Anyone else feel like the tensions between the US and Russia-Iran has risen

[JonnyRingo84]

Do you remember MAD? That didn't go away.

which is my point. name a time when nuclear powers have directly fought each other.

Do you mean like having the largest tank army in the world and just rolling out a brand new fleet of modern main battle tanks and fighter jets within the last year? Russia isn't some third world country in the Middle East. It's still Russia.

hows its airforce and navy looking?

 

[lfd0311]

Some people are such morons, when it comes to the Russia topic, it's mostly democrats, sjw's and Hillary voters.

Under Obama, you had the UTTER FUCKUPS of Syria, Libya, Ukrainian overthrow, Crimean invasion, all of which brought the US and Russia to direct and indirect conflict.

For fucks sake, you had Russian and US destroyers a literal mile apart at some points in the Mediterranean, with Russia's Ministry of Defense telling the US that they would shoot down any missiles fired. This is a direct conflict between two nuclear superpowers. (Many people believe that the missiles fired from the US ship actually were shot down by Russian assets but it was quickly fizzled out in the media with a story about Israeli military tests)

How quickly people forget that Hillary was advocating for a no fly zone over Syria to shoot down any Russian jets bombing her favourite "rebels".

That's the type of shit that leads to WW3.

Ummm.... Uh.... Ummm.. Uh.. Ra.. Rac.. Racist...

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

Russia would never do anything to harm our great relationship. They want our President and our country to prosper.

 

[lfd0311]

which is my point. name a time when nuclear powers have directly fought each other.



hows its airforce and navy looking?

You have such disjointed thinking it's incredible. You can go to war with someone with out having the aim to be the destruction of humanity. People have done it for years.

Their Air Force? What part of "they just rolled out a new fleet of fighter jets" did you miss? They're Navy is irrelevant. If we come into direct conflict with them, it's going to be in a limited roll on the ground, like what almost happened in Syria. We very nearly went to war with Russia in Syria and you ignored that. That was why Putin put troops into Syria in the first place. That was a direct challenge to the West and Liberals the world over ignored it.

 

[grimballer]

To be fair the germans had to make a lot of mistakes to prevent them winning in the east

Yup! Number 1 mistake = going to war with Russia

I guess some ppl have to learn it the hard way

 

[whougonnacall]

You must not pay attention to modern conflicts. The Israelis have Modern American tanks and when they invaded Lebanon 10 years ago they were getting blown up then with outdated Russian technology. What do you think the anti tank missiles and anti tank projectiles the for the RPGs they've developed in the last 10 years specifically designed to target and destroy Western style armor can do?

Guerilla warfare is what you are describing
Conventional warfare the west wrecks russia , in fact in terms of sf commandos etc and uncoventional it wrecks them there too

 

[whougonnacall]

Yup! Number 1 mistake = going to war with Russia
I guess some ppl have to learn it the hard way

But they did botch victory repeadely though..the germans came damn close despite some major boneheaded hitler mistakes

 

[lfd0311]

Guerilla warfare is what you are describing
Conventional warfare the west wrecks russia , in fact in terms of sf commandos etc and uncoventional it wrecks them there too

Nope. I'm not talking about Guerilla warfare. I'm talking about open conflict. You don't fight tanks with shoulder fired weapons as part of guerilla warfare. The 2006 Israeli invasion of Lebanon was a standup fight, not what you're describing.

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

There is tensions from time to time and everything settles back to normal but something is way different this time.

Israel feels very uneasy with Iran, Hezbollah, Russia and Assad the who is who of Axis evil having adresse right next to them and breathing down their neck. Israel actully carried out a sneaky air attack from Lebanon on Hezbollah Bus close to the Lebanese border yesterday.

The US and Iran have been thrash talking with threats back and forth. Israel is feeling more uneasy now then ever due to Iran mostly and the same goes to Saudi Arabia they feel very unsafe.

Russian-American tension: Russia took it personal when Trump said return back Crimea and east Ukraine. The ceasefire in Ukraine has been violated since.

