how to wage a nuclear war with even somewhat acceptable results.

They were using modern infantry anti tank weapons. They weren't using IEDs. That's what Guerilla Warfare is.

wat?

Do you mean like having the largest tank army in the world and just rolling out a brand new fleet of modern main battle tanks and fighter jets within the last year? Russia isn't some third world country in the Middle East. It's still Russia.

Well if by "fleet" you mean number of tanks barely reaching double digits then sure.

 

[JonnyRingo84]

Yes because no one has really figured out how to wage a nuclear war with even somewhat acceptable results.

no gentleman's agreements.

nuclear powers have not, and will not directly fight, unless theyre willing to risk nuke war.

 

[Overtures]

I certainly believe there's some hidden aggression by both, partly due to Trump's penchant for uncertainty.

 

[panamaican]

Vs iran etc ? Nope

All things that Obama did in various forms during his term. And he did employ sanctions, UN measures and cyber warfare against Iran, amongst other things.

If you're suggesting that he should have sent military assets into Iran in the form of drones, missiles or arming dissidents and you don't think that would have resulted in responsive actions from Iran then we read these things differently.

It's easy to say that we should call everyone's bluff if your response is going to ignore things that we already did and then advocate things that would have led to the direct loss of U.S. life. That loss of U.S. life would be equally unacceptable to the American people and couldn't be ignored if it happened. Not to mention that if we went into Iran in a military fashion (which includes things like airstrikes) without provocation then we'd be the aggressor from an international standpoint.

 

[whougonnacall]

All things that Obama did in various forms during his term. And he did employ sanctions, UN measures and cyber warfare against Iran, amongst other things.

If you're suggesting that he should have sent military assets into Iran in the form of drones, missiles or arming dissidents and you don't think that would have resulted in responsive actions from Iran then we read these things differently.

It's easy to say that we should call everyone's bluff if your response is going to ignore things that we already did and then advocate things that would have led to the direct loss of U.S. life. That loss of U.S. life would be equally unacceptable to the American people and couldn't be ignored if it happened. Not to mention that if we went into Iran in a military fashion (which includes things like airstrikes) without provocation then we'd be the aggressor from an international standpoint.

Iran or any other area we are involved with (syria ukraine n korea south china sea etc) time and time again instead of calling bluffs we backed away with horrific consequences

Iran has no way to respond without further counter response plus syria has stretched their military to breaking point..they are ripe for a beatdown.

Again not everything requires boots or loss of life (on our side) plus their push for nukes gives us a reason to strike thats internationaly acceptable