But what pissed Russia off most is the US and Nato actully sending upto 4000 soldiers into the Baltic countries with a Video campaign saying directly we are ready to fight if the Russian come. Russia saw this as an attack on it's borders and security.

What is next? I predict a surprise battle happening all of sudden and most of us won't even see it coming. Small details can kick it off

I don't think so.

It may be re-escalating (due to Israel destabilising the region, afterall being Israel) from a de-escalated situation (the Iran deal), but it can't be worse than in early Ahmadinejad years.

 

[whougonnacall]

Do you mean like having the largest tank army in the world and just rolling out a brand new fleet of modern main battle tanks and fighter jets within the last year? Russia isn't some third world country in the Middle East. It's still Russia.

Tanks arent too relavent in modern warfare and even then ypur point is moot about the rest
They havent the infrastructure to build any more modern jets...even of their new one was a match for the f22 (it isnt) they havent and cant build more than a dozen for show
Their new tank is still behind modern ones in many ways and again wont be standard issuue in the russian military for years ....possibly never given the state of their weapons contractors and general infrastructure

 

[whougonnacall]

Nope. I'm not talking about Guerilla warfare. I'm talking about open conflict. You don't fight tanks with shoulder fired weapons as part of guerilla warfare. The 2006 Israeli invasion of Lebanon was a standup fight, not what you're describing.

Yes you do and it was guerilla warfare
The israelis fought conventional and hezbollah were using pre set tunnels and traps

 

[lfd0311]

Tanks arent too relavent in modern warfare

Literally didn't read past that

 

[lfd0311]

Yes you do and it was guerilla warfare
The israelis fought conventional and hezbollah were using pre set tunnels and traps

They were using modern infantry anti tank weapons. They weren't using IEDs. That's what Guerilla Warfare is.

 

[whougonnacall]

They were using modern infantry anti tank weapons. They weren't using IEDs. That's what Guerilla Warfare is.

Nope lol
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerrilla_warfare

 

[whougonnacall]

Literally didn't read past that

Read as much as u want

 

[lfd0311]

Nope lol
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerrilla_warfare

So is a Marine Infantry Weapons platoon complete with anti tank assaultmen considered to be engaged in "guerrilla warfare"? Nope, they aren't. Again, Hezbollah fighters engaging Israeli tanks in a setpiece battle are not "small, irregular forces made up mainly of civilians". Using an infantry anti tank weapon in a stand up fight is the essence of traditional, modern warfare. What's hard about that?

 

[whougonnacall]

So is a Marine Infantry Weapons platoon complete with anti tank assaultmen considered to be engaged in "guerrilla warfare"? Nope, they aren't. Again, Hezbollah fighters engaging Israeli tanks in a setpiece battle are not "small, irregular forces made up mainly of civilians". Using an infantry anti tank weapon in a stand up fight is the essence of traditional, modern warfare. What's hard about that?

They used guerilla tactics dude not a stand up fight ever or theyd have neen rolled over
And your idea that there must be ieds to equal guerilla warfare is wrong

 

[lfd0311]

They used guerilla tactics dude not a stand up fight ever or theyd have neen rolled over
And your idea that there must be ieds to equal guerilla warfare is wrong

Guerilla Warfare

 

[whougonnacall]

Guerilla Warfare

Awesome movie but what hezbollah did was closer to viet cong tactics than that
Popping outta pr made tunnels to light up tanks , houses full of troops etc with atgms
Move small units around flanks and ambush

Overall you are making my point for me anyway
The israelis were by all after action accounts a poorly led,orgainised and trained force of consripts ...ie most of russias current armed forces
Hezbollah by contrast sent in well armed professionals with excellent weapons and training (more like west than russia there) who used guerilla tactics and local knowleedge to counter israels air and ground firepower advantages.

So overall we can see a well trained ,led and equipped professional force is usualy better than a poorly equipped ,badly orgainised consript force (russia in this case) now throw in weapon superiority ,air superiority ,naval superiority etc into the mix and u have a walkover.

 

[Squall Leonhart]

I was freaking the fuck out back in October when I though Hillary was going to win. I've never felt dread like that in my entire life about an upcoming war